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How About A December New Hampshire Presidential Primary?

by: Rep. Jim Splaine

Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 22:15:25 PM EDT


( - promoted by Dean Barker)

As way of introduction to this idea, if you've been hearing my commentary in Blogs and speeches about the New Hampshire Presidential Primary for a while, you'll note that I've been rather close in some of my predictions.  Since I've been working on the cause of keeping New Hampshire "first" and "relevant" longer than most, dating back to the early 1970s, I have seen a lot of strategies employed -- both by our state, and others, and participated in some of those strategies. 

When the Democratic National Committee began playing games with the schedule some two years ago and a lot of people said New Hampshire wouldn't survive their sanctions, I said we would, we'd remain "first," and we'd be ahead of Nevada.  At this point, Nevada is quite irrelevant to the discussion, and they certainly won't come before us.  And about a year ago I suggested we might even see the NH Primary scheduled in the first two weeks of January, when most others thought it might be January 22nd.  Now, January 8th is about the latest most people are anticipating that it will be. 

Well, now I'd like to introduce another thought -- for others' comments and talk --and that's of a December date. 

Just during the past couple of days, there have been strong indications that both Democrats and Republicans in Iowa have determined that they are going to have their Caucuses on Thursday, January 3rd.  There is also a possibility the Republicans will hold their Caucus on that date, with the Democrats going Saturday, January 5th. 

In light of that, let's do some serious thinking about the options for the date of the New Hampshire First-In-The-Nation Primary, and also take a look at our opportunities. 

If Iowa does go January 3rd or 5th, the problem with setting our date for Tuesday, January 8th would be that for the entire Holiday Season, the Presidential candidates of both parties may well camp out in Iowa.  It's not that we should be jealous about that.  That's not the point.  But the Iowa Caucus is not a real election --  it is an organizational event where it takes intense staff and special interest groups to get their most dedicated supporters to the meeting rooms throughout Iowa on a cold Winter night to stand up, publicly, and "be counted" for their choice.  In other words, it's not much of a secret vote, like a "real" election is.  The New Hampshire Primary IS a real election, where people go to the polls and vote in privacy to choose their nominee.  A Caucus isn't much more than a straw poll, which Iowa's Republicans already had -- a straw poll without the right to vote in secret.

I have no problem with the Iowa Caucus going first before New Hampshire, as has been traditional back to 1972, but I've been concerned that the Iowa Caucus this election cycle is potentially having way too much influence on whether candidates of either party will even remain as candidates after that event is held.  It is very likely we'll see some candidates drop out after Iowa, even though a real election won't even have occurred yet.

So, with the very serious possibility that the Iowa Caucuses will be on January 3rd, New Hampshire now has to make a choice.  Should we have our primary right after Iowa, with a reduced "window" between it and us, or use this opportunity to have our Presidential Primary during the first two weeks of December?  The second Tuesday in December is the 11th, and that date would do some interesting things for us:

1.  A NH Primary on or around December 11th would give the Presidential candidates of both parties an opportunity to focus on real voters for the next two months.  Our Secretary of State has already announced the Presidential Primary filing period for October 15th to November 2nd.  By filing their candidacies, that's the best "pledge" to run here that we can get from the candidates themselves.  So by November 2nd, we'll know for sure who is on the ballot, and those ballots can go to the printers.  If about the time the filing period ends he sets our official date for sometime during the first two weeks of December, that prevents any other state from jumping ahead of us -- thus guaranteeing our state law requirement of "...7 days or more..." before a similar election.  Plus, it pre-dates Iowa by a good three weeks.

2.  A NH Primary on or around December 11th would encourage the Presidential candidates and their campaigns to spend intensive, quality time here for all of November into the first week or two of December.  We could ask for nothing better for democracy than having some concentrated time with the candidates -- face to face, eye to eye, one-on-one, New Hampshire-style; before the campaigning in the bigger states which vote on January 29th and February 5th really gets underway.

3.  A NH Primary on or around December 11th would mean that after our event, the "winners" and those "exceeding expectations" would be exposed to a great deal of nationwide analysis during the Holiday Season as to just why they did so well, or not, and how their showing in New Hampshire will affect the next race in Iowa and other states beginning the first week of January.  That contributes to the respected "impact" of the NH lead-off primary, and sets us in good position to remain first and relevant for 2012 and beyond. 

4.  A NH Primary on or around December 11th would considerably "backload" the "frontloading" of the current schedule, where so many states are going to be holding their election events on January 29th and February 5th.  Face it, if the contests begin on January 3rd in Iowa, then New Hampshire (8th?), then maybe Nevada (12th?), then Michigan (15th), then South Carolina (19th), with lots of states scheduled for January 29th and February 5th (Florida, New Jersey, New York, California, Connecticut, Tennessee, Georgia, Alaska, Minnesota, Missouri, and several others), it will all be over in a month.  If the NH Primary is moved up a full three weeks or so into December, we can fulfill the role of spreading out the process very, very well, and reduce the impact of the current frontloading.

5.  A NH Primary on or around December 11th would greatly enhance the importance of doing well in New Hampshire, yet allow candidates who don't finish so well some time to recover their campaigns.  No state, whether Iowa or New Hampshire or any other, should be able to by itself render the knock-out punch to a candidate.  We're not about that, nor should we let Iowa be. 

...more...

Rep. Jim Splaine :: How About A December New Hampshire Presidential Primary?
The New Hampshire First-In-The-Nation Presidential Primary has never been "about us."  And the law dating back to the 1970s giving our Secretary of State the authority to set the date of the NH Primary "...7 days or more..." before a similar election is meant to do more than just preserve a tradition.  The New Hampshire Presidential Primary is about continuing an election process where people can dream about running for President without having to sell their souls on the issues just to be popular, or sell their future administrations to special interests just to have the money to run.  By making sure that we continue to be relevant to the process, we're serving democracy.

Most of the presidential campaigns have been well underway for a year or more, so by setting our primary in December it's not like we're starting the election process itself any earlier.  And while we'd be losing the attention of the candidates in those weeks of the Holidays leading to January 8th, we'd be gaining their more intense campaigning here throughout November into December.

Consider that if we do go January 8th shortly after Iowa, the candidates will only have divided time between here and there in December, perhaps focusing on Iowa.  If we went to January 15th, the same day as Michigan's "beauty contest," we'd be sharing the January 16th headlines and impact with whatever happened in Michigan, and besides a lot of candidates would be spread out after Iowa from here, to Michigan, and to the South and West where other states are about to hold their contests within the following couple of weeks. 

And most importantly, we'd be contributing to spreading out the election calendar so that all the voters' decision-making isn't just from January 3rd through February 5th.

Give an early-December date some thought.  Talk about it.  Consider the alternatives.  I'm not necessarily proposing it yet, but I'm offering it to get us to think even more about our options, which is all part of the process of our Secretary of State setting our date.  I think he's listening to all ideas, and it's his decision to make rather soon.

I hope he's not drinking too much coffee.

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elections cost money (4.00 / 1)
The big question about moving the primary to December would be money.  Most towns use 1 Jan to 31 Dec as their fiscal year - an unplanned election at the close of the fiscal year could put a stress on those towns.

Fickle Voter Syndrome (0.00 / 0)
Having watched the activist minds at work on this matter, the jostling of the primary dates. I find myself lacking any sense of the laity.

Potentially on the doorstep of our 3rd consecutive, "most important election in history"; I am concerned about "Voter Fatigue".

Is there a danger How much will your average voter tire of the "political wrangling"? (They might not see the momentous stakes) And if voter turnout lags due to a "fatigue" factor, which candidates are more likely to suffer? The institutional or the grassroots candidate?

Having read your post a few times, I see a thoughtful analysis using an "if-then" logic. It is very process based and is predicated on a "build it and they will come" attitude.

If this thing becomes to convoluted and contrived, will they come?

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


How about a reality check? (4.00 / 5)
These are just a few reasons a December primary is a very bad idea:

1.  It will be the end of the primary going forward into the future.  While we'll still schedule one, the candidates won't come. Why? Because we will have proven what we have denied all these years: that we are arrogant people who only care about New Hampshire, and that we want to go first just because we want to go first, not because of grass roots politics, not because of our dedication to democracy. Say goodbye to the primay, and turn the lights off behind you! 

2.  There are about 48 states very unhappy with Michigan and Florida right now, for ignoring the party rules and moving their primaries up, exacerbating frontloading and putting chaos into the calendar.  New Hampshire needs allies to keep our position, If we go before Christmas, we will lose whatevere good will we have left.

3.  A December 11 primary will not enhance a candidate's chances nomination chances. It will make the results irrelevant.  Why? Because the results will be lost in the shuffle of the Thanksgiving, Christmas and other holidays, college football playoffs, and the three weeks before the Iowa caucus.  We will not matter - and frankly, if we move the primary into December, nearly a year before the general election, we don't deserve to matter.
  3 (a)  If I am wrong, and we do matter with a December primary, it is bad for the process.  The general election campaign is too long as it is, and if moving NH into December makes NH martter as much as Jim says, then shame on NH for making this an 11 month long general election process. How selfish of us, to put our interests ahead of what is right for the country as a whole.
  3 (b)  If I am right, there will not be an enhanced, intensive campaign before December 11.  It will be Iowa, between December 11 and January 3, that will be the beneficiary of about 22 days of intensive campaigning.  This idea makes Iowa even more important than ever, and renders NH a quirky, eccentric footnote in political history. 

  4. This idea is unfair to the people who are running for president. They have been running, in good faith, under the assumption that they will have the month of December to continue to continue to make their case to the people of New Hampshire, Iowa, and the other states.  Why would we  want to break faith with the candidates?  As you have often said, Jim, one of the things that could kill the primary is if the candidates stop coming here.

While I am not crazy about the idea of only five days between NH and Iowa (assuming a Jan. 3/ Jan. 8 schedule), it is a hell of a lot better than NH moving into December. Going into December is a bad idea - bad for NH, bad for the nomination process, bad for the general election.

Jim, you and Bill Gardner have worked tirelessly over the decades to protect the New Hampshire primary. Putting NH into December will be the death knell.  If you want to keep a week between Iowa and NH, schedule the primary for Jan. 10 - its a Thursday, but your amendment permits that. 
There are probably 25 other reasons, but it is only 8:15 a.m.; I'll post more later.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


All very good points. (0.00 / 0)
I don't think I have anything to add, but I wanted to put my vote here.

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Very good points (0.00 / 0)
The big ones, in summary, are that it hurts us in cycles future and it hurts those candidates who are counting on the extra month.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Good Points... (0.00 / 0)
All good points, so let's continue the discussion.  The discussion of options and alternatives is part of the date-setting process for the Secretary of State.  I think he listens. 

Kathy, I'd like to hear some of those other points you have when you do have time.  Consider what will/is happening in Iowa, and will likely happen throughout November and all of December if we don't use this unique opportunity to move into December.  The candidates are camping out there, in a state without a "real" election, just a caucus.  This process shouldn't be about Iowa any more than it shouldn't be about us.  I don't share your fear of 2012 and beyond, because the other states haven't ever been our fans, rules or not.  BUT, I share your concern about 2012, and we have to consider that. 


"real election" (0.00 / 0)
Jim, I hope this idea isn't based on the theory that NH should no longer come after the Iowa caucus. That milk was spilt a long time ago, and you can't put it back.  We should be trying to work with Iowa and the states other than Michigan and Florida that are trying to honor the traditional roles of Iowa and NH, not picking stupid fights that will come back and destroy our primary in the future.

Even if you don't worry about other states, you should worry abvout the candidates and the press. They will continue to come here in large numbers if we have our primary in January; they won't if we have our primary in December.  We will not be as irrelavant as the Wyoming caucus, but not much more. 

Listen, I've been on the phone and e mailing people ever since I saw your diary, and not one person, in the press or either party, thinks it is a good idea.



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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Tonight's GOP debate (4.00 / 1)
is in Michigan.

The GOP has not enforced penalties against Florida and Michigan for jumping the gun, nor have the Republican candidates pledged to not campaign there.

If the GOP WERE enforcing the party calendar, Gardner could take the position that Michigan and Florida are not "similar contests."

Despite Nanny Cullen's press releases, it is very clear that the GOP is failing to defend the primary.


One other point (4.00 / 1)
There is something wrong with this process, which I realized when a reporter asked me today how the Secretary of State makes his decision, and whether there is anyone who talks to him while he is considering his options. There is no formal mechanism for the public to give their input into the date setting. Here we are discussing the pros and cons on a blog - which is great, but wouldn't it be better if there was a mechanism for hearings, or comment, like we have for administrative rule setting and legislation?  Not everyone knows about BlueHampshire, or NHinsider, where Jim has also posted this blog. While it is ultimately the Secretary of State's decision, it is an awful position to put Bill Gardner in, not having a process where he can listen to the ideas of many people.



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


It's an insiders' issue (0.00 / 0)
If this were about (say) smoking bans everyone would have useful comments about how they would be affected, and restaurant and bar owners would have a separate perspective worth considering.

But people need to do a fair amount of research to usefully participate in the primary schedule discussion. They need to have some basic information:

  • What does New Hampshire law say?
  • What are the roles of the national parties?
  • How does campaign funding affect things -- e.g., does it make a lot of difference to get in a few days in an extra quarter?
  • What other elections are on the calendar? (We've got a November city election in Keene.)
  • What traditional primary events would be affected?
  • How have campaigns historically split time among Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and other states?
  • What does polling show about how far along New Hampshire voters are in picking their candidates?
  • What is the effect of scheduling primary elections on Tuesday versus Saturday or Sunday?
  • What do media analysts say about public attention to politics between Thanksgiving and Christmas?
  • What's the Old Farmers' Almanac say about the weather in December and January?

It's a good topic for other forums - Laura Knoy, Arnie. But It's not like The Will of the People can provide better judgment than Bill Gardner brings to the table...


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Michigan is no longer similar (0.00 / 0)
Now that (1) none of the Democrats are campaigning or spending money in Michigan (2) as of today, only a couple of Democratic candidates are even allowing their names to go on the Michigan ballot and (3) the DNC Rules committee will probably vote not to seat Michigan's delegates anyway, Michigan is no longer a similar event. This gives Bill Gardner even more flexibility, as he no longer has to pay any attention to the Jan. 15th event. If Iowa goes on the 3rd, then NH can go on the 15th, and have a full 12 days after Iowa!



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


But it IS similar (0.00 / 0)
on the Republican side.

I don't think he can fairly say, "Hey, it only hurts the GOP side of our primary, so no harm."


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Not similar (4.00 / 2)
The Republicans have said they will strip Michigan of at least half their delegates, so it is not similar.  Also, "similar" means generally the same, and if it is not a delegate selection event on one side, and no candidates are campaigning on that side, then it is not generally the same, because in NH, both primaries are delegate selection events, and all the candidates are campaigning on both sides.  I had this conversation with a state rep a couple of weeks ago who is on the election law committee, and he said that the SoS already had the flexibilty to say Michigan was not similar. That was before this latest development, so I would guess this would make it even less similar.  No one will second guess Bill Gardner on determining that it is not a similar event. He has the discretion to make the call that it is not similar.



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


[ Parent ]
Bill Gardner said today (10/10) (4.00 / 1)
that because of the Republicans, Michigan IS similar, and the NH primary will be no later than Jan 8th.

[ Parent ]
Is anybody from New Hampshire on the rules committee? (0.00 / 0)
n/t

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Yup (0.00 / 0)
NH traditionally has a member on the Rules Committee. Currently, the NH member is Senator Martha Fuller Clark.

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


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What if the candidates skip NH? (0.00 / 0)
I agree with everything Kathy Sullivan has posted here and would add two thoughts:

  1. What if the DNC or RNC not only strips NH of delegates, but also strips candidates of extra delegates if they campaign here-- ie not only takes away their nh delegates but a sizable chunk of delegates they win elsewhere.
Will the candidates still come? Who precisely do you think would stick up for New Hampshire in that scenario? (maybe Guam).I suspect there would be a merry dance on the grave of the NH primary, but the dance would be in 2008, not 2012.

  2. I think that Kathy touches on something when she points out the insularity with which Bill Gardner makes the primary decisions. I cant think of a single process in the world where it makes sense to devolve the entire decision making to a single person--- usually the more people involved in decision making the better the outcome. (that's sort of the part of the allure of democracy). In the future it might make sense to create a board of advisors for the secretary of state , with people like Tom Rath and Kathy Sullivan having real input on decisions. The workings of such a board could be made exempt from the Right to Know Law.
 

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


The current system has a purpose (0.00 / 0)
The reason the New Hampshire General Court has vested in the same man the position of Secretary of State for decades, and the reason he has been given wide liberty to set the date on his own, is because it's more efficient for one person to make the decision than for a committee, or a legislature.  It's by design that he can do it quickly, not announce the date he's thinking of until the last minute, and choose the date free of most scrutiny.  It has been decided that such a process is most likely to preserve the integrity and relevance of the Primary.  This is not like other issues, where more time and scrutiny are better.  That's why so many prominent figures come out in support of Secretary Gardner.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Input (0.00 / 0)
Douglas, under the current system there is no process for the Secretary of State to even solicit input from anyone - at all.  Even if you think the SoS should have unfettered discretion, shouldn't there be some vehicle for the people to give their opinion? Paul is right, this is a democracy, and it seems undemocratic that any official should have the unfettered discretion to make a decision without any public input.  I'm not talking about making the decision for him; I'm talking about at least providing for public input. This is about openess and transparency.

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


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Is there anything that prevents (0.00 / 0)
anyone from writing a letter to the Secretary of State's office?

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no (0.00 / 0)
But there isn't anything that requires him to read it, either.  The purpose of public hearings is to make sure that voices are heard.  I don't understand why this government action should be different from other government actions.  The decision maker(s) make their decisions after people who are interested have a chance to make their voices heard.  A lot of people may not be interested in weights and measures, but if there is legislation or rule making affecting weights and measures, there has to be a hearing. 


Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


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There certainly should be more input into (0.00 / 0)
the process, but there are many instances where having a single authority make a decision are best.  That's the whole point of the executive branch.

For the moment, Elections@sos.state.nh.us is worth a shot for anyone wanting to give Gardner their thoughts.


Where do we go from here?


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I agree. (0.00 / 0)
I agree with your sentiments on this, Kathy, my point is only that the current system of the Secretary's discretion has a purpose.  I'm not saying it's his mandate and that the legislature should never review it, only that there's a reason we do it the way we do.  I'm always for input, though, and in general, great transparency.  I challenge you to find another instance of my supporting a single non-elected official making a big decision without transparency, heh.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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i agree it has a purpose (4.00 / 1)
which is to maximize flexibility. I dont believe that what I suggested would impede the ability to reach quick decisions.
I termed it a board of "Avisers", well, advisedly. The ultimate decisions could still be made by the secretary of state.
All meetings of the advisers and secretary could be made confidential and not subject to review.

What it would do is to make sure that before the decision is made, more than one mind is applied to the problem. As an aside, Bill Gardner wont be Secretary forever, and a Board of advisors would be a way for the state to retain his input after he was not longer performing the other tasks of the Secretary.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


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In principle I agree with Jim (0.00 / 0)
In practice with Kathy.

Jim's emphasis on the importance of spacing out the results in order to keep any single state from determining the outcome seems exactly right to me. The problem isn't the order, it's the front-loading. An early December NH primary might have just the effect Jim suggests in this cycle: gets a lot of attention but is not definitive; focus shifts to Iowa.

But I agree with Kathy that the public at large and the brokers in the national parties would Not Be Amused. It is too easy to paint New Hampshire as motivated only by greed (a charge the numbers don't support, BTW).

We want to enter the post-nomination national discussion about the primary calendar with New Hampshire seen as reluctantly moving up only as far as we were pushed.


I agree with the intent, but not the solution. (0.00 / 0)
The affects of a front loaded calendar is terrible for the process.  Campaigns spend months in the field and then in a period of two weeks (or 5 days this time around) one or two candidates are catapulted to the front and the rest are written off as has beens because of what happens in Iowa and NH. 

But the notion that pushing the NH calendar forward will solve this problem is not born out by history--other states have just move up their primaries and we'll have other December primaries to contend with and the problem only grows.

When will we learn?  We need a well paced primary season that begins in February and ends in April at the earliest or into May.  It's great that Iowa and NH get the media attention and it certainly is true that organization and retail politics rule-which is good for the process.  But the importance of Iowa and NH has growth tenfold with this compressed schedule and that is bad for the process.

And having Iowa and the NH primary so soon after the holidays throws in an unknown.  How many id calls and door knocks will result in no one home a week before the election because people are away?  At least 4 days will be lost to XMass Eve/XMass and New Year's Eve/ NY's during crunch time for campaigns.  Out-of-state campaign staff will either go home for the holidays or stay around and be annoyed (to say the least) the week or two before the Primary--it won't help moral at all.  And all those college students flocking for a NH Primary experience during winter break will get one week of it (and spend the rest of the break in FL...Ok, some will see that as a plus.)

And if the primary was moved to December, then folks would not experience the "best" of a NH winter for canvassing, visibility and planting signs into the frozen ground.  Nope it would not be the same.

But we do have to stop the front-loading, it is hurting how we elect our Presidents.


The Fallacy of "Backload the Frontload" (0.00 / 0)
An early December vote may preserve New Hampshire's tractional role as "first in the nation," but this constant tinkering with the election calendar does bigger, far more devastating damage to voters not in your state.

We already have an electoral process that is spiraling out of control. And contrary to the notion posited here, the extra long campaign does have an effect, and December is far too early a vote for a contest which -- at least according to the pundits -- is over and done with after you New Hampshire voters cast your ballots.

Unfortunately, you'd be spreading the election calendar in the wrong direction. (I posted separately on this elsewhere, so I'll be brief.) New Mexico is one of the states with a June primary. If you jump to December, and Iowa to January -- how does that effect the rest of the calendar? Everyone cannot go first. Everyone deserves -- heck, is guaranteed the right to vote, and for that vote to count. Sadly, this system as currently operated -- with or without any additional frontloading -- disenfranchises millions of voters who simply give up. Our process is already fraught with apathy as it is.

We want you to continue to be first, but push everyone jumping to the front of the line back to their places, and end the hypocrisy of two states -- Iowa and New Hampshire (and we love you both)-- deciding for the rest of the nation.



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