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The Union Leader is Right. No, Seriously.

by: Douglas E. Lindner

Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 11:35:47 AM EDT


(Undecided on this one, but love the discussion.  Part put below the fold. - promoted by Dean Barker)

Taking out all the partisan blather from this UL editorial leaves a very good point, and so little text as to be of fair use:

The city charter forbids the inclusion of partisan labels on election ballots. Specifically, the charter states: "The mayor, aldermen, school committee members, commissioner of welfare, ward clerks, selectmen and moderators shall be elected by nonpartisan ballot."

Tuesday's primary elections demonstrated the fallacy inherent in the proposition that a nonpartisan ballot creates a nonpartisan election.

Douglas E. Lindner :: The Union Leader is Right. No, Seriously.
Then the bulk of the article is dedicated to waxing poetic about how their favorite Democrats are the ones who are excluded from the General Election ballot.  With a great deal of respect for Bobby Stephen, Richard Komi, and fellow hamster Peter Sullivan, let's skip that part.

Gatsas advocates opening the city charter for revision. If he succeeds, the first thing that must be changed is Article 5.01, the prohibition of partisan ballots. The city's elections are partisan. That fact should be reflected on the ballot. The absurd prohibition of party labels serves only to deny information (party labels) to average voters who are not party activists.

I agree.  The elections are partisan, they just don't offer voters the convenience of seeing it on the ballot.

Furthermore, jungle primaries involve anti-democratic math.  This oversimplified example demonstrates a very real problem: say in Fakecity, NH, 60% of voters always vote for the Yellow Party and the other 40% of voters always vote for the Purple Party.  Every voter would rather any candidate of their party to win than any candidate of the other party.  Now let's say there are four candidates of the Yellow Party running for Mayor of Fakecity, and two candidates of the Purple Party.  Say the vote within each party in the jungle primary is equally split.  Each Yellow Party candidate gets 15% of the vote, while each Purple Party candidate gets 20% of the vote.  In this scenario, only the two Purple Party candidates advance to the General Election, even though a solid majority would rather have any of the four Yellow Party candidates.

Obviously, in the real world it's more complicated and there are independent voters, but the fact is that the sheer breakdown and number of candidates in a Jungle Primary can skew the results and ensure that the end result is not what the majority of voters want.

Non-partisan municipal elections and non-partisan jungle primaries sound good in theory, but in practice, both are bad for Manchester, and should end.

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Disagree. (4.00 / 1)
The UL is upside down and backwards.

It was the GOP field that got cleared for Gatsas. Manchester Democrats had three great choices.

The non-partisan ballot works.

In its very first year, Bob Baines never would have been able to serve as mayor. Donna had the vast majority of Democrats, Wiz the Republicans. Baines attracted a small fraction of each plus a large number of independents. I would like the think that Donna would have beat Wiz but we will never know. We do know that Baines was able to attract enough to rid the city of Wiz - and that was a darn good thing.

Each election since there have always been more than one Democrat in the primary - I think that is healthy.

The UL is trying to rile up the voters with faux claims and accusations in order to elect Teddy and his team that has been rejected for the past four elections.

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.


Whatever the UL's motivation is, (0.00 / 0)
I was inclined to post this a few days ago and just hadn't gotten around to it until I saw the editorial.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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I don't think you want this (0.00 / 0)
Although you may have local officially who are inclined to Republicanism, once they raise the banner of the GOP, they will feel the yoke of the national party.

In short, it would discourage their better instincts.


I tend to agree, Doug - (0.00 / 0)
The whole "non-partisan election" thing seems to be based on a gut feeling that parties are "icky." I don't think they are.

If you believe in the values of the Democratic or Republican Party, shouldn't you want to advertise that?

And local elections do tend to involve the sort of fundamental issues, or at least perspectives, that separate the parties. Public trash collection vs. private. Investment in public infrastructure vs. "the money does more good in the taxpayer's pocket."

With that said, I really dislike the idea of partisan school board elections. I'm not sure that's really consistent.


I'd be for a non-partisan election if it were truly non-partisan. (0.00 / 0)
It isn't, so I'm not.  As long as the elections are partisan, the ballots should offer voters the convenience of knowing what party people are in.  How easy is it for non-political junkies to keep up with races for ward clerk anyway?

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Manchester party labels (4.00 / 1)
You can't predict voting patterns based on party affiliation  in Manchester. Putting "R" or "D" next to names would be false advertising in some cases.    

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

No, you can't predict the voters all the time. (0.00 / 0)
But putting "non-partisan" on a Manchester municipal ballot is false advertising most of the time.

As for my hypothetical about the Yellow Party and the Purple Party of Fakecity, the fact that real voters are less predictable doesn't negate the potential for disenfranchisement-by-math that I've described.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Maybe longer labels ? (4.00 / 3)
New! Improved!! Republican!

Now With Tax Caps®!


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Case in point: Paul Martineau (0.00 / 0)
Martineau is a registered Democrat and runs with the support of the city Democratic committee, yet he is a Republican in all but name. He is hosting a fundraiser for Ovide Lamontagne, and refused to help the Obama/Biden ticket last fall.  

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. -Harry Truman

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Once again I agree with Kathy and Raymond (4.00 / 1)
I recently moved into Manchester. While I was familiar with the names, I did not know their positions. Party affiliation meant nothing to me - it was their positions that decided my votes.

Many of the school board candidates were Independents - would they win their elections if it was a two party race?

The UL editorial refers to party endorsements - I was not aware of any endorsements from the Manchester Democratic Committee.

What is really a much more serious issue is the $10,000 contributions that Gatsas received, mostly from out of town residents. This should not be allowed. $10K goes a long way in a mayoral race - what are these donations buying?


How about (0.00 / 0)
proportional voting?  That way there are no party labels, but if all the people in the yellow party divide their votes, but still indicate that the other yellow party candidates are preferable runners-up, you still get a yellow party candidate.  If we're talking about more than the individual mayoral race, but the entire Board of Aldermen, then you also guarantee representation for the minority purple party, too.

Problem (0.00 / 0)
Your system requires all at large aldermen, which is a problem in a city where turnout in four wards is so much heavier that people from the less affluent areas would have no representation. We currently have two at large, 12 ward aldermen. I could see adjusting that to perhaps five at large, and reduce the wards to nine, but without ward representation the more affluent areas would dominate even more than they do now.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Well, well, well... (4.00 / 1)
So on Thursday the Union Leader calls the city elections hyper partisan wrongly charging Democrats as enforcing strict party discipline...

And on Friday Gatsas touts the endorsement of a a former Democratic elected official.

Thursday's editorial was clearly written to make Friday's announcement sound spectacular.

So there ya go.

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.


What was that? (4.00 / 6)
That endorsement was the most illogically explained thing ever. Cashin says he doesn't like the direction the city has taken over the last few years - which has been steered by Gatsas with his budgets. It made no sense.

I looked at it as an old Manchester v. new Manchester thing - and with all due respect to Bill Cashin, he is very much old Manchester, just as Gatsas is very much old Manchester. We really need some forward thinking.

For those of you not from Manchester, the term "old Manchester" does not refer to age; it refers to a way of thinking that still thinks of Manchester as a 1950's mill town - except that back then, at least people were talking about education in terms of building new schools, not decimating the ones we have . We need to build on the colleges that are located here, on high tech, on the professionals who work here, on the medical campuses that are growing. We are the state's largest city, with incredible natural resources like the Merrimack River and Lake Massabesic; we have the most diverse population, a great history, the best restaurants, a flourishing arts community - but our city's leadership too often looks backward and not toward the future.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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Ya, what Kathy said. n/t (0.00 / 0)


Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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You hit the nail (4.00 / 1)
on the head. As a Manchester "tourist" from time to time, I always get the feeling: "This place has so much potential". I like having the airport there as well. It is so much more pleasant than having to go to Logan.

Manchester could definitely make better use of its assets, attract young workers, families and entrepreneurs but it does need to move forward, and not with its head facing the other way.


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Exactly (0.00 / 0)
There is no other place like Manchester.  It's not hard to find mentions of Manchester in architecture and urban planning books--the design of the city was once called the most cohesive in America by Time magazine.  Just the built environment, the millyard, the old rowhouses, the network of neighborhoods that seem to have been forgotten, make the city very special and house unbelievable untapped potential.  It's a shame when you go to a city like Portsmouth and see all the life and dynamism of a much smaller (though much different) city, and think of Manchester, with all its students and cultural institutions lacking anything close to that spirit.  My sense is that the city was moving in a direction towards more liveliness, cultural significance, neighborhood redevelopment and infrastructural reinvestment under Baines, but came to a crashing halt under Guinta.  It definitely seems like it is going to take some new thinking, and a view toward the future, to realize that potential.

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It wasn't so different a few years ago... (0.00 / 0)
Portsmouth's gentrification has happended since the 1970s.

My Dad's best friend lived in Portsmouth (welder at the shipyard)and the two families spent loads of time together in the 1960s. Portsmouth was a scrappy workingclass town filled with folks from both the shipyard and Pease Air Force Base. My memories of downtown Portsmouth are largely the same as Laconia, Franklin, Claremont etc... A little kid going to Manchester was as exciting as going to Boston! It was the big city!

Baines was transforming our city but got caught off guard in '05 and the city has been going down hill ever since...and I firmly believe Teddy will excelerate the slide.  

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.


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The U-L has an Agenda? And a Suggestion (4.00 / 2)
I'm shocked, shocked the Union-Leader has come to the aid of the Gatsas campaign! I'd call the fondness of our statewide paper for one mayoral candidate a "conspiracy," but can anything really be a conspiracy if everyone knows about it?

But about nonpartisan elections: Do the local parties have to be national?

Back in the 1960s, folks concerned about growth and sprawl issues in Northern Virginia formed a group called Arlingtonians for a Better County and ran ABC slates for county offices, complete with fund raising, lawn signs, voter lists and phone banks. The group, as I recall, consisted of Democrats, Republicans and independents who disagreed on national issues but made a common front on local matters. (There's a PAC in Virginia using the same name today; I don't know if it's related to the original group.)

One of the advantages of partisan elections is concerned voters get a hint: I may not know much about this school committee candidate, but she's on the same side as the city council candidate I like, so she's probably okay.


This I can get behind (0.00 / 0)
Local parties sound fun.

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You see a similar system in New Orleans (0.00 / 0)
While the city is overwhelmingly Democratic, there are dozens of "alphabet soup" organizations, such as SOUL, BOLD, COUP, the Progressive Democrats (Bill Jefferson's machine, not the PDA). They are especially common in the African-American community, but there are groups that are multiracial (Alliance for Good Government) or oriented towards white conservatives (Regular Democratic Organization, aka Choctaw Club).

These groups are tied to various politicians and factions, sometimes with some cultural or ethnic overtone.  

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. -Harry Truman


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