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John McCain's Civil Union Flip Flop

by: Dean Barker

Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 21:29:12 PM EST


It would be wrong for Granite Staters to think that a McCain nomination would mean a Republican closer to our more old-fashioned social libertarian roots.

I was so busy tracking the Democratic candidates' response to our civil unions law back in April, I forgot to check on the Republicans.  Turned out Mr. McMaverick did some pretty serious twisting in the wind on that one:

In the past, Mr. McCain has been very hard to pin down on civil unions.

But today, he was clear: "I am opposed to that legislation."

While he reiterated his commitment to federalism, Mr. McCain further stated, "If I were a citizen of New Hampshire, I would oppose it. ... Anything that impinges or impacts the sanctity of the marriage between men and women, I'm opposed to it."

(Sorry - I have to pause here to chuckle a bit - It always makes me laugh to hear people who don't know me say that the "sanctity" of my marriage will be compromised by someone else's decisions that don't affect me at all.  That phrase gets tossed around a lot, but examining it closely is just creepy.)

It gets better. From an interview with Stephanopoulos:

   STEPHANOPOULOS: You say you believe that marriage should be reserved for between a man --

   McCAIN: Yes.

   STEPHANOPOULOS: -- and a woman. You voted for an initiative in Arizona that went beyond that and actually denied any government benefits to civil unions or domestic partnerships. Are you against civil unions for gay couples?

   McCAIN: No, I'm not. But the -- that initiative I think was misinterpreted. I think that initiative did allow for people to join in legal agreements such as power of attorney and others. I think there was a -- I think that there was a difference of opinion on the interpretation of that constitutional amendment in Arizona.

   STEPHANOPOULOS: So you're for civil unions?

   McCAIN: No. I am for ability of two -- I do not believe gay marriage should be legal. I do not believe gay marriage should be legal. But I do believe that people ought to be able to enter into contracts, exchange powers of attorney, other ways that people who have relationships can enter into.

I suppose you could analyze all this, but the shorter version seems to come down to: "Please don't make me have to talk about this issue.  Here's a catch phrase or two, and I'll stay ambiguous enough to keep the moderates happy in the primary state and the haters happy in the elsewhere. Can we move on to bombing Iran now?

Note: title re-written because I find the changing definitions of "Federalism" at different points of US history confusing.

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Here's where the whole argument breaks down. (0.00 / 0)
Having gay marriage isn't going to affect the sanctity of anybody's heterosexual marriage, but preventing gay marriage affects the sanctity of everybody's liberty, and that is where we must draw the line...on absolutely everything.

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Twitter: @DougLindner


Gay marriage does too affect the sanctity of heterosexual marriage. (4.00 / 2)
Ever since ultra-liberal Howard Dean forced civil unions onto the socialists in Vermont, wholesome and traditional heterosexual marriages have been so thoroughly undermined by the public discussion of gay marriage that hardly a week goes by without a formerly upstanding and proudly heterosexual married Republican political figure being apprehended in sordid furtive homosexual behavior.

How can you possibly say this isn't all the Democrats' fault?


[ Parent ]
All the Federales say (4.00 / 1)
they could've had him any day
They only let him slip away,
Out of kindness I suppose

- Townes van Zandt


Emmylou Harris: Steve Earle: Willie Nelson: Townes Van Zandt (4.00 / 1)
From ACL Townes Van Zandt Tribute show

Willie 4:33

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. ~ Mark Twain


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His Shoes Flippith Over (4.00 / 1)
My my, his shoes are flipping over one another -- his left shoe is tripping up his right one, or visa versa.

Kind of sad, really.  After all this time, he really doesn't know what he believes, what he should believe, what others want him to believe, or how he should say whatever he believes.  So much for the "'Straight' Talk Express."

Democrats, actually, were much in that spot about a decade ago (remember before Vermont?) but fortunately came over to their good side quickly.  Republicans, statewide and nationally, are still letting their dark side prevail.

But as Luke Skywalker said long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, The Force is with us.  As people see that Civil Unions for gays and lesbians is a good thing, we'll soon have full marriage equality with the word "marriage," and John McCain will enter full retirement.  Hopefully all in a year not very far, far away.

[I'm a former has-been House member and State Senator, but I keep "Rep." on my ID name for easy reference of previous posts.]


McCain's brain is muddled on a lot of things. (0.00 / 0)
However, the reason Republicans are so keen to give or withhold directions about how other people are to behave is because they are convinced that's how society works--that people do what they are told to do.

They have to believe that because therein lies their ability to shirk responsibility for the consequences of their own behavior and the possibility that they might be wrong.  What they want more than anything else is to be right. Following orders guarantees that they are.

I expect that after having lived a life-time of following orders, convinced that one's been doing right, it's probably impossible to start facing up to the fact that what one has done was wrong.

McCain can gleefully contemplate dropping bombs on Iran because he's never confronted the fact that attacking Vietnam was wrong.

McCain is committed to a hierarchical society.  Such a society is attractive because, in exchange for giving up one's individual liberty, responsibility for one's actions is shifted to someone higher up--the practical result of which is that nobody's actually responsible for anything at all.  In the end, the only criterion that's left to determine what's right and wrong is intent.  It's the intent of an order that's important; not the effect of any action that follows.

The problem with civil unions is that they violate the supposedly natural hierarchical arrangement of human society.  Not only are they basically egalitarian, but, even when the participants subordinate one to the other, that is a matter of choice, not something that's determined by nature.  And, as soon as choice is re-introduced into the system of social organization, responsibility rears its ugly head.

The "sanctity" ascribed to a traditional hierarchical union between a man and a woman isn't associated with the essence of the relationship--i.e. that it's good and virtuous--but with its ostensible origin in the intent of a superior being.

What we've got is

CHOICE = RESPONSIBILITY vs. OBEDIENCE = RIGHT

P.S.  Sorry for being tedious, but I think the reduction of good and bad to a matter of intent is what's making killing all those Iraqis possible.



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