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The Extra Marriage Equality Language

by: elwood

Fri May 15, 2009 at 22:27:16 PM EDT


(There may be some confusion about this. - promoted by elwood)

I've included it below the fold, taken from the Governor's press release.

I'm not a lawyer or law writer, and some of the lawyers and legislators here may elucidate further. The language explicitly guarantees that some people, in some situations, will not be legally required to 'participate in' a same sex marriage ceremony. But that exception appears to be narrowly constructed.

As I understand it:

  1. The exception is aimed at employing organizations, not individuals. It is NOT like those laws that excuse a pharmacist from providing birth control because of individual beliefs. Here the exception is for employees of a church or other organization, in the course of their work for that group. Very specifically: this language does not allow a justice of the peace or manager of a Holiday Inn to refuse service to a gay couple's wedding because of their church's teachings.
  2. The exception is limited to wedding-related functions - it does not extend to the ongoing marriage. It can't be used to enable an organization to deny spousal rights well after the wedding ceremony. In particular, it does not enable a church-managed public hospital to deny spousal visitation and consent rights (not that I believe any of ours would do that anyhow).
  3. It does seem to enable a church and its related organizations to refuse to participate in same-sex weddings - the ceremony itself or ancillary celebrations and functions (such as the rehearsal dinner, I suppose). I don't know to what extent that is different than current practice or law.

That last point is worth considering and exploring. Maybe it should be tweaked; maybe not. But I started out concerned that there was a much broader exception in this language.

I don't believe there is. This is a narrowly written exception.

elwood :: The Extra Marriage Equality Language
I. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a religious organization, association, or society, or any individual who is managed, directed, or supervised by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society, or any nonprofit institution or organization operated, supervised or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society, shall not be required to provide services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods or privileges to an individual if such request for such services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods or privileges is related to the solemnization of a marriage, the celebration of a marriage, or the promotion of marriage through religious counseling, programs, courses, retreats, or housing designated for married individuals, and such solemnization, celebration, or promotion of marriage is in violation of their religious beliefs and faith. Any refusal to provide services, accommodations, advantages, facilities, goods or privileges in accordance with this section shall not create any civil claim or cause of action or result in any state action to penalize or withhold benefits from such religious organization, association or society, or any individual who is managed, directed, or supervised by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society, or any nonprofit institution or organization operated, supervised or controlled by or in conjunction with a religious organization, association or society.

II. The marriage laws of this state shall not be construed to affect the ability of a fraternal benefit society to determine the admission of members pursuant to RSA 418:5, and shall not require a fraternal benefit society that has been established and is operating for charitable and educational purposes and which is operated, supervised or controlled by or in connection with a religious organization to provide insurance benefits to any person if to do so would violate the fraternal benefit society's free exercise of religion as guaranteed by the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States and part 1, article 5 of the Constitution of New Hampshire

III. Nothing in this chapter shall be deemed or construed to limit the protections and exemptions provided to religious organizations under RSA ยง 354-A:18.

IV. Repeal. RSA 457-A, relative to civil unions, is repealed effective January 1, 2011, except that no new civil unions shall be established after January 1, 2010.

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It's entirely possible that you all (4.00 / 1)
had figured this out yesterday. Perhaps I am stating the obvious.

Carry on.


I'm glad you posted this. (0.00 / 0)
The Bush Admin's so-called "right of conscience" rule that allows healthcare employees who oppose abortion, birth control (or, you know, anything else) to refuse to take part in any procedure they choose is EXACTLY what came to my mind in reading about the proposed changes.

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cont. (0.00 / 0)
It will hopefully start a discussion as to why people don't like the added language, which apparently some don't judging by other comment threads on here.

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That 'promotion of marriage' language (0.00 / 0)
does go beyond the wedding ceremony itself but is still narrowly constrained, as I read it.

It would allow a church to hold a weekend retreat on "Staying Together: Dealing With the Stresses of a Modern Marriage" and restrict it to different-sex couples.

But it would not allow a church organization (the Hanover Inn is owned by Dartmouth - imagine if it were instead owned by a church) to refuse to serve gay couples outside such a special event.

At least that seems clear to me. If the language needs tweaking anywhere, that's probably the place.


Elwood, just to clarify ...... (0.00 / 0)
It would allow a church to ..... restrict it to different-sex couples.

 Weren't you trying to say .... opposite marriage?

 "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."


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Well, as long as you're satisfied. ;P (0.00 / 0)
I won't be until a trusted lawmaker is willing to answer these concerns directly.  Until then, in my view, they're crossing their fingers behind their back that this amendment doesn't result in actual harm.  This is a problem when you've worked long and hard on a bill that is very important to you and, honestly, the country: you'll overlook red flags because you can almost taste victory (albeit a dubious one) and you are so tired.

Can you imagine the uproar if the republicans were promoting legislation with the tag line "we'll let the courts sort it out this vaguely-worded bill, no worries!"?  How embarrassing that that is what we're saying here.


Fine tooth comb (4.00 / 3)
I've been going over this language with a fine tooth comb, and have no issues with it.  Do I wish that all religions respected marriage equality? Sure, but they don't - and not just same gender marriages. Some don't recognize interfaith marriages, either. Some religious organizations treat women very differently. I don't get it, but it would fly in the face of religious tolerance and freedom if we forced all faiths to have female clergy. Shoot, the Catholic church discriminates against everyone but single men.

Nor do I see it as vaguely worded. Some people have latched onto the word "promote" - but they need to read the whole sentence, which is promote through religious counseling, progams, courses, retreats or housing designated for married individuals.    That does not mean you can't visit a same gender spouse in the hospital; trying to read that into the language is beyond a stretch.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


I perhaps have a reputation as being more willing (0.00 / 0)
some might say eager to take potshots at the Governor than you.

I have also looked through the language carefully. I agree - if this is a hole you couldn't drive a Segway through it.


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Personally, I'm fine with this language (4.00 / 2)
Most of what it does is protected under the first amendment anyway.  The only real change would be the part about insurance in fraternal organizations, but seriously, how many "out" gays and lesbians are going to be working for the Knights of Columbus?????

If religious organizations and churches want to discriminate against certain minorities (gays being only one), I'm OK with that.  There is a line that sometimes gets crossed when such organizations receive special tax treatments, but by and large I think that they need to have a "space" where they can live by their moral code and we need to have a "space" where we can live by our moral code.  This language does that.


And even there (0.00 / 0)
it simply reiterates state and federal the constitutions:
shall not require... if to do so would violate... the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States and part 1, article 5 of the Constitution of New Hampshire



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