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NH-Sen: Talking Points Fail

by: Dean Barker

Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 18:39:05 PM EST


Craig Benson protege and former Attorney General Kelly Ayotte:
By trying Mohammed in New York City, Ayotte said federal prosecutors will give him a chance to "spout off on his anti-American ideas and we will also allow terrorists around the world to get access to intelligence that they can use to harm us."
Glenzilla:
Once conservatives became embarrassed by their cowardly warnings that we would all be killed if we held a 9/11 trial in New York, they switched to a new argument:  trials in a real court would lead to the disclosure of classified information that would help the Terrorists.

...To see how false this claim is, all anyone ever had to do was look at the Classified Information Procedures Act, a short and crystal clear 1980 law that not only permits, but requires, federal courts to undertake extreme measures to ensure the concealment of classified information, even including concealment from the defendant himself.  Section 3 provides:  "Upon motion of the United States, the court shall issue an order to protect against the disclosure of any classified information disclosed by the United States to any defendant in any criminal case in a district court of the United States."  Section 9 required the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to consult with the Attorney General and Defense Secretary to develop rules to carry out the Act's requirements, and the resulting guidelines provide for draconian measures so extreme that it's hard to believe they can exist in a judicial system that it supposed to be open and transparent.

I think the saddest thing about this fail is that the bogus talking point originated, as Glenzilla details in full, from Andy McCarthy, an unserious conservative "intellectual" who defends birthers and death panels.

Is there anything at all genuine about the Ayotte candidacy?

Dean Barker :: NH-Sen: Talking Points Fail
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Let's be fair - (4.00 / 4)
How can we expect Attorney General Ayotte to know what federal law says, when she didn't know what New Hampshire's state law on marriage equality said?

She really does have a remarkable... "lack of intellectual curiosity," as the polite said of GW Bush.


Exactly. She has no confidence in the judicial system because (0.00 / 0)
on some level she sensed that she was way out of her league when she was the Attorney General.  Instinct-driven people do have reason to feel insecure.  They just don't know what it is. They don't recognize their own incompetence; only that outcomes are often disappointing.

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It's just so absurd (4.00 / 1)
When did conservatives stop believing in American justice?

Truthiness, extraordinary renditiion, and the American way


Republicans look to their leaders to be both scape-goats (0.00 / 0)
and someone who can be disobeyed.  Disobedience, of course, merits punishment and that's what government is for.  So, when Democrats are in charge, there's a good chance, they assume, that the punishment will be delivered and that makes them afraid.  Being in favor of law and order is safe when the lawman is incompetent.

So, what Democrats consider a virtue--agents of government that deliver--is the Republicans' worst night-mare.  And don't forget, terror is not a rational response.


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What's funny is a military tribual (4.00 / 2)
basically legitimizes the defendents as soldiers, rather than criminals.

If the argument is about not getting the outcome you want (e.g. criminal court less likely to "hang 'em high" than a military tribunal), then there's no reason to have trials at all. Why don't the opponents of the decision just argue for summary execution?


We can't discuss sources or methods n/t (4.00 / 2)


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New York terror trial (0.00 / 0)
Could it be-----The GOP doesn't want any one under oath in an American court room discussing how we treated terror?????? You know---war on a noun


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