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Policy Straw Poll: Education

by: Mike Caulfield

Wed Aug 01, 2007 at 20:09:44 PM EDT


(We received two more submissions from Biden and Richardson today, so I'm bumping this. Have at it! - promoted by Dean Barker)

So, most people don't know this, but in my other, non-political life I'm an edublogger. And probably very far out of the mainstream at that. (watch that slide presentation on my front page BTW -- it's good for your soul).

So it's with pleasure that announce our straw poll this week is on education. It's also with a little sadness, because I feel so much of the debate is tangential to the rethinking of what education in a networked world should look like, free of the edu_protectionism that suffuses the current model.

But that said, I'm still very happy with the current crop of answers from our candidates. We're missing a couple, but the level of detail in these answers in in the spirit of the poll.

So once again, the rules:

1) 200 words or less
2) Starts with either the phrase "I am the only candidate who" or "Unlike Candidates X, Y, and Z, I" (must be at least three candidates you differ from).
3) Must contain a policy point in the first sentence.

And the answers, in the order received:

From Kucinich:

I am the only candidate to introduce a bill calling for Universal Pre-Kindergarten. In the 107th and 108th Congresses, I introduced legislation to create a free and voluntary pre-kindergarten program for 3- to 5-year-old children. The most critical cognitive development occurs in the years from birth to age 3 and education must emphasize creative and
critical thinking, not just test taking. I support a substantial reinvestment in the infrastructure of our nation's public schools by cutting the bloated Pentagon budget by 15%. For grades K through 12, my priorities are based on the bedrock principle of a free and high quality public education for every child. I co-sponsored the Better Classroom Act and the Expand and Build America's Schools Act, two bills to help communities make needed school repairs and expansions. HR 935 is the most comprehensive child care and education bill in the U.S. Congress to improve a child's well-being
and education in America. I support additional funding for teacher training and full funding of Special Education. I have proposed a tuition-free higher education to millions of students in state universities. We cannot improve education by draining funding from our public schools, students paying the tax cuts for the wealthy hurt all Americans, education is the only solution proven to reduce poverty levels.

From Dodd:

"I am the only candidate to offer a comprehensive proposal to reform No Child Left Behind, which every parent recognizes the next President must fix immediately.

"As the author of the No Child Left Behind Reform Act, I understand that keeping America strong and competitive starts with our public schools.  In my Administration, schools will have the flexibility to measure student improvement in ways other than test scores.  I will ensure schools that need improvement get the resources they need and can target them to students that need them most.  I will support teachers.  No high school science teacher will be required to hold degrees in biology, chemistry and physics to be considered qualified. 

"Next week, I will unveil an ambitious education plan in New Hampshire, from pre-K to college.  With college affordability critical to ensuring a vibrant middle class, my plan will also include a proposal to reduce the skyrocketing cost of tuition and fix our broken student loan system.

"I've spent my entire career finding innovative ways to improve education-from Head Start to college-and bringing people together to turn those ideas into law.  This is the kind of leadership I will bring to the White House."

From Edwards:

I am the only candidate with a proven plan -- that I call College for Everyone  to pay for one year of public-college tuition, fees, and books for every young person in America willing to work hard and stay out of trouble. Students will be required to work part-time in college, take a college-prep curriculum in high school, and stay out of trouble.  College has never been more important, and College for Everyone will help make college more affordable for 2 million students every year.  I was the first person in my family to go to college --  I worked my way through school and it didn?t hurt me a bit.  To prove that the concept works, I helped start a College for Everyone pilot program at Greene Central High School in eastern North Carolina that has helped lifted college-going rates from 54 percent to 74 percent today.

To make sure every child is prepared to go to college, I will strengthen our K-12 system by expanding pre-school, paying teachers more to work in hard-to-staff schools and subjects, strengthening high school curricula and creating "second chance schools" to lift up former dropouts. 

From Obama:

I am the only candidate who will work with parents and teachers to break through the political stalemate in Washington and improve our education system for the 21st century. For too long, our politics has been stuck in a cycle where we praise our educators in speeches and photo-ops, but abandon them when it comes time to offer the resources and the support they need to do their jobs.  Too often our leaders present this issue as an either/or debate, divided between giving our schools more funding or demanding more accountability.  I believe we have to do both.  But I also believe that before we can hold our teachers accountable for the results our schools need, we have to hold ourselves accountable for giving teachers the support that they need.  Fixing No Child Left Behind is only the beginning.  We can find new ways to increase pay that are developed with teachers, not imposed on them. I introduced the Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act to encourage local school districts to try new ways to improve student success that can be replicated in other school districts.  I will raise salaries for teachers across the board.  High-performing teachers, in-demand math and science teachers, and those teachers who take on new responsibilities, such as mentoring new teachers, will be eligible for pay increases beyond their base salary.  I believe our education system can't be based on luck. We need to make sure that students everywhere have the opportunity to have a top-quality education.

Two Thursday Updates by Dean:

From Biden:

I am the only candidate with a plan to fully cover the average cost of tuition at a two-year public college and cover more than half the average cost of tuition at a public four-year college. Rising costs are putting college out of reach for more and more Americans - it is estimated that in the next decade nearly 2 million qualified students won't be able to afford to go.  We must do more for our students.  My College ACCESS plan would provide a $3,000 refundable tax credit - equivalent to a $12,000 deduction - so that a family paying the nearly $6,000 in tuition at Plymouth State will get back more than half of that investment through the $3,000 ACCESS refund.  My ACCESS plan would also increase Pell Grants to $6,300 which, together with the ACCESS refund, will guarantee low-income students up to $9,300 towards college each year.


From Richardson:

I am the only candidate who is consistently raising education issues in this campaign.  I am the only candidate who consistently talks about abolishing No Child Left Behind and instituting a minimum wage for teachers, as I did in my speech before the NEA.  And I am the only candidate proposing innovative ideas like emphasizing art education  to unlock the minds of our young people at an early age and help them achieve their full potential.  Furthermore, I am the only candidate who has actually done this sort of thing before.  In New Mexico, we banned junk food in schools, improved access to physical education and instituted a healthy breakfast program, because no child should come to school hungry.  We raised teacher salaries from 46th in the nation to 29th, and increased the number of "highly-qualified" teachers.  And I signed legislation that expanded full-day kindergarten and made Pre-Kindergarten available for thousands of four-year-olds across the state.  As president, I will continue to be a champion for quality education, because our kids deserve the best.

End Update.

Mike Caulfield :: Policy Straw Poll: Education
From Clinton:

As President Hillary Clinton will make education a priority and fight to improve the quality of every child's education, from preschool through college.  For the past 35 years, she has fought to raise educational standards and expand the pool of outstanding teachers across the country.  Hillary believes that we should help all students, all educators and all schools meet the highest possible standards in a way that improves teaching and learning. She has said we need to create an assessment system that puts learning not memorizing front and center. She is proud of our public schools and strongly opposes vouchers, which divert limited resources from our public school systems.  An example of Hillary's innovative thinking on education is her proposal to provide $10 billion in funding for quality pre-kindergarten to every four-year-old child to ensure they are ready to learn when they start school.  Check out our NH website to read more about why Karen McDonough, a high school English teacher and the former President of NEA-New Hampshire, endorsed Hillary just last week and to read more about Hillary?s education proposals:  http://www.hillarycl...

So, as you notice, Clinton submitted a non-standard answer again, which once again puts us in a bind, because we want to be fair to the other candidates, but we also want people to see Clinton's answer so they can compare. And they aren't necessarily trying to trick us here, they've told me beforehand this is the closest to our format they can provide. And they do meet the policy focus and the word limit -- but refuse to draw distinctions between Senator Clinton and others.

So since I'm a wuss, I leave it to you guys -- the poll this week isn't on the statements, it's on our method here. And it's multivote, so select all options you feel are legit.

But please engage in a vigorous debate about education in the comments -- it will warm my cold, cold, heart.

Poll
Should non-compliant answers be included?
Yes, who cares?
Yes, but they should be called out as that.
Yes, but not in the top section, put in comments.
Yes, but below the fold, the way you did here
No, don't include them, it undermines the exercise

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Of COURSE they should be included (4.00 / 1)
(IMHO).

You would do no favor to either the voters or the campaigns by "censoring" them.  We can all judge the extent to which the choice to not follow the format reflects poorly -- or maybe in some cases well -- on the candidate.

Do I understand that this week we have the following MIAs:

* Biden
* Gravel
* Richardson

?


Stating the Obvious: a risky proposition. (0.00 / 0)
Biden and Richardson responded.  Clinton responded as well, but not in the prescribed format.  It would appear Hillary wants to "be counted" but, if her answer proves problematic at some future point, have that answer "not count" because it was not written in the first person.  This is classic Hillary.  Her husband once replied, "It depends on what the meaning of is, is"

[ Parent ]
Elwood's comment is from Wednesday. (0.00 / 0)
Biden & Richardson's submissions came on Thursday and added by me in an update.

birch, finch, beech

[ Parent ]
So I'm ready (4.00 / 1)
To field any questions about Net-enabled education. I know you're all dying to ask me about it, and candidates will flock to me because of my expertise ;)





uh (0.00 / 0)
the first three answers appeared to have very specific sentences.

Hillary's a joke,, but I really doubt Obama is the only candidate to work with teachers and parents.

obama's is pretty close to Hillary's

"time to ask Americans to be patriotic about something other than war"- John Edwards


[ Parent ]
Well (0.00 / 0)
I am enjoying your blog, but I don't understand it well enough to have questions yet.

[ Parent ]
ok... (0.00 / 0)
What's net enabled education?

[ Parent ]
distance learning (0.00 / 0)
is the term I prefer

Next time, there may be no next time.

[ Parent ]
well i actually think it's bigger than that (0.00 / 0)
because the question is in a world where information is always a click away, what should education be about. State Capitals? Or digital literacy? Geometry? Or search strategies?

Etc.

if you go on my blog and read some of the links, you'l get a feeling for it.



[ Parent ]
Elwood's Response (4.00 / 2)
I am the only candidate who will tell you that education policy is fundamentally a local and state issue, not one for the federal government. People who care deeply about education need to speak to their state Representatives and Senators and Governors.  Those people determine everything from school funding mechanisms -- a crisis in most states, not just New Hampshire -- to public college and university tuition rates. Tell your state government to look at the other 49 "laboratories" and steal the best ideas they can. Washington has enough trouble with its clearly national responsibilities.

But I'm not running.


I agree... msotly (4.00 / 2)
but I think the Federal Government does have some role.

For instance:  the Federal Government helps significantly with college expenses.  Their federal financial aid forms determine what financial aid you can get of any kind. 

We need more money for subsidized student loans and grants.

Also: I believe our eventual goal should be universally free access to public higher education.  I don't see how individual states will be able to institute such a program... especially NH given our current tax structure.


[ Parent ]
College Grad (0.00 / 0)
I am a college graduate who was fortunate enough to receive federal grants and the Pell grant. This certainly eased the burden and helped make it possible for me to go to college. Though I am still paying on some large debts, having more funding would make a huge difference. Biden's plans for college tuition and early childhood are the best ideas so far.

[ Parent ]
Good response (4.00 / 1)
I think the state is about the right size entity to deal with this. At least in NH. In CA, God help them.

The best easy thing to do for education is kill NCLB COMPELETELY.

What dismays me though is how little innovation there is in education -- one thing the government SHOULD be doing is funding true research and production into alternative modes of ed, and feeding the states that info for their use.

It amazes me we retain our 1892 mode of education -- something's broken just in that -- or that we make all this boo-hoo about ALGEBRA scores. Who cares? Have you ever used algebra? My brother used trig once in a video game he made -- he didn't remember his trig at first -- you know what he did? He looked it up.

And science! Did you know most students can't name the 4 molecules that make up DNA? Oh wait, neither can I. The biggest chemical discovery of the last century and I don't know the molecules. Hmmm.

Oh -- and the SATs. Kids are sinking! Fast! It's horrific! No, wait, it's egregious?

Does it matter?

We're nuts. We're really insane. It's like we're fraternity brothers that having been hazed now are irrevocably convinced of the necessity of hazing.

I personally would love to see someone ebrace Schank's vision which he wrote in a letter to President Bush:

Our problems in science and in education come from our view that education is about preparing for Harvard in 1892 and not for life in 2003. So, as your science advisor I would propose three things:

? 1) Begin to help change our education policy to create students who prepare for the real world they will inhabit by learning how to wire their houses instead of quoting Ohm's law or how and when to refinance their house rather than learning Euclidean Geometry. I would create more curricula in science and other subjects that emphasized everyday reasoning issues like the use of stem cells or waste cleanup or snow removal or alternative energy sources. Why can't science be about real issues in real people's lives? I'll bet you didn't take a single science course at Yale. Who could blame you? I was a member of the Yale faculty for many years. The science professors are preparing future scientists not future Presidents. The nation suffers as a result.

? 2) We must call for a new curriculum meeting to replace the 1892 curriculum and to reinvent the schools. Stop going on about test scores and making sure every kid studies the same stuff and build hundreds of new curricula and let students choose. We need to teach people how to think not how to memorize information.

? 3) We must consider education (and science) as our most likely product for export. The world needs education more than it needs food. This is the best way to counter terrorism in the long run. We have the best and brightest in this country because a lot of our education system isn't broken. (We have great universities and superb Ph.D. programs for example.) Let's start considering how we export these great educational products with the intent not of taking others country's best minds and making them US citizens, but with the idea that if they cant read in Pakistan this can cause us a great many problems down the road. On line learning is the answer because it is easy to export. Why haven't we spent money on creating high quality on line literacy programs and science reasoning programs that would make the export of education a real possibility? Instead of spending money on making better tests why not spend money on better curricula?





[ Parent ]
California used to have (0.00 / 0)
maybe the best public higher education system in the nation.

Then Jarvis and Proposition 13 happened.


[ Parent ]
NH is smaller than Brooklyn (0.00 / 0)
Many more Boards of Education though.
All heading in slightly different directions.
The beauty of local control.

Next time, there may be no next time.

[ Parent ]
NCLB (0.00 / 0)
... and its equivalents, like MCAS, are here to stay. They enjoy support across the political spectrum because they create accountability, or at least the appearance thereof.

So I'll be devil's advocate here: Every teacher I know (more than a few) talks about "teaching to the test," by which they mean the test-imposed standard. But in the absence of that, isn't every teacher setting his/her own standard? Never mind state, federal, county, or city, it would be a different standard in each classroom.

Furthermore, doesn't society impose a standard? I agree it's lower than algebra, but it's at least as high as balancing your checkbook (or evaluating that home equity offer), and not everyone can do that. So how does society enforce its standard of learning? The way we do it now is unacceptable and punitive on those who the system failed.

(I'm not necessarily carrying this water, but I find "let students choose" unsatisfying.)


[ Parent ]
if the standard is retention of knowledge, yes (4.00 / 1)
If the standard is accomplishing something, no.

I DO beleive that the referee and the coach functions of the teacher have to be seperated. It's sleazy otherwise.

But the referee function should assess real world accomplishment, not tests.



[ Parent ]
Well said (0.00 / 0)
I'm withholding further comment, 'cause I isa not an expert.

OK one comment -- I think understanding and knowing the table of elements is a real world accomplishment (a small one), but maybe that's because I don't understand it.



[ Parent ]
I can't tell you how many of my students (4.00 / 1)
lose points for not following the instructions.

birch, finch, beech

So, Clinton is a delegator and a non-conformist. (0.00 / 0)
Also, she seems to have a knack for picking mealy-mouthed subordinates whose reliance on the word "fight" indicates a certain lack of innovative thinking.

Why, exactly, are we supposed to be impressed by 35 years of effort with nothing to show for it? 

Given that, unless they are brain-damaged, children are born ready to learn, the pre-kindergarten proposal suggests a desire to begin regimentation at an even earlier age.

Being non-compliant is an interesting way to hog the limelight.  I expect it's going to backfire.


Again, thank you to the campaigns and candidates (4.00 / 1)
who responded on this most important issue.

The Clinton campaign strategy of blurring the distinctions between candidates, as evinced here and on the previous straw poll by not following the rules, continues to make me less and less interested in her platform, and thus, her candidacy.

In real life, I am a teacher, so in the interests of not bringing my hobby too close to my professional life, I choose not to comment generally on matters of public education on BH.

I will only say that some responses had me cheering, while others made me want to put my head through a wall.

birch, finch, beech


"Compliance" (0.00 / 0)
These people are running for president. Responding = compliance. Responding the way you want them to = extra credit, to further the education metaphor that I, if I were a campaign, would find offensive.

Bill was lucky (0.00 / 0)
America graded him on a curve !

Next time, there may be no next time.

[ Parent ]
the rules (0.00 / 0)
Why don't we just have them raise hands?  I like the fact that Hillary's campaign isn't interested in playing the "I'm the only..." game.  Shows independence and a willingness to think outside the box.  How about if we ask the same questions and let them all have five or six paragraphs to answer without any silly "60-second sound bite" restrictions? We can get that from the so-called debates.

part of the i am the only candidate who (4.00 / 1)
IS to get them to break the soundbitism.

It works pretty well for those that give it a go.



[ Parent ]
"Shows independence" (0.00 / 0)
Independence is precisely what it does not show.  It's entirely the opposite.  What it does show, we can decide for ourselves.  This is why I voted that her responses be included with the others but that it deserves noting her [campaign's] refusal to individuate.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship

[ Parent ]
My take (0.00 / 0)
Campaigns need to strike a balance between message discipline and quick response times. The Clinton campaign is focused more on message discipline. They seem less able to construct and get approved a "custom" statement, but are able to piece together text from existing, approved statements.


[ Parent ]
I agree (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, Calvin, she didn't think outside Mike's box, she just answered with something out of her box.

But I think we've made too much of her noncompliance.


[ Parent ]
I agree (4.00 / 1)
I think I've said this before, give the Clinton campaign points for being honest. She isn't answering the question, her staff is, so starting by saying "I am" would not be true, and I would be surprised if the staffs of some of the other candidates haven't answered at least some of the questions as well. It also is a little ironic that she is being criticized for not following the script! 

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
Wow (0.00 / 0)
I'm simply in awe...  You've managed to take her willingness to differentiate on each of these serious issues, and spun it into virtuous "honesty" and "nonconformity".

Simply amazing, considering how you aren't supporting any candidate.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship


[ Parent ]
*UNwillingness* (0.00 / 0)


It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship

[ Parent ]
Sigh (0.00 / 0)
I was going to say something snarky back at you, but since (a) you are an Al Gore fan, and (b) this is supposed to be about education, I'll just thank you for telling me that you are in awe! 

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
Again, thanks to you (4.00 / 1)
guys for hosting this and for reading and commenting.

200 words is short so if you want some more from John on NCLB and other education issues, here's his speech to the NEA.



Disclaimer - Don't know if I technically still need one since no longer work in NH, but am paid staffer at AFL-CIO :)


The answers (4.00 / 1)
No time for my famous grid, but I'll give the nod to Kucinich (or his people). His answer got to the point and was specific. In my view there is too much rhetoric in the others, particularly Obama's.

And a small thumbs down to all of us, me included, for hijacking the policy straw poll. The heat is a good excuse, but this is a real showcase of the site, so we ought to stay on point.



The Rigid Mindset and How it Excludes Tens of Thousands. (0.00 / 0)
I have been a tax accountant for 28 years.  My clientele are middle-class, many of whom blue-collar, "salt-of-the-earth" kind of people.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  Why?  For the simple reason that I respect hard-working people and take great satisfaction from assisting them with their many challenges and struggles.

Reading and applying tax code for a living has trained me to see the exceptions--the if's, and's or but's of people's lives, if you will.  While government, of necessity it seems, must take a cookie-cutter approach when crafting new laws, far too often such laws are crafted so narrowly as to cause one to ask do the people who write and enact these laws actually know any real human beings?

I bring to this discussion only the best intentions, yet I find myself in the position of a critic on reading each of the education proposals put forth by the candidates.

There are, at minimum, one million disabled people in the United States today.  Where are the proposals to do anything to improve special needs students?

They are literally tens of thousands of young people in this country whose families are in such dire circumstances that attending college, at the usual ages, is out of the question, for they must work to earn what little they can to help or, in many cases, totally support a family in crisis.  Where are the proposal to allow for deferals of these educational benefits for people who put survival of family ahead of their own interests?

Poverty in America has become a national institution.  With no increase, but only decline, in real earnings every year since 1973, in greater and greater numbers, more Americans must simply do without, creating what seems a permanent underclass.  Divorce rates skyrocket.  Teenage pregnancy has become epidemic.  The family unit has been under attack for decades.  Tens of thousands of young, traditionally "college-age" people are forced to live on their own, with no parents to provide support and no parental tax returns from which to realize any financial asssitance through tax credits.  Many millions of our young people, some say as many as 30 percent, never graduate high school.  To attribute that statistic to one or even a handful of causes is to demonstrate fatal ignorance of real life.  These issues, taken together or separately, must be considered when drafting new laws concerning education.

This is the Democratic Party!  What other political party is to stand for the rights of the disabled and disenfranchised, and those who make extraordinary personal sacrifice in order to bridge the gaps and patch the holes left in the fabric of America's disintegrating family life, if not the Democatic Party?

Currently, our tax code arbitrarily identifies a college-age student as someone between the ages of 18 and 24.  These laws must have been written by Republicans!  Or, certainly, such laws were written by people out of touch with the real lives of our people.

I would like to see each one of the Democratic candidates responding to Blue Hampshire blog question on education, rethink their proposals and enlarge the scope of their proposed programs so as to better reflect the diversity and realities of American life.

And one last bit of free (unsolicited) advice:  No, you can't deduct the cost of your haircuts!


The Right Mindset and a Dash of Snark (0.00 / 0)
Really, why close on haircuts when you are so right about the big issues; Education, Poverty, and Health Care Access for all. Free (unsolicited) advice...worth the price.

Next time, there may be no next time.

[ Parent ]
Biden and Richardson (4.00 / 1)
I like Biden's idea, but the answer could have focused on more than higher ed. Richardson's tone bugs me -- the "I am the only" format plays to his weakness, it seems -- but I have no issue with the substance of what he said.

Especially since I'm too old for the junk food ban.


Vo-Tech (4.00 / 1)
Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't seem like any candidates put any focus on vocational technical training, either in high school or post high school.  Traditional college is not the answer for everyone. Apprenticeship programs also are important. We shouldn't forget the value of adult ed, either. 

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 



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