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Shut Out

by: Dean Barker

Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 09:57:53 AM EST


Here are the voices of two sitting Senators and one sitting Congressman with year-long in-state campaign presences and delegates that you may not be hearing at the debate this Saturday, just a few days before our primary.  Why?  Because someone in Iowa has made that decision for you, according to the debate rules.
And once again, NHDP Chair Ray Buckley's reaction to this perversity:
"New Hampshire has a long and proud tradition of serving as a level playing field and is the one state where each candidate can be given an equal opportunity to be heard by the voters. I would strongly encourage any NH media outlet holding candidate debates or forums not to eliminate a sitting US Senator or member of Congress"
Disclosure: I'm a Dodd supporter unaffiliated with the campaign.

And adding... This is really unfair to these candidates, in that the last thing they need to do while campaigning their hearts out in Iowa is to call media attention to the fact that they may not be able to debate in NH.  Just talking about it puts them at a disadvantage.  So the onus should be on the other four to, at the very least, make a statement.  And elwood agrees, so I must be on the right track.

Update: One of the sponsors of this debate is Facebook.  Well, then, why not join the Facebook group Mike Hoefer just created, Let Them Debate?

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Ruckus! (4.00 / 1)
It is time for an uproar. You know what to do.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.

Ruckused. (4.00 / 1)
Link

Though in an odd and certainly temporary twist of fate, this post may get more attention here because a) the Ruckus site is new and thus does not yet generate much traffic to us, and b) the whole world is watching IA and NH, so there are many eyeballs on BH right now.

birch, finch, beech


[ Parent ]
Netroots. Test 1, Test 2 (0.00 / 0)
Test 3.

Is this thing on?



SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
Push, Push, Push (0.00 / 0)

On Below Boston: http://www.soapblox.net/belowb...
On Blue Mass Group: http://www.bluemassgroup.com/s...

On the Obama-NH site:
http://nh.barackobama.com/page...
On the Obama national site:
http://my.barackobama.com/page...
http://my.barackobama.com/page...

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
The four invited to the debate should abstain. (4.00 / 1)


Shame. (4.00 / 2)
Shame on WMUR.

Shame on St. Anselm's Institute of Politics.

Shame on any Democratic candidate who participates.


Fleet of Foot (4.00 / 2)
If:
There was a conference call today to simply agree on two things
-Pressure the sponsor to allow the 3
or
-Move to an alternate location, e.g. UNH

I hear so much about carrots and sticks, surely the candidates have power collectively to steer this in the right direction?

The press brigade will follow, so I wouldn't worry so much about the hassle that will ensue for many, if the venue is changed.

The act itself will cause a huge buzz.

I don't favor abstention. This is not a time for silence. NH voters and America want more voices, not less.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


The pump don't work (0.00 / 0)
cuz the vandals took the handle

We represent the Lollypop Guild, the Lollypop Guild, the Lollypop guild.

Remember the National Lampoon comic book? (0.00 / 0)
They got Neal Freaking Adams to illustrate.

Alan J. Weberman.

Don't follow leaders - watch your parking meters.


[ Parent ]
And they got Barry Windsor-Smith (0.00 / 0)
for their Norman the Barbarian piece, about the late Norman Mailer.

[ Parent ]
No time for hand parties here on BH (4.00 / 2)
I have heard so much ballyhoo condemning "silent complicity."

This ain't no PARTY

All I hear is STAND, but no one is on their feet!

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
Calling Kathy Sullivan (0.00 / 0)
Are you going to Blog around this issue or what?

You are one of a few that can elevate this matter, yet you are silent here on BH.

I'm not asking for a quasi-commitment, as we know that is not yours to give.

Simply your position. Or will you tip toe?

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


Kathy can't (4.00 / 1)
A co-chair of a campaign does not enjoy the freedom of expressing opinions on these type of matters.

Have you written a letter to the editor today? Have you donated today? Have you put up signs? Have you made calls? Have you talked to your neighbors?

[ Parent ]
Yes and no (4.00 / 1)
To move away from Kathy,

Anyone that is prominent in a campaign is free to speak, they just won't. The logic to that has been made very clear over the last several weeks.

I would venture to say, that once the candidates make a public statement, then all hell will break loose.

There will be no shortage of "opinions" then.

And thank you Ray for taking a bold position.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
Hillary's statement will be coming out (4.00 / 1)
Actually, I have an opinion on this topic; some of you may remember that I criticized Ted Koppel for his ridiculous treatment of the candidates he did not consider "worthy" in the 2004 debate.  In my opinion, every candidate who is either a sitting governor, congressman, or senator, or who has showed a significant presence in the polls or with fundraising should be allowed in the debate. I woiuld encourage every person who is upset to call WMUR directly and tell them your opinion.

The reason I did not post before now is because I thought it was more important for Senator Clinton to issue her own statement, so I spoke this morning to the Clinton staff here, who got on the phone and got through to the campaign in Iowa. As you can probably imagine, they are a little preoccupied with the caucuses in two days. Senator Clinton's campaign will be issuing a statement later today that the candidates who are being excluded by ABC and WMUR should be allowed into the debate.

SGS, I'm not going to bother to wait for your apology; we've got a campaign to win.

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
You would be waiting a long time (0.00 / 0)

I would hate to be in a position where a muzzle comes with the title.

Oh, and the access.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.


[ Parent ]
To be clear... (0.00 / 0)
its not someone in Iowa, (thought I know what you are getting at)

It is the sponsors, ABC-TV, WMUR and Facebook. St. A's might have some influence i.e we dont want you using our facility, but from what I read were not involved with the decision.

Hope > Fear




Create a free Blue Hampshire account and join the conversation.


Let them Debate Facebook Group. (4.00 / 2)
Was thinking of canning my facebook acct. but maybe we can use some Judo to use one of the sponsors themselves to register our concerns! Join up, Pass it on!

   


Name: Let them Debate
   Type: Common Interest - Politics
   Description: Concerned Citizens supporting the inclusion of all of the top candidates in the Jan 5th Facebook, WMUR, ABC-TV Debate.

   Specifically we would like to see the following candidates involved

   Biden
   Clinton
   Dodd
   Edwards
   Kucinich
   Obama
   Richardson

   Join this group to be counted as one who believes that voters, not TV Executives should be the ones to decide who the next President of the United States of America should be!



Hope > Fear




Create a free Blue Hampshire account and join the conversation.


We need a sign-size slogan (0.00 / 0)
and we need to be pestering the candidates' offices in each city with them, and the St. Anselm campus with them if necessary.


Dodd Campaign statement on KOS (0.00 / 0)
Dodd campaign statement (0 / 0)

We were happy to be invited and look forward to a strong finish in Iowa where caucus goers are beginning to focus on who they want in the chair when the unexpected occurs. They are turning to the candidate who brings the requisite experience and proven ability to produce results - Chris Dodd.

Disclosure: I proudly work for Senator Chris Dodd's presidential campaign.

by Matt Browner Hamlin on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 09:32:07 AM PST


So, maybe the news report was wrong? n/t (0.00 / 0)


Sounds like that's their way (0.00 / 0)
of saying that they will do well enough to be in that debate according to the rules.

As I said above, it is extremely difficult for the candidates to comment on this, except for Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Richardson.

birch, finch, beech


[ Parent ]
You have to wonder whether a coordinated debate -- (4.00 / 1)
a. arranged by the Dodd, Kucinich & Biden campaigns;

b. that occurs simultaneously with the "conventional" debate;  

c. which allows these three to own an exclusive stage for 90 +/- minutes; and

d. turns the debate-questioning-microphone exclusively over to partisan Democratic voters rather than the exulted chattering class press "heroes" who invariably frame questions from a non-reality based right wing perspective . . .

-- might just have better ratings than the ABC-TV, WMUR and Facebook debate. It might even be entertaining to see these three going toe to toe.

I would not be surprised if one or more of these campaigns are considering this. The odds are they will receive good press (as opposed to none at all if they do not do anything), and it also gives them a chance to take shots at the front runners without the front runners standing there to defend themselves. That latter dynamic might concern at least some of the people in the big buses.

The press if playing games here and they know it.  The rules are arbitrary and can be adjusted up or down over and out any which way they want. Hiding behind formulas is a pure cop-out and merely shows fear of taking responsibility for a decision.

If the organizers have the sac to come out and say: "these three don't have a chance and we are smart enough to decide for you" -- fine, just say it.  

But don't insult me with a result oriented scheme that is arbitrarily thrown together. The debate organizers know damn well what the dynamics are going into this thing, and they pretty much know what the likely results will be. So either have the guts to say who is excluded and why or let the serious candidates debate.

Personally, I do not take Biden's campaign seriously and I do not think Kucinich has a snowball's chance in hell. However, they are both serious candidates who have earned a podium at this point in the campaign. They certainly are more entitled to air time than any of the press-heads who will be anchoring the event.


Wisp of steam (0.00 / 0)
Winnowing

ABC/WMUR/Facebook seem likely to exclude all but the top four Iowa finishers from their debate Saturday.

Dodd-ite outrage on Blue Hampshire.

Also, Dennis Kucinich just lost his New Hampshire state director.

By Ben Smith 12:47 PM



SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.

Obama on the Upcoming New Hampshire Debate (4.00 / 2)
Statement from Senator Obama on the Upcoming New Hampshire Debate
MANCHESTER, NH-Senator Barack Obama today released the following statement on the upcoming debate in New Hampshire:
"The voters of New Hampshire deserve to hear all the Democratic candidates' views on who can best lead America in a fundamentally new direction, and that's why I urge these networks to allow full participation in this week's debate."

###

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

January 1, 2008

Contact: Reid Cherlin, (603) 668-2008




SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.

Dodd campaign statement (0.00 / 0)
We were happy to be invited and look forward to a strong finish in Iowa where caucus goers are beginning to focus on who they want in the chair when the unexpected occurs. They are turning to the candidate who brings the requisite experience and proven ability to produce results - Chris Dodd.

.::Hold Fast::.

And only John Edwards has no problem with this. (0.00 / 0)
Hillary and Barack have spoken out against this.

We need to join together to fight WMUR trying to control democracy.


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