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Policy Straw Poll: Infrastructure

by: Mike Caulfield

Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 09:30:50 AM EDT


Alright, let's get to it. Slighty thinner showing today, but most of the major candidates are represented.

On the subject of infrastructure, in the order received with ones that break the format last:

From Obama:

I am the only candidate committed to decreasing the influence wielded by Washington lobbyists so that our much-needed and long-overdue investments in infrastructure focus on safety and our long-term competitiveness rather than wasteful earmarks for special interests. In 2005, the American Society for Civil Engineers released a report card saying that, due to neglect and underfunding, our roads merited a D, our bridges a C, and our transit system a D+. I will provide the leadership to finally reform Washington so that it's not just the well-connected who benefit from federal laws. I will make long-term investments in our highways, bridges, airports, railways, and neighborhood streets. I also believe that we must expand access to critical 21st century infrastructure like high-speed broadband, which is why I am committed to bringing broadband access to disadvantaged rural and urban communities alike.

From Dodd:

I am only candidate that has introduced a bipartisan measure to address the critical needs of our nation’s major infrastructure systems – a measure that I have been working on for several years. 

The Bush Administration has spent hundreds of billions waging a war that tore down a country and hundreds of billions more rebuilding it -- all while our own infrastructure crumbles. But we shouldn’t have to wait for a national disaster to invest in our priorities.    To restore America’s strength we need leadership that has a proven track record of fighting for the right priorities and the foresight to invest in them.  
My National Infrastructure Bank Act would offer federal financing of infrastructure projects through public and private capital. The bank is an independent government entity tasked with evaluating and financing capacity-building infrastructure projects of substantial regional and national significance.  This includes publicly-owned mass transit systems, housing properties, roads, bridges, drinking water systems, and wastewater systems.  This measure can help rebuild our roads and bridges, improve our quality of life, create thousands of jobs and spur economic growth.  By investing today, we can minimize costs down the road and provide a brighter, more secure future for all Americans.

From Biden:

I am the only candidate who commutes daily on Amtrak and every day I see up close what our infrastructure needs. I am leading the effort to establish a national passenger rail system to create a cleaner, safer, more efficient transportation network. Traffic congestion cost us $65 billion in wasted hours in 2000.  It also cost us almost 6 billion gallons of fuel, which is why I was delighted to hear that New Hampshire recently made an important expansion in commuter rail.

I have been actively working to improve our infrastructure as far back as 1992 when I proposed a $20 billion plan to invest in our roads, bridges, ports and other facilities, but today the Federal Highway Administration says of the 594,000 bridges in the country, 150,000 are rated "structurally deficient or functionally obsolete" and it would take $9-$10 billion a year over the next 20 years to bring existing bridges intro structural and safety compliance. We spend less that one percent of our national income on infrastructure investment, China spends 9 percent. We all saw the terrible tragedy in Minneapolis. A bridge shouldn't just fall down in the middle of America.

We also need a new green infrastructure and I support green building codes and create incentives for new energy efficient commercial building. This in turn will create more "green collar" American jobs. Look at the work that needs to be done. From engineering to construction, the core jobs that can build and sustain our middle class will be in demand if we invest in infrastructure. We need those jobs. We need the infrastructure.

From Edwards:

I am the only candidate who has proposed a national broadband policy with a goal of giving all U.S. homes and businesses affordable access to real high-speed internet by 2010.  Just as FDR's rural electrification initiative brought power to every corner of the country, an investment in internet infrastructure can cover all Americans with a broadband "blanket," and create jobs and up to $500 billion in economic benefits.

The U.S. has fallen to 16th in the world in broadband penetration per household, but we don't have a national broadband policy.  As president, I will establish a national broadband map to identify gaps in availability, price and speed to encourage private investment.  Then I will create public-private partnerships to promote deployment; reform the universal service program to encourage rural buildout; and prohibit telephone and cable companies from discriminating against rural or low-income communities in building their networks.  We need a national policy that encourages every level of government to make the Internet more affordable and accessible, from cities investing in municipal wireless projects, to state utility commissions promoting investments in high-speed infrastructure, to the FCC allocating broadcast spectrum -- like the newly available 700 megahertz broadcast spectrum -- to wireless networks that can improve service to underserved areas.

From Hillary (it's actually ~200 words, I checked, though obviously the format is once again in violation of the "I am the only candidate who" request):

Hillary Clinton announced her Rebuild America Plan in Rochester last week (http://www.fosters.c...). 

Emergency Initiatives Addressing Safety:

* Establish $10b "Emergency Repair Fund" to address the backlog of critical infrastructure repairs.
* Provide $250m in "Emergency Assessment Grants" to the states to conduct immediate safety reviews of their high-priority, high-risk infrastructure assets.
* Form a commission to carry out a comprehensive assessment of our engineering review standards so that we better prioritize needed repairs on bridges and roads.

Modernizing Infrastructure:

* Increase federal funding for public transit by $1.5b per year.
* Link federal public transit funds to local land use policies that encourage residential developments that maximize public tranthat we better prioritize needed repairs on
bridges and roads.

Modernizing Infrastructure:

* Increase federal funding for public transit by
$1.5b per year.
* Link federal public transit funds to local land
use policies that encourage residential
developments that maximize public transit usage.

* Invest an additional $1b in intercity passenger
rail systems.
Partner with state and local governments and the
private sector to create a national policy to
guide the modernization of ports.

Addressing Congestion and Traffic Growth:

* Increase the budget for the DOT's congestion
reduction programs by approximately 50% to $600m
annually.
* Make "technology solutions" to congestion a
priority for the DOT.
* Promote telecommuting by encouraging its use at
federal agencies, and by committing up to $50m per
year to support state and local initiatives.

Broadband:

* Support initiatives to establish leadership in
broadband.


8/18/07 Update by Dean:

From Richardson:

I am the only candidate that has actually led a state's infrastructure development.

As Governor of New Mexico, I have invested aggressively in my state?s infrastructure with GRIP?a $1.6 billion transportation and infrastructure initiative that is improving highways and creating new modes of transportation like commuter rail.  It is estimated that my program will have an $8.4 billion positive impact on New Mexico?s economy and create direct savings of $10.9 billion for our citizens in terms of commuter cost, safety, and vehicle operating costs.  We can improve safety and transportation, while growing our economy. In fact, these priorities go hand in hand. In my state, we?ve improving our roads, while creating 80,000 jobs, lifting personal income, and cutting taxes.

As a nation, we must commit to the future. My plan for our economy emphasizes creating Green Jobs -- jobs that are good for American workers and the American environment. We need to incentivize energy-efficient green building and the retro-fitting of inefficient infrastructure.  The recent tragedies in Minnesota and Utah have broken our hearts and proven that we cannot afford to fail. It is imperative that we make the necessary investments in our shared infrastructure.



From Kucinich:


I am the only candidate with a plan that will improve the infrastructure and put 2 million Americans back to work at a living wage in such enterprises as rebuilding schools, designing roads, refurbishing environmental projects, and manufacturing steel for water systems. We will also increase the quality of life, by making highways safer, water cleaner, and schools more conducive to learning. Infrastructure problems threaten our productivity, our economy, our environment, and our health. Under the Kucinich plan State and local governments would continue to issue bonds to finance infrastructure projects, the federal government would be authorized to buy those bonds. States would have to repay the principal, but unlike normal municipal borrowing, these bonds would pay zero interest. So, the cost of borrowing for infrastructure improvement would be reduced by half. The federal government would hold these bonds in the Federal Bank for Infrastructure Modernization (FBIM). The bank, as an extension of the Federal Financing Bank under the Treasury, would administer the loans. The loans would bear a small fee of one-quarter of one percent of the loan principal to cover the administrative costs of the FBIM. In order to provide the money for the loans, the FBIM would hold a portion of the Treasury securities that the Federal Reserve normally holds. Transferring about $50 billion annually to the FBIM would still allow the Fed to operate as it does now to add liquidity to the system. The Fed, instead of buying securities, would buy the mortgage loans of the states. The FBIM's finances would be integrated by the Federal Open Market Committee so as not to disrupt its ability to promote economic stability. 

Mike Caulfield :: Policy Straw Poll: Infrastructure
I'm in Palo Alto right now at a non-BH thingamajig. I may be unavailable for much of the day -- if any issues arise with the Policy Straw Poll, email me, but you may want to cc: Laura and Dean just in case.

Oh, and I have to say, these are withut a doubt some of the best answers yet. Thanks to all that participated.

Poll
Which of these answers did you find most compelling?
Obama
Dodd
Biden
Edwards
Hillary

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I actually like Biden's personalization (4.00 / 2)
of the issues. He did this with health care too.

Yes, I'm wonkier than most --  but the actual life experience of a President probably matters more in predicting how s/he addresses issues in the Washington maelstrom than the details of his/her position papers.


In general (4.00 / 2)
Biden has personalized, and Dodd has gone to his legislative history, Edwards has focussed on history (but mostly post-legislative) or policy, Hillary has said what she values, and Obama has stressed his independence.

At least that's how I'm remembering it.

Numbers miight prove me wrong.



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That's an interesting observation about Biden... (4.00 / 2)
and wholly consistent with his political style/persona.  He is very much a candidate that connects with people personally and individually.  I think that might be one of his greatest strengths.  When people see him in person, few walk away not impressed.  He is extremely charismatic and he speaks from his gut and his heart (even though he is clearly very intelligent). 



[ Parent ]
Biden has the best plan, as usual. (0.00 / 0)
Since maintaining hard infrastructure is virtually inseparable from promoting real measures to deal with deficits in homeland security, it is surprising to me that Biden's message here didn't mention his proposal to set up an actual trust to be used for homeland security, funded by taking back half of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.  I must assume the Biden campaign chose to deal with the space limitation by staying right on point.  This is typical of Biden and one of his best qualities.  I would strongly recommend that interested people check Senator Joe's website for what he has to say concerning homeland security trust fund.

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I gave it to Biden too (4.00 / 2)
Hillary second, for her specifics.

I don't know if this format plays to Obama's strength. Again with the lobbyists? I feel like he's off his game. And if he read that report in 2005, where was his legislative response to it?

I wasn't thinking of broadband as part of infrastructure, but it's interesting that two of the candidates are.


Well, the electronic communications industry (0.00 / 0)
is constantly looking for expansion that will generate a reliable flow of revenue. 
And then, of course, having all households permanently connected to the internets will make it a lot easier to monitor their comings and goings, won't it.  Especially when everyone's refrigerator is connected and they can keep track of those midnight snacks.
Not suggesting any nefarious intent, mind you.  Keeping track of people is just a basic instinct.  The internet represent a real challenge because they're so unruly.
No doubt the modeling they've accomplished with their illegal taps has demonstrated that intercepting a stream of light doesn't provide much useful information.

[ Parent ]
Big lead for Obama (11:10 a.m.) (0.00 / 0)
But no comments?

Kind of like health care (0.00 / 0)
and some of the other issue polls.

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The only problem with Dodd (4.00 / 1)
is his use of the word "would."  Since the legislation has just been introduced and is far from being passed, "would" is an entirely appropriate word, but the conditional is never popular with the casual reader.
What I like about the Infrastructure Bank is that it not only secures financing for necessary investments, but introduces a bit of regulation into an arena that's increasingly being exploited by the financial industry anyway.
I'm in no way versed in finance, but as I understand it there's an interest in the markets encouraging states to issue bonds for infrastructure improvements, at a low rate of interest because of the certainty that it will be repaid, and these bonds are then leveraged to generate more revenue for the issuing entity.
It's my guess that this proposal by Dodd and Hagel is designed to preempt the emergence of an un-regulated market and all the hazards that (ala hedge funds) such innovative strategies might represent.
At least, it would seem to be an attractive alternative to having our highways bought up by foreign entities.

Biden the policy leader, why not the poll leader? (4.00 / 1)
It seems that on so many issues, the candidates are following Biden's lead on policy. How many times in the debates has one candidate or another either said, "Joe's right", or have adjusted their policy such that their policies look like the policies Biden has been espousing since the beginning.

So with Biden leading on policy, why is he trailing in the polls? Is it frontrunner syndrome, people jumping on the bandwagon of one of the people they think might win, rather than the candidate who appears to show the ability to do the job?

Not only that, but after every debate, Biden was clearly identified as a winner (if not THE winner).

Unless I were an committed supporter of either of the frontrunners, knowing they are going to be there at the finish line, I would be looking to support my favorite of the darkhorses. Could be Richardson, or Kucinich, or Edwards, but I personally just think Biden is head and shoulders above the entire field.


I agree (0.00 / 0)
It's time to start loooking past the superficial parts of these candidates and look at the issues.  I was previously with Mrs. Clinton, but after further scrutiny and seeing Biden's performances in the debates and all public settings, he's the one.  He's the democrat that WILL not just can but WILL win in 2008.  The Republicans can't take him to task on family issues (he's been married for 30 years and commuted daily as a single father to tuck his children in). They can't take him to task on foreign policy (he's the only one with an Iraq plan and would crush them).  And they certainly can't take him to task on domestic issues (HE'S A DEMOCRAT).

Let's go Joe, Let's go Joe...I feel the tremors...


[ Parent ]
I think Barack Obama mispoke a little here. (4.00 / 3)
"I am the only candidate committed to decreasing the influence wielded by Washington lobbyists so that our much-needed and long-overdue investments in infrastructure focus on safety and our long-term competitiveness rather than wasteful earmarks for special interests."

I think John Edwards has asked the entire Democratic Party, including all presidential candidates, to stop taking federal lobbyist money.  I heard him say this at Yearly Kos.

Perhaps there is a way to parse that sentence with its multiple clauses into making it "true," although I don't see how.  Nonetheless, I think it is incorrect. Just an error.  I am not accusing anyone of anything. Just an incorrect statement.

That said, I hope Barack Obama joins John Edwards in asking the entire Democratic Party to stop taking federal lobbyist money. I understand Senator Obama is not taking federal lobbyist money now.  That's good.  I also understand John Edwards never has taken such money. That's even better.


Biden far and away (0.00 / 0)
When I lived in New York and could take the train to work, even if I had to stand, I could at least read the paper. Now, in Austin, I am stuck in traffic and am completely unproductive and, of course, I am polluting all the way. Biden practices what he preaches by taking Amtrak. He really sees the value of public transportation from the front lines with real people. He isn't talking theory. He is talking experience.

Biden the clear winner (4.00 / 2)
Once again Joe Biden proves that he has a plan that makes sense.  Who else can claim they use public transit to commute to work?

  Obama is leading -- who are we kidding!  What did he say about policy? nothing!  he simply regurgitates his single answer for everything--- lobbyists are to blame.  Once again Obama demonstrates his lack of understanding... since when was broadband internet part of infrastructure? and I am sorry but the disadvantaged rural and urban communities need safe bridges, roads and public transit long before they will ever need to check their e-mail.


I think "disadvantaged" urban and rural communities (4.00 / 2)
need both "hard" infranstructure like bridges and roads, but also "soft" infrastructure like broadband internet.  The digital divide is real.  Class affects access to teh internet and children in inner cities and rural areas are falling behind. It is not an either/or.  The answer is both.

There are jobs in having broadband access available. 


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Random Reactions (4.00 / 2)
Obama is the only candidate committed to decreasing the influence wielded by Washington lobbyists?

Maybe he missed this press release.

Yeah, lobbyists and earmarks are a problem, but I somehow Obama's response doesn't sound right.

Dodd's bi-partisan measure looks very good for dealing with traditional infrastructure.

I am a big supporter of national rail, and I like Biden's support of it.  However, I'm not sure that commuting on Amtrak is a great justification of why you'll be a great president.  If it was, maybe I should run for President.  After all, according to Alexa, I get more traffic on my personal blog then Biden gets for his campaign website.

Those who know me, know that I'm an Edwards supporter.  I am very glad to see his comments about addressing the infrastructure of the 21st century, and not just older infrastructures.  Ideally, I like a mix of Edwards, Dodd and  Biden, probably in that order.

Hillary's laundry list, hits all of the right items, but doesn't communicate a commitment to any of it the way Edwards, Dodd and Biden do.

Anyway, that's my thoughts.

 


Aldon - I agree with you. (4.00 / 2)
I like the Edwards infrastructure.  Amtak was the chose Rail system and what has happened, several train wrecks, and high cost.

The rail across the country in terrible shape and why? There is no reason why cities across America can not go to above groud high power mono rails, but the car industry for years has lobbyed against it for the use of single driver automobiles.

Leaving us totally dependent on Oil.

All votes should count - one vote/one person.


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Swing in the dark (0.00 / 0)
Mr. Hynes,

Imagine my surprise to see you jumping on the Edwards bandwagon regarding the reform issue. Since yearly kos, former Senator Edwards has been scrambling for traction using this matter. Hurray for John, that is fine with me. Ethics reform is certainly a worthy cause, but please don't try to throw Senator Obama under the bandwagon, ..err, the bus to do it.

Take a stroll down what we hopemongers like to call Ethics and Lobbying Reform

or
Obama Calls on House to Pass Ethics Reform Legislation that Includes Bundling Disclosure dated May 17, 2007.

or
Obama pledges open government, accountability during C.F. stop, as posted on WCFCourier

To aid accountability, Obama said he would post all non-emergency bills online for five days before he signed them into law, allowing Americans a chance to weigh in on the legislation. In addition, he said he would post all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies online.

Obama said he would require cabinet officials to speak to Americans via national broadband town-hall style meetings to discuss issues at their respective agencies. He also pledged to restore meaning to the Freedom of Information Act, and said he would issue an executive order that information must be released to those seeking it unless it could harm a protected interest.

Obama noted his record of backing ethics and lobbying reforms, including co-authoring a bill that requires all government spending to be posted online -- allowing anyone to do a simple Internet search and find that information. During his time as a state lawmaker, he said he helped to create hospital report cards so that patients could understand the quality of care offered at each hospital.


SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
Buses (4.00 / 4)
I have no intention of throwing Sen. Obama under the bandwagon or bus.  I just don't think he should be claiming he is the only one fighting for ethics and lobbying reform.  As an Edwards supporter, I highlighted his work for lobbying reform.  If I were a McCain supporter, I could have illustrated his efforts.

And while it does relate peripherally to infrastructure, I would have liked to hear him speak more about infrastructure the way Dodd, Biden and Edwards did.


[ Parent ]
Point noted (0.00 / 0)
I am sure that you know that John Edwards is petitioning Obama to join him on the Ethics Crusade.

Pardon my previous tone, but a clear distinction needs to be made, as Senator Obama has been working hard on this issue from way back, as a community organizer and state senator.

I am glad that we have more than a handful of candidates that know that lobbyists rarely represent "real people".
Hats off to all that do.

I would have preferred that Obama's response be more pointed towards the topic. Politics?

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
My take on Lobbyists (4.00 / 1)
I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent, but I think some of the focus on Lobbyists is a little misguided, and I even agree with something Hillary said about paying attention to who is lobbying for whom.

I've long been saying that what we need is not fewer lobbyists, but more lobbyists.  We need every person at BlueHampshire, every voter in New Hampshire, to be a citizen lobbyist.  We need retail politics.  We need primaries in small states where people actually get to meet candidates.

That is why I like Edwards and Obama best.  To me, they are doing more to get people involved than the rest of the candidates.


[ Parent ]
Open and transparency in government (4.00 / 1)
is all well and good - but as long as Congress is accepting contributions from moneyed interest, Washington lobbyists and PACs - ethics legislation can easily be bypassed.  We need both.

[ Parent ]
Since Yearly Kos (0.00 / 0)
seems a bit unfair. Edwards has been fighting for lobbyist reform since way before that and has NEVER taken federal lobbyist or PAC money.

Your response to Aldon seems a bit unfair. Neither Aldon (nor Edwards for that matter) is throwing anyone under the bus, except maybe the lobbyists. He was not criticizing Obama's commitment whatsover. What is being criticized is Obama's claim here that he is the only one with that committment.


[ Parent ]
The rules stipulate, (0.00 / 0)
but the text did not need to front load the reform point.

However, from personal experience while working on the "Tip" O'Neill tunnel in Boston; lobbying and construction go hand and hand. Are you picking up, what I'm laying down, brother?

So the lead may be more poignant than you may think.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
Of course lobbying and construction go hand in hand (0.00 / 0)
dont need to work in Boston to know that. You seem to have missed the point.

[ Parent ]
Why did Blue Hampshire (2.00 / 2)
allow Hillary to break the rules?
If candidate Hillary can't follow the rules for a simple statement - and if we ignore her breaking the rules - what does that say about a Hillary prez administration?

[ Parent ]
I won't speak for Mike and the site (4.00 / 3)
But my own view is that our readers are best served when we present candidate responses, rather than refuse to do so.

You can make up your own mind on what to read into the response.

My view is, the campaign is keeping tighter control of its message: there are fewer staffers authorized to say "I am the only candidate" or "Hillary is the only candidate."


[ Parent ]
Close . . . but no cigar? (0.00 / 0)
I must respectfully disagree with Elwood on one small but important point.  I think Clinton allows herself some wiggle room by having others respond for her in the third person.  For that reason, I wish the blog moderators would re-think their position.  We need to be able to hold these people personally accountable for what they say, and we won't be able to do it when they allow someone else to be their mouthpiece.

[ Parent ]
As I said, (4.00 / 1)
make up your own mind on how to interpret the response.

You have done that.

If Mike Caulfield had said "Campaign X's submission did not follow the rules, so we won't post it" you wouldn't have been able to.


[ Parent ]
The bigger picture. (4.00 / 1)
I think it far more important to our political system that we not allow candidates to get away with making statements through others they can later deny.  Hillary Clinton has been playing the semantics game all of her career, public and private; and I for one think it's time she had her feet held to the fire.  The woman wants to be president, so now she should be willing stick with what she says, even through others.

[ Parent ]
I feel your pain (4.00 / 1)
I wish we could force it but we can't.  In the end, I agree with elwood and the BH editors.  Having an open, accessible, all-inclusive dialogue is more important.

Plus, her answers speak for themselves.  Maybe they like being the only ones who don't follow the rules because it makes them seem nonconformist or different.  In terms of marketing, it's a great move.  For anyone who actually reads into the messaging, however, a not so attractive picture emerges.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship


[ Parent ]
Self-interest is blinding. (0.00 / 0)
The flaw in the logic is obvious:  allow candidates to give shielded answers because any answer is better than nothing.  Better in what sense? Better for this blog?  Or better for our political system?

If a candidate chooses not to comform to the rules, why should any candidate conform to anything?  I say having no response from a candidate for the reason that he or she violated rules speaks volumes.  To do otherwise is to allow candidates to hide behind screens when these comments are to later come back to haunt them.

Hillary will look straight in to the camera lense and say, "I never said that.  Check your facts."


[ Parent ]
Oh, sod off. (0.00 / 0)
Better for this blog? Or better for the political system?

You're personally attacking, and questioning the motives of, anyone who disagrees with you.

Take it somewhere else.


[ Parent ]
In my opinion, (4.00 / 2)
regularly printing the Clinton campaign's response as is speaks volumes over leaving it out.

Without fail, responses that fail to follow the guidelines receive criticism.

birch, finch, beech


[ Parent ]
Importance of Information (4.00 / 2)
I agree with Dean and Mike that it is important to get all the information about the candidates that we can. I believe that it is important for everybody to make an informed decision.

I chose to work for Joe Biden because of the strength of his ideas and the strength of his character and I think that he will win the New Hampshire primary for those reasons. Despite this (or perhaps because of it) I still believe that we should have a response from every candidate regardless of how they choose to answer.

As Senator Biden says, "let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good." People will go to the polls on Primary Day facing an incredibly important and difficult decision, what good comes out of handicapping them by not giving them all the facts?

The Biden Campaign continues to do our best to follow the rules of the Blue Hampshire Straw Poll out of respect for the website. Whether others choose to respect those rules are up to them, but their voice should still be heard.

Let's have a full and honest debate.


[ Parent ]
It looks cut and pasted though (0.00 / 0)
but agreed better to have a response than nothing. Guess it does speak for itself.

I don't think the reason why is tigher message control though, more the opposite - that on decisions like these she may have very little involvment. Thats what the statement says to me.


[ Parent ]
My take on it.. (4.00 / 1)
As a fierce Jeffersonian democrat, I don't have a problem with BlueHampshire posting responses from people not following the rules.  I think the readers here are smart enough to look at the rules and then decide who is really addressing the issues.

The results of the votes so far reinforce my belief in a Jeffersonian view of democracy and in the readers at BlueHampshire.


[ Parent ]
You're joking, right? (0.00 / 0)
I think BH's format and 200-word limit for the straw poll should not be compared to the U.S. Consitution.

However, cmdrfoley -- what's with the troll ratings? You seem to be doing it a lot in this thread.



[ Parent ]
Obama is resorting to lying now? (0.00 / 0)
Obamsa makes the false claim that he is the ONLY candidate committed to decreasing the influence of Washington lobbyists!  This man knows that to be a lie.  Joe Biden has been calling for public financing of elections--which is the only way to get the lobbyists out of the game they play---since first taking office in 1972.  Obama is about 34 years behind Joe Biden on this score.

"Lying" is strong (0.00 / 0)
Theoretically one could lobby as a road-building contractor, and the lobbying would be directed toward sitting legislators and therefore be distinct and separate from lobbying candidates for office, which would be addressed by public financing. Duke Cunningham's boat served no reelection purpose.

In short, one can praise the Honorable Joseph Biden without accusing the Honorable Barack Obama of lying.


[ Parent ]
I like Edwards broadband policy. (4.00 / 1)
The broadband issue may not be one that is understood/discussed by a lot of people yet, but it is of vital importance. Edwards, as usual, is one step ahead!

And I like it that Edwards has clearly defined policies on a large number of issues. He could have presented more here if he chose to ignore the format like Hillary did!


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Did not intend to post my comment under "Obama is lying" (4.00 / 1)
(But since I have ended up here... I will add that I was surprised with Senator Obama's claim to an issue where Edwards and also Biden were way ahead of him. Maybe it is not so much a lie as a hope that we are too uninformed to know the positions of the others.)

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Edwards Price Tag (0.00 / 0)
What makes Edwards supporters believe that he doesn't have a political price lobbyist funded or not?  Anyone vain enough to worry about his hair that much is not above being complemented to act if not paid to do so for interests in DC.


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Broadband kills? (0.00 / 0)
When was the last time (or for that matter even the first) that collapsing broadband killed anyone?  This is an elitist position Edwards has taken.  Broadband?  The underclass in this country doesn't even have enough money to pay for rent and heat, let alone the computer and monthly charges that go with having internet access! Our highway and rail systems need ongoing maintenance and modernization.  This will create J O B S for average people and not put more money in the pockets of people like Bill Gates.

This Internet-only/Internet for everyone standard---by which we are all expected not only to have a computer and internet access, but also expected to keep replacing these cheap pieces of crap---will do more to plunge people into desperate poverty, creating a permanent underclass, than anyone might dare to imagine.

Now, I can mail a letter for 41 cents.  But, if the Bill Gateses of this world have their way, regular postal services will become a thing of the past and I will be shut out of the ability to mail a letter unless I pay for a computer and internet access.

The "incovenient truth" is: Edwards suffers from rich man's disease.


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This is ignorant. (4.00 / 2)
There's a reason that the civic leaders in rural communities are banding together to get broadband to their underserved towns: broadband brings jobs. Businesses of all types are far less willing to locate in an area where there is no high-speed broadband.

And yes, degraded access to broadband and information technology can indeed kill, when people cannot get fast, well informed medical diagnoses.


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Please Define Ignorant (0.00 / 0)
I think you are living in the same world that Edwards lives in and calling someone's ideas ignorant is an ad hominem attack unworthy of the discussed ideas.  More people die from incorrect dosages than incorrect diagnoses.

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Ignorant: (0.00 / 0)
Unaware of the facts relevant to the matter under discussion.

It is not an ad hominem attack. It is about the statement, not the person.


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A Harvard Professor once said . . . (0.00 / 0)
"There is nothing that can be done with a computer which cannot be done with a pencil and paper."--Professsor Stephen Jay Gould.  To that I would add the word telephone.  The fastest and most reliable way to get medical information is by making a simple phone call, then obtaining the hard copies of your medical records.  Electronic medical records certainly have a place in this society but not at the expense of what Professor Gould calls "authenticity."  An electronic record is easily changed to conceal medical mistakes or even total malfeasance.
....
The 2003 study (conducted by 3 PhDs and 4 MD's) entitled "Death by Medicine" concluded that a close examination of paper medical records showed that the medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in this country---800,000 wrongful deaths and 20 million injuries each year!

Insist that any proposal to make electronic medical recordas the standard include a mandatory provision for contemporaneous paper trails.  If this does not happen, expect the numbbers of deaths and injuries to rise even further while the numbers found in studies to be increasingly unrealistic.  Electronic records can be altered . . . and they will be.


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What a foolish statement by Gould. (0.00 / 0)
I wonder if it makes any sense in its full context.

"Calculate pi to 10,000 places in five minutes."

"Translate a page from English to a language you do no know in five seconds."


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Too busy trying to manage my computer's problems. (0.00 / 0)
I have had to replace 5 computers in the last 2 years.  What about back-ups you say?  Oh yes, I took the time to back-up all my data . . .only to learn that most of the files were actually empty, bearing only the indicia of back-up files. Microsoft seems to feel it perfectly acceptable that I pay $95 an hour to some guy in India who is paid about $20 a day to work for 11 hours on trying to solve my computer's problems without success.

The computer industry is guilty of creating the very sort of ill will that we are now dealing with from overseas with their exploitive and predatory practices both here and abroad.  Prisoners are hired to work on credit applications.  Outside contractors masquerade as employees. And now we are being his with added charges on our insurance and utility bills and mortage payments if we do not consent to allowing our bank accounts to be picked at will by corporations.

The greatest threat to the right of privacy is the Internet and the unthinking technophiles who, safe in their mother's pouch, view the loss of privacy as insignificant and expendable as they blindly reach for the succor on the nipple of change.


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Knowing Gould's work a bit (0.00 / 0)
He likely remembered that computers can do things faster. His point probably was that computers have no independent knowledge. They only know what humans have taught them.



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Emergency services in rural towns (0.00 / 0)
depend upon cutting down time issues.

Broadband access is one way to achieve fast communication of data.

Broadband access in rural areas is absolutely a safety issue.

Some EMS workers, if I recall correctly, were quoted a few months back strongly opposing the Verizon sale to Fairpoint along those lines.

birch, finch, beech


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Dude? (0.00 / 0)
He has to put "I am the only candidate".

If obeying the rules is lying, then................................................................Chaos...........................................Anarchy............THE SKY IS FALLING!

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


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But he can follow those words (4.00 / 2)
with a short description of what is truly unique in his infrastructure position.

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Emoticons (4.00 / 1)
What is the one for, "what can I say?"

This was not Baracks strongest showing. He is a plugger though, so keep your mind open.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


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Actually (0.00 / 0)
looking at Clinton's example he doesn't have to follow the format :). Doesn't look like she even tried.

But if he does, it should be a true statement. He could have started it with focusing on his comprehensive plan, which may indeed be unique. His opening statement, though, is inaccurate.


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It's easy to call for public financed elections (2.00 / 2)
but for 34 years Biden hasn't been calling for lobbying reform - while accepting Washington lobbyists donations.

John Edwards has led the way on rejecting donations from Washington lobbyists and PACs - and Rupert Murdoch.  But so far - all Dem candidates are mum about Murdoch donations. Apparently, they want MORE media consolidation - and MORE rightwing media shaping public opinion for Republicans.

Hillary/Murdoch08


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Check Facts (0.00 / 0)
I think you need to check your campaign finance facts before criticizing any candidate, especially Biden.  Where does Hill get her cash?

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She doesn't like Hillary (0.00 / 0)
... and I'd like to see such vigilance extended to all the candidate, not "especially" Biden. :)


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Biden has cash? Somebody give Joe a call and tell him that! (0.00 / 0)
The Biden warchest currently stands at about 3 million dollars on hand, whereas Hillary Clinton's cash on hand (about 43 million) exceeds that of all the Republican candidates combined.  It sounds to me like BIG BUSINESS has decided to cross party lines and give their money to the candidate they feel they can trust to talk our of both sides of her mouth.

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My bad Scrivener01 (0.00 / 0)
Sorry for keeping you here, lingering on BH.

Feel free to take the Biden Rapid Response crew back to MyDD.

Props to Joe's crew for the mad roll out, but light on the "mad" next time please.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


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If Smugness, Inc. ever goes public . . . . (0.00 / 0)
You'll be a very rich man.

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Biden's got it! (4.00 / 1)
Senator Biden brings not only the knowledge and experience like no other candidate, but also the passion of no other candidate.

After all is said and done, after all is discussed and debated, I think Joe Biden has the answers and solutions...and truthfully pragmatic and implementable ones.

At any rate, look at his record. The COPS program, the FIRE act, his life history, the Violence Against Women Act...so many things he's done...From leading the fight to act in Rwanda, to succeeding to shoot that call for action to Clinton for the Balkans, and now in Darfur....to all of his accomplishments both personal and in policy in a more than three decade career in the Senate since he was elected at only 29.

Biden has the capacity to affect real change for the better in the Oval Office.

Biden 2008!


Edwards leads on broadband policy (2.67 / 3)
and should be a wakeup call to those supporting candidates accepting fundraisers and donations from Rupert Murdoch whose media empire promotes the Telecom industry.

Hillary/Murdoch08


Can anyone say.... (4.00 / 2)
Net Neutrality!

God help us if AT&T have their way.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


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Again -- (0.00 / 0)
Why is it necessary to trash another candidate to boost your candidate?

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Biden's Real Solutions (4.00 / 1)
Once again, Joe Biden has shown a depth of understanding and thoughtful programs that can make change possible.  Knowing on the most intimate level what commuters deal with and what the infrastructure needs are make him the top person again to reunify America.

The overarching rationale. (4.00 / 1)
In his 34 years in the United States Senate Joe Biden has proven himself to be a man who knows how to put together a bi-partisan consensus on matters of critical national importance. Biden lead the effort to keep ultra-conservative Robert Bork off the Supreme Court and he did this while sacrificing his own run for the presidency in 1988.  Instead of defending himselh against attacks on his character orchestrated by John Sasso of the Dukakis campaign, Joe Biden put the interests of the country first.  By withdrawing in '88, Joe Biden was able to build a consensus against Bork with such precision that even President Reagan had to acknowledge Bork was a bad choice.

This is but one example, of potentially hundreds, that goes to the central question in this election.  That question is not who is the most popular among Democrats; it is, who has the best chance of getting elected by people of all political stripes, thereby uniting the country again so we can finally get back to dealing with the business of this nation in a rational and measured way.

That person is Joe Biden.


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Joe Biden (4.00 / 1)
Joe seems to be the only candidate with sound ideas on domestic issues such as these and then also on foreign policy matters also. He can see the correlation between infrastructure and the economy as well as the environment. Can't understand why he hasn't taken off. He appears much more multi-faceted than the rest.

Does This Mean Kucinich and Richardson . . . (0.00 / 0)
. . . didn't answer your questions?

Or did you choose not to include their comments?

Just a question -- I noticed you included answers from others who are polling as poorly as Dennis (Biden, Dodd) and Richardson seems to have more support than the other three I mentioned.


Mike is away (0.00 / 0)
... but it looks like they didn't answer.

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In the past (0.00 / 0)
others have been put up as they've come in.

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I can't speak for the others (0.00 / 0)
but Congressman Kucinich was in-state this week, and the staff didn't have time to write up an infrastructure response.

http://kucinich.hous...

Congressman Kucinich and fellow Ohio Congressman Steven LaTourette announced the (bipartisan) "Rebuilding America's Infrastructure Act of 2007" on August 3. They have introduced similar legislation in each of the last 3 Congresses.

NH Kucinich Campaign


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I think it's interesting (4.00 / 1)
how many people from away came out of the wood work in this thread. Though I haven't noticed any increased participation in the other threads. I wonder what brought people here?

Look at the poll numbers (0.00 / 0)
85+ votes cast..  and a lot of newly minted users commenting.

Blue Hampshire is becoming a battle ground for campaign surrogates.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship


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I actually don't mnd the voting (4.00 / 3)
I mean -- i figure it's going to happen, so embrace it.

But wish they'd comment.

Of course, when the comment is "Woo Hoo -- my candidate is awesome and yours is crap!!!" maybe we're lucky there are no comments.



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Rapid Response (0.00 / 0)

These "teams" are used by the campaigns that get the non-MSM movement. I doubt that I am telling you something that you don't already know.

The double edge sword to "rapid response" is that the teams don't have a disciplined core that can frame the tone of the content.

I love to participate in brisk discourse over political topics, but it is deleterious to the overall cause when things, just "git ignant".

Now I don't claim to have maintianed myself above that level throughout, but I would hope that any individual be permitted to wander. As long as the overall tendency is towards elevation of the topics. Besides, its fun to dig and spew, here and there.

When a posse strolls into town though, they can leave an impression that will linger. That impression may not serve the candidate they elect to promote, very well.

But, Biden is in the eye of the beholder.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


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I dunno (4.00 / 1)
I don't see Chris Dodd's campaign interacting with BH in this fashion, and I'd say from their involvement here that they "get" the netroots.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship

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I was using broad strokes (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't trying to say that using a Rapid Response Team is the only indicator of those that "get" netroots. Of course, should a campaign not "get" the dawn of a new democracy, they likely do not have a RRT.

I have enjoyed BH, the last few days. The self policing of the forum around NHDaughter, the variety of diaries and the onslaught of a RRT.

BH has demonstrated itself to be a fine forum, where delibrate examination of the candidates, the process and the cause reigns.

Respect for most, malice towards none.


SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


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I should say (0.00 / 0)
There's been a of great discussion here too...



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We should be taking Biden seriously. (0.00 / 0)
  Is it me, or does Joe Biden always seem to make sense? Whether it is with regards to a position on a topic like infrastructure or a debate on national security, Biden always seems to get the picture and is able to present it in a way that makes you realize he has actually been thinking about the issue, and isn't looking to advisors to form his position.
  I would like to see what the top tier would look like if there were true campaign finance reform.

Infrastructure Poll Biden and Hillary win (0.00 / 0)
Joe Biden has always suggested reasonable solutions to complex problems.  For example, his approach to the Iraq war is well thought out and not at all like the knee jerk reactions from some of the other people, Obama's executive order as first thing.  Senator Biden is in my opinion the most qualified candidate in the democratic field.  His long service in critical commitees in the Senate give him a broad and mature prospective.

Hillary Clinton's approach to the infrastructure issue is comprehensive and well thought out; but a little bit unfair because it does not fit the groundrules.

Both of these people are very credible candidates for the presidency.  While he didn't respond to this survey, I would add Bill Richardson to my list of credible candidates.

Not on my list is Senator Obama, I just don't think he has the experience or the chops for the job at this point.  I think he especially lacks in practical international relations.  But I do not dismiss him, I think he will be a strong candidate in a future election cycle.


I do think it's interesting that the Infrastructure Bank Bill (4.00 / 3)
of Dodd's was put together long in advance of the Minn. disaster.

I think that gets props -- although in general I think most Democrats have realized how poorly we have done with infrastructure.

I do hope though that the Minn. disaster doesn't make us miss the broader issues around infrasructure, oth in terms of it's importance to progress and in terms of our need to make sure that progress doesn't erode the commons.




Though you might not expect it (4.00 / 4)
I voted for Biden in this poll because he mentioned commuter rail in NH.

Not having to drive to Lowell when I commute would be great, especially in the winter when the weather and traffic can put you in a tight spot as far as making the train goes. If I miss the train, I've got to slog on to Alewife.

I like what Dodd had to say, too. I see him, essentially, as the man of action. Everybody's a Senator and they talk about what sort of programs they would endorse in the Congress if they were President, but Dodd's just saying "this is what I've done, this is what I'm doing right now, and this is what I'd like to do in the future." On Infrastructure? "Well, here's the infrastructure bill I've been working on for a while..." I like that Dodd's actually getting things done, rather than just talking about getting things done. He's working and he's campaigning.


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I was driving around today (4.00 / 1)
scoping out the area around the Rt. 111 bridge to Hudson.  I'm starting to become really happy that the commuter rail station won't be going in down by the old chemical plant on the D.W.

There appear to be a couple good sites on or around E. Hollis St. which would work into the city's intermodal transportation picture perfectly.  A shuttle could come from Main St. to the railyard, or just use the city buses, but either way it's better than having to drive all the way to the south end just to avoid driving into Boston.

It'll also "bring up" the neighborhood, which is one of the most underdeveloped and run-down in all of town, IMO.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship


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NH Commuter Rail (0.00 / 0)
Agreed. It's going to be great for New Hampshire. It's going to go all the way up to Berlin and will offer a great alternative to driving.

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Do you have any information on that? (0.00 / 0)
Getting up to Nashua shouldn't be a big problem, because we're relatively close to Lowell and it shouldn't be very difficult to accommodate train scheduling.

Going up to Berlin is a different story. That would be one long trip by train (to anywhere) and you wonder how development, maintenance, and operations would be paid for. That's a much more ambitious proposal than any I've heard (where the farthest north anyone dreams the train going is Concord).

  There are some people who are satisfied by the existing bus service from Nashua to South Station (I'm not one of them, because it doesn't work with my schedule -- I know at worst I can catch the midnight train out of North Station to Lowell, but catching a, if I recall correctly, 10:00pm bus is a little bit less dependable..), because their are huge questions about cost and how much it's actually going to be used.


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Richardson's (0.00 / 0)
I accept the premise of his answer, about infrastructure improvements helping the economy, but boy those figures seem high.  Any detail?


Kucinich's (0.00 / 0)
That's an interesting idea. I don't understand bond financing well enough to know how good an idea it is, but it sounds good.




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