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Ann McLane Kuster on Afghanistan

by: Colin Van Ostern

Mon Oct 19, 2009 at 13:48:43 PM EDT


(I'm not promoting this as an endorsement of Ann or the foreign policy, but because it's nice to see the CD2 campaigns begin to pivot into the meat and potatoes of issues.  Let the debate begin! - promoted by Dean Barker)

Ann just sent out a note to her email list about her thoughts on our continued military role in Afghanistan, and I wanted to share it with y'all here as well:

"Like many Americans, I am deeply troubled by the situation in Afghanistan, particularly because we have courageous American soldiers putting their lives on the line every day. General McChrystal has given the President a bleak assessment that should give us all pause. No matter how many troops the US sends to that country we cannot protect a regime seen as corrupt and illegitimate by its own citizens. Unfortunately there is little doubt about the level of corruption and international monitors are convinced fraud permeated the recent election.
Colin Van Ostern :: Ann McLane Kuster on Afghanistan
It does us no good to look back on the eight years our troops have bravely fought in Afghanistan and wonder what could have been if we hadn't made the deeply flawed decision to divert our focus and resources to the war in Iraq, which I opposed. We must make sure, however, that the same mistaken mindset and flawed reasoning that trapped us in Iraq does not control our future in Afghanistan.

We must ask the tough questions we should have done a better job asking about Iraq: What is our goal and how do we know when we've achieved it? Is it possible to achieve that goal with the current Afghan government and its policies? What is our exit strategy? What are the risks and costs of our future involvement? And finally - is the international community committed to supporting the strategy and sharing its costs?

In my view we should not consider sending additional combat troops to Afghanistan unless the Afghan government meets three conditions:

  • They must agree to a sustained crack down on corruption at every level of their government.
  • They must create a political reconciliation involving President Karzai and his chief opponents that results in a real sense of legitimacy for the Afghan government.
  • They must substantially increase the size of their own military and police force.

Even if those conditions are met, however, we must ask ourselves one additional and essential question before putting more troops in harm's way or spending hundreds of billions of additional dollars. The question is simple, though the answer is not obvious--is this war vital to preventing future attacks against the United States and its allies?

Only those with direct access to intelligence information can make this judgment with any certainty, but I have grave doubts. The cancer of Al Qaeda seems to have spread to Pakistan and beyond. A wider war in Afghanistan will have little impact on the Al Qaeda leadership outside that country's borders. Moreover our recent successes against Al Qaeda have come not in large scale military engagements in Afghanistan but through pinpoint attacks.

In short, the US should not commit more troops to Afghanistan unless that country commits itself to the reforms that are a prerequisite to success, as well as to building its own self defense forces; until we have a real plan for what it will cost and how it will end; and until we are convinced that defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan is necessary to prevent Al Qaeda from striking America."

Thanks,
Colin

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(I work for Ann McLane Kuster for Congress)

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From someone who's been there (0.00 / 0)
I like Annie's take, just fine.

Here are some other things to consider:

The Questions All Americans Should Ask on Afghanistan

by: Jon Soltz
Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 12:16:16 PM EDT

1) What is the military objective in Afghanistan?
2) How has the Taliban and al Qaeda evolved since 9/11?
3) Is training the Afghan Army the most important part of any plan?  
4) Is there enough support in the US to sustain a counter-insurgency strategy?
5) What to do about poppies?  
6) How popular are NATO Forces in Afghanistan?
7) How popular are the Taliban?
8) Is this still the central front on the war on terror?




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Good list (0.00 / 0)
I often wonder with the heroin problem if there's some way to fix it by buying the poppies ourselves.  I assume that the current market price is much lower than the street price of heroin in the U. S. so I wonder how much it would cost if we tried to buy up the whole crop ourselves, or otherwise could work out some monetary incentive to provide farmers with a viable alternative to growing and selling the poppies into the illegal drug trade.  A carrot to go along with the stick of normal drug prevention efforts, if you will, and maybe something that could help with the popular opinion of NATO forces the way handing out cash in Iraq helped.

[ Parent ]
Kuster Has Made Decent Try At Addressing The Afghanistan Dilemma... (0.00 / 0)
...but I think Jon Soltz' list contained in Jack Mitchell's comment offers more critical thinking, and THOSE are questions that need to be analyzed.  

The problem with Ann McCane Kuster's list is that lip service can be offered by the Afghanistan "officials" to each of those questions, which then gets us to commit more troops and resources and we get deeper and deeper.  Vietnam is a lesson in this -- THAT government promised an end to corruption, and we agreed to train more of their soldiers.  THAT government promised an end to the drug trade, but we know what happened.  

We have to make our decision about what to do in Afghanistan with our interests in mind, and in my judgement our interests are best served by militarily getting out of there quick, and focusing on social, educational, and business development where welcomed -- there and elsewhere.  

Two books our leaders should read, and I make no joke about it:  How To Win Friends And Influence People, and The Pentagon Papers. The former will remind our leaders that you won't make friends by killing or threatening them.  The latter will remind our leaders that we've been there, done that.  Sending our troops into harm's way to "show" that we can live up to a commitment is no way to defend our nation.  We just fill more body bags.  


Protecting Aid (4.00 / 3)
You said,
focusing on social, educational, and business development where welcomed -- there and elsewhere.
 

I think we are way passed Three Cups of Tea in that region. I'm not sure how you propose to secure aid workers doing the things that need to be done.

One suggestion on tone. As a veteran that promotes progressive values to "persuadable" veterans. I can tell you for sure that you are treading on thin ice with your rhetoric.

Laced throughout your talking points is this attitude that military servicemembers are duped by some grotesque pro-war machinary.

Sending our troops into harm's way to "show" that we can live up to a commitment is no way to defend our nation.  We just fill more body bags.

These men and women of valor, willingly step into the breach. They are not to be recklessly squandered, but they sure ain't there to be pitied. Please figure out a way to honor what they chose to do while pushing for the proper mission for them to execute.


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We Are Waisting Our Brave Talent... (0.00 / 0)
...by putting them in Afghanistan without a clear mission in an operation they can't win.  They are men and women of valor, and they do willingly step into the breach.  Just as in Vietnam.  It is important that those of us at home step up and try to stop a war that is killing them for no reason.  

The questions that Jon Soltz raises need to be answered:

1) What is the military objective in Afghanistan?
2) How has the Taliban and al Qaeda evolved since 9/11?
3) Is training the Afghan Army the most important part of any plan?  
4) Is there enough support in the US to sustain a counter-insurgency strategy?
5) What to do about poppies?  
6) How popular are NATO Forces in Afghanistan?
7) How popular are the Taliban?
8) Is this still the central front on the war on terror?

I think the answers will get us out of Afghanistan sooner than later.  And that is the best way to honor our brave men and women.  


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Not "Just as in Vietnam." (4.00 / 2)
In Vietnam there was a draft. NOW we have an all volunteer military.

The socio-economic-education demographics of today's military is different as well.

Once again, these words "stop a war that is killing them for no reason." undermines morale. Men and women of valor will look at you, knowing you just don't get it. They will then turn to those that do. Or worse yet, those that pretend to. I call those folks chickenhawks.

Focus on dissecting the mission statement without relying on the rhetorical crutches left over from the Vietnam era.

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[ Parent ]
And here we have a fighting force that includes Blackwater. (4.00 / 2)
NOT an all volunteer military.

As for morale: the generals - maybe it was only McChrystal - in calling for a buildup said, "After all, the effort in Afghanistan has only started in the last year or two. The earlier six years were just a holding action." They are indeed willing to salute while lives are spent foolishly; voters are responsible for checking that tendency.


[ Parent ]
I hate Mercs (4.00 / 1)
Google Blackwater on BH and see how many diaries about them I have written.

"voters are responsible", YES!

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We're Killing People, And Losing Ours Every Day (0.00 / 0)
It's not a rhetorical crutch to say we have to end an unnecessary war action where we're killing people, and having ours killed, every day.  

And in my judgement this is much like Vietnam, and we're forgetting the lessons of that conflict.  I don't quite know why you, Jack, have made it your personal mission of late to criticize my opposition, but I can accept that.  I'll continue to stick with my message that we need to get out, quick.  

Hopefully President Obama will make the decision to do so, but if he doesn't many of us will oppose his decision.  I trust that if he reads up on Vietnam, as the media says he is doing, he'll see the similarities.  Right now, this is becoming his war, with absolutely no end in sight.  

And Jack, because I respect those men and women of valor of whom you write, I'll say it again:  we need to stop a war that is killing them for no reason.  Just as bad, we need to stop a war action that is contributing to making even more enemies for America because of those who we are killing with our bombs in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  I get that.  


[ Parent ]
No reason? (4.00 / 2)
We are fighting this war because of the 9/11 attacks; you can argue over whether it is accomplishing the goal of eliminating terrorist threats, but to say it is for "no reason" is wrong.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Must Have Missed That Memo (0.00 / 0)
Ummmm, I guess I missed that memo.  I thought we were looking for Al Qaeda, which by the way happen to be in dozens of countries. What's next?  Who's next?  Where's next?

Just about every war, every military action, can be rationalized in some way.  But entering Year Nine in Afghanistan with a military action that creates more future enemies for America because of the Moms and Dads, sons and daughters who are being killed because of our bombs and bullets in Afghanistan/Pakistan, let alone our continued action in Iraq, makes no sense.  

That's the memo I saw.


[ Parent ]
Taliban (4.00 / 1)
Ummmm, I guess I missed that memo.  I thought we were looking for Al Qaeda, which by the way happen to be in dozens of countries. What's next?  Who's next?  Where's next?

Sorry, Jim, but the Taliban housed and hid Al Qaeda before 9/11.  I won't get into its litany of additional human rights atrocities.

You can criticize the Bush Administration's handling of the war, and its ignorance of the welfare of Afghans and our own soldiers.  But the reason for going to war was -- and is -- clear.

More on this later.  Gotta go back to work.


[ Parent ]
Please don't rewrite history (4.00 / 3)
Ignoring the reason we went to war in Afghanistan undercuts the legitimacy of your arguments, some of which I agree with. It wasn't a memo, it was the World Trade Towers, the Pentagon and the plane that went down in Pennsylvania, all due to the actions of Bin Laden and Al Queda, given safe harbor in Afghanistan by the Taliban.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Looing For Al Qaeda (0.00 / 0)
And I thought I said that, Kathy -- that we were looking for Al Qaeda.  Not that we wanted to occupy a country, and stay there, and stay there, and stay there.  

[ Parent ]
Diversity (4.00 / 2)
Jim,
It is not my intent to be critical of your opposition. That I, actually, celebrate. America is not served well by us all being "on the bus." There is a phrase I use from time to time, "A consensus formed from the echo of parrots is no consensus."

What irks me, if I'm irked at all, is the heart wrenching pleas that imply that servicemen and women are victims of some nefarious scheme or that they are duped by their sense of duty, exploited by a corrupt system.

They do as they are ordered to do. They are there for that. To fulfill their duty with a sense of honor.

We, the citizens of America, are wholly responsible for the mission they are directed to execute. We must ensure that it is worthy and proper.

During Vietnam, focus was brought on the steady stream of body bags returning. It was an emotionally charged visual and opponents of the war capitalized on it. Just as Bush/Cheney suppressed this visual over this last war.

The best way, imho, to end a war is to undermine the strategic rational for waging it. Using soldiers as icons and other trappings of warfare is done to hit folks in the gut. It is used by all as they debate any war in the public square.

The most important thing I am trying to propose, is that you be exceptional careful how you frame the icon of todays military. Your frame will either engage military members and families, along with veterans and their families; or will alienate them.



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War Is About Human Beings (0.00 / 0)
Point well taken, Jack.  But war IS something we have to discuss in human terms.  When I refer to the men and women -- almost 1,000 brave Americans at this point -- returning in body bags, that reminds us that there are lives ended by this action.  When I see the ages of those killed -- 18, 19, 20, 21, as well as troops in their 40s and 50s, I think of the waste because of the lack of mission or purpose.

And when I point to the tens of thousands of others who are killed by our actions, the Moms and Dads and sons and daughters, I'm expressing my fear that we're making more future terrorists who will hate Americans ten, twenty, fifty years from now because of our military action.  A military action determined by Washington.  Yes, our soldiers are doing what they are ordered to do, but that military policy is what needs to end.  

War is about human beings.  I know many military members and families and veterans don't want to think of the waste, but I know many military members and families know they need not be involved in Afghanistan, or Iraq.  In that way, I'm fully agreeing with you but taking it one step further.  

Year Nine, and counting.  Almost 1,000 Americans killed, and more to come.  That is sad.  


[ Parent ]
one difference (4.00 / 1)
Viet Cong did not have the destruction of the U.S. as their main objective. Taliban and OBL are stateless villains a la comic books...who to negotiate with, what can satisfy them as a reasonable peace gesture ? This is a complex crisis that requires NATO participation, not unilateral action.

'Aints no more

[ Parent ]
Do we even know what corruption is? Do we know what it (0.00 / 0)
looks like here at home?

I'd say that public officials who are paid from the public purse are corrupt when they serve a special interest, either in exchange for a bribe or an anticipated benefit (not necessarily quantifiable), rather than the public interest.

Since there's a long tradition of officials being promoted to rule by political factions whose interests they are expected to serve, it's difficult to establish other criteria, like the public welfare.

Is it even possible to do that in a place like Afghanistan?

We can't even get Republicans in the U.S. to separate themselves from the hereditary elite.  The glamor factor is just too strong.  You need look no farther than Olympia Snowe to see its effect.


[ Parent ]
Today's news (4.00 / 4)
Was welcome:

Karzei has agreed to a new election

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10...

btw, great job by Senator Kerry on this, on the ground in Kabul!


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Sorry, "karzai" (0.00 / 0)
Apologies for typo, I'm on my mobile

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[ Parent ]
Where you thinking.. (0.00 / 0)
the City Year guy? ;v)

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[ Parent ]
USA Must Stand Firm against Terrorism & Corruption and for Human Rights (0.00 / 0)
Concise, clear, measurable assessment. Its about defending against terrorism first, effective and sustainable actions to stop human rights abuse (including abuse against women) second, and responsible nation-building third. Given America's now long-standing commitment in this country and its important geographic and strategic location, we must decide carefully how to adjust our present position - but we must protect our assets and servicemen from debacle. Firm diplomacy beginning with the Afghan regime, NATO and the UN are non-negotiable in this process - what America's next response is. Its up to the Afghans to step up to the next stage to staunch corruption, build reconciliation, and fight drug trafficking and terrorism if they want the support from the strongest country in the world and its willing allies for human rights and against corruption and terror.

Winter In Kabul (0.00 / 0)
I've interviewed Ann Jones twice, she has lived in Afghanistan for many years and wrote
Winter in Kabul and other books on the region.

She said when the US overthrew the Taliban, Afghanis were thrilled. But then we didn't build schools, roads, hospitals. All we did was military.
So there was a void and the only organized group to fill it was--the Taliban.

All who cite 9/11, I must ask: do you believe we are winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan people? Without that, there is nothing. Nothing but blood and waste and we still create more terrorists faster than we can kill them.

Military occupation never ever works.  

No'm Sayn?


Occupation Worked.. (0.00 / 0)
in Japan and Germany. Or do you something no one else does?

Oh. Korea. We are still there. I was there, actually, in 1989-90. The food was great.

Peacekeeping missions? Do they count?

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[ Parent ]
we're still in Japan too (0.00 / 0)
Japanese women are raped by US soldiers on a fairly continuous basis. We're winning hearts and minds all over the world.

Our military is broken. Until we fix that, we have no business imposing democracy on anyone.


[ Parent ]
Everything is broken (0.00 / 0)
There is no defense on violence towards women, civilian or military.

I think it sucks that criminals dishonor the uniform.

This won't shut down the operation. It has to evolve as it proceeds. It takes decades and the diligent efforts of top notch pols, like CSP.

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[ Parent ]
decades (4.00 / 1)
and trillions of US taxpayer dollars.

The endless, undeclared wars are bankrupting this country, morally and financially.  


[ Parent ]
Like the Soviet Union? n/t (4.00 / 1)


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[ Parent ]
Occupation doesn't work (4.00 / 3)
in Afghanistan, though. Ask the former USSR and the all but defunct British Empire.

I believe the last (semi) successful occupation of Afghanistan happened under Alexander the Great.

Stopping Al Quaida has to be a multi-national, multi-pronged effort. Simply marching in and occupying a nation will not put an end to them, IMO, they'll just go somewhere else, or split up (which they have done).


[ Parent ]
Analysis (0.00 / 0)
I'm not convinced that our middle east policy is served by a long term occupation, but at least you are willing to discuss criteria of success and failure.

This is a long way from "never ever!"

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[ Parent ]
It works (0.00 / 0)
for a while.

Niall Ferguson says we just don't enjoy it enough. :-!


[ Parent ]
How about the Persians? (4.00 / 1)
The Mongols?

There is always an occupation in Afghanistan, usually by Pashtuns--who are not a majority in that country--over Tajiks, Hazaras, and other groups which are smaller. A lot of instability comes from the conflict between the Pashtun south and the minority ethnicity north. The best rule Afghanistan experienced in recent memory was perhaps under the monarchy, unless you were Hazara and treated like a Jew in medieval Europe.

Basically by supporting the current government, NATO/ISAF is supporting the coalition of minorities against the larger Pashtun group, where the Taliban receives its support (I can't imagine there are any Hazara Taliban after the way they were treated). I think the constitution of Afghanistan as a central state with a national democracy contributes to its instability, because it pits region and ethnic group against region and ethnic group as they vie for control of the national government with bullets and ballots.

The goal should be working out a fair deal for both the Pashtuns and the ethnic minorities, security to allow for reconstruction, and broadening international participation to include Russia and Iran who have obvious security interests there, and perhaps China. Incursions should not be made into Pakistan, because that is making things worse, and it would be a lot better to have more troops in Afghanistan to provide for community security instead of relying on air support to smart bomb weddings. The anti-drug effort is absolutely retarded, and should be stopped because it's one of the few functioning aspects of the economy. If anything, the total opium crop should be bought up by NATO or the government of Afghanistan at above market prices to increase the cost of heroin for end users, and use the purchased opium crop to produce morphine to take care of the international shortage of that drug. Also, anyone making a fuss about corruption is out of their minds. Corruption is a fact of life in underdeveloped countries, it goes away (or takes on a different, less petty, form) with development.

Alternatively, one wonders if we were to take half the money spent on expensive western soldiers and their technology and everything else and just make cash payments to every Afghan, whether their newfound prosperity would spur development. One part of this occupation is clear, for every dollar invested, very few pennies -- or perhaps even fractions of a penny -- get to the average person living in Afghanistan and they are supposed to be the most immediate beneficiaries of this spending.


[ Parent ]
Get Serious Jack! (4.00 / 1)
Germany and Japan were defeated!
The entire population recognized that.
There was no other political structure extant.
Very very different from occupying a nation where there is active resistance from a large section of the population. Where there is a competing structure and political force which has won the hearts and minds of a great many citizens.
Hearts and minds in defeated Germany and Japan were with us!  

No'm Sayn?

[ Parent ]
Oh, conditions for success (4.00 / 1)
You get serious. You can be lazy with your big claims, if you want. It's a free blog, bro.

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[ Parent ]
You Don't Like it So You Get Personal? (4.00 / 1)
A Republican tactic.

Facts can be such inconvenient things, Jack.  

No'm Sayn?


[ Parent ]
Show me a fact (0.00 / 0)
You said "never ever,"  but NOW your stating that occupations are successful under certain criteria.

So, as someone who might like to discuss what are the current conditions and IF we are even close to being near what will lead to a successful outcome, I have no interest to grandiose proclamations of "never ever."

We are in the shit, Burt. Let's not waste lives, as Jim appeals for. Let's be clinical and see where we are really at. From there we can figure out whether we can get to a good place.

"Never ever." If that ain't an oversimplification, I don't know what is.

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[ Parent ]
As Rocky said to Bullwinkle: (4.00 / 1)
That trick never works!

Occupation doesn't ever work.

After the war ended (ended!) the Western allies were welcome to rebuild in defeated Germany and Japan.

It never ever has worked while a nation is still at war. It creates enemies much faster than we can kill them. Wouldn't you be angry if some foreign army occupied us without our consent?

No'm Sayn?


[ Parent ]
Sliding Scale - Iraq? (0.00 / 0)
Gee, I wish I could launch 50 years foreward, so I could say for sure, but things look like a definate maybe.

But I think we are now at some agreement, under certain conditions occupation works and under others, it does not.

Maybe now, Annie can more closely examine what she should be looking for.

Since she isn't in the Party of NO!

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[ Parent ]
But Burt (0.00 / 0)
How do you "end" the Afghan War? It seems to me the options are withdraw or stay. If we stay, we're obligated to protect the people we send there, and the people who live there. That, for lack of a better word, is an occupation.

Let's hope the new election improves things there. Afghanistan has had a good week.


[ Parent ]
Same Question 40 Years Later (4.00 / 1)
Flash back to 1969.
One could appropriately ask then:
"How do you "end" the Vietnam War? It seems to me the options are withdraw or stay. If we stay, we're obligated to protect the people we send there, and the people who live there. That, for lack of a better word, is an occupation."

As Rocky said to Bullwinkle...

No'm Sayn?


[ Parent ]
Too easy and too glib (4.00 / 1)
You might be right that we should withdraw, but the situations are not really comparable beyond being wars.

I'm open to withdrawal, but I'd like to think we accomplished something while we we're there. Dangling the word Vietnam doesn't convince me.



[ Parent ]
If this is Vietnam II (4.00 / 2)
and NATO is playing SEATO, who is playing the North Vietnamese?

Is there a conventional military opposition force? An organized alternative government?

The Taliban are even less coherent an organization (really, NATO lumps everybody shooting at them as Taliban) than the hugely factional national government NATO supports, and enjoy considerably less public support.


[ Parent ]
Could be a diary? (0.00 / 0)

If this is Vietnam II

Wanna write it?

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[ Parent ]
It's a terrible analogy and (4.00 / 2)
the only way I can get to it is this:

America fought the Vietnam war.
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan.
The Americans called it the Soviets' Vietnam.
The Americans--among other NATO powers--invaded Afghanistan.
Therefore, Afghanistan is America's Vietnam.

Why isn't the Afghanistan war America's Afghanistan war?

Nobody ever cites the more comparable Soviet-Afghan war--except the Russians, who are like, we did the research for you and you didn't bother to read the report.

I agree with Susan that all this war fighting, on credit, mind you, has the potential to ruin the United States. I also think that withdrawal for withdrawal sake sends the wrong message: after 1,000 deaths, the world's most expensive military calls it quits. But above both of those concerns--and the second one is minor, because it should be a warning/deterrent for future U.S. policymakers, even though it won't be--what happens in the whole region gone to shit could be even more devastating.

The attitude of let's withdraw and see what happens is scary and seems irresponsible. In the east, you've got India--a huge backer of the new Afghan government--and Pakistan--which does not want to be involved in Afghanistan--with nuclear weapons at each others throats since partition. You've got the Chinese worried about radical Islamic separatism. In the west, the Iranian opposition hasn't died down, cheap heroin seems to be the craze, Balochi separatists are apparently getting fired up. And then you've got huge refugee problem in all directions.

What happens when the neighbors need to increase defenses on their borders because they don't enjoy the NATO troop subsidy in Afghanistan? Does India capitalize on a distracted Pakistan? I can assure you that's what the Pakistanis are thinking. Can the Iranians maintain their regime when they're clamping down on the opposition and maintaining effective control over their territory by securing their border and keeping down separatists?

I'm against withdrawal if it puts the whole world in a worse position, and nobody's really made the case that it won't. Everything is from a close minded American perspective about "our boys" and "our money" and which doesn't care about the other people who are fighting there because the U.S. asked them to, or the other people who have to live with the consequences of U.S. actions. Which, even from a selfish perspective may be Americans depending on the effect the implosion of central Asia might have on the world economy.


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This election is kind of interesting (4.00 / 2)
Here's a neat map from the Washington Post.

Basically you've got two Northern Alliance candidates, one Pashtun who is going to give the important cabinet portfolios to Tajiks, and one Tajik who is going to do the same. It looks like with higher voter turnout, Karzai would've won without a second round, assuming the areas he won with over 70% of the vote, which are the most violent, also had the lowest voter turnout.

What's not totally clear to me is whether the voter turnout numbers (70% voter turnout in 2004; high estimate of 40-50% in 2009) are based on registered voters or eligible voters. If it's eligible voters, then it looks like 30% of the country doesn't think the government is legitimate and another 20-30% decided Karzai's reelection was a foregone conclusion or the stakes weren't high enough to vote.


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A.L.L.= Afghan Lessons Learned for Soldiers (4.00 / 1)
I just found this website:
A.L.L. Soldiers need to know this when deploying to Afghanistan. We post information to help share knowledge from those who have been there to make it easier for you to find what you need to know to come up to speed in Afghanistan. This site is unofficial. It does not represent the DoD or the U.S. Army. All opinions expressed are the opinion of the authors and do not claim to be official policy.

Tidbits:

Afghan chai has nothing to do with coffee shop spiced tea drinks.

"I'll have a double mocha chai latte with just a hint of Madagascar cinnamon..."

But chai is more than the tea. If an Afghan ever offers you chai, take him up on it. Chai is an experience; a hospitable, civil experience that is done nearly the same way anyplace I went in Afghanistan. It's a distinctively Afghan experience.

And they're not supposed to kill you while you're having chai with them.

Expect to see crushing poverty. Expect to see children who appear to be about four years old herding goats or sheep off by themselves in the middle of the day. Expect to see more Toyota Corollas than you ever thought were built. The general feeling has often been described as Biblical times blended with the Wild West with a touch of Mad Max.

Do not confuse illiteracy with stupidity. Afghans very often learn quickly by observation. They have a strong tradition of oral history. Be aware of why they are consummate fence-sitters, the ferocity of their lack of commitment born of a strong survival instinct. Understand that, often, what we see as corruption they see as the price of doing business.

Be slow to judge them by American standards. While the easy answer, it will only breed discontent in your own soul. There are many Afghans who are very glad that you are there. If you have close contact with them, you will quite likely be thanked by some for being there. There will be more on culture in further chapters.



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