P.S. Did anyone notice that Romney just got pwned? And did you hear that even before the debate Judd "Iowa picks corn" Gregg is lowering expectations for Willard in NH? How Steve Forbes of him.

P.P.S. The WiFi is still erratic, so apologies if I can't comment as often as I'd like.

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What wat the justification, again (0.00 / 0)

for not having Kucinich?

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 19:58:23 PM CST

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They set out 3 criteria (4.00 / 1)

Meet any of them and you're in.

1. 5% or better in a national poll
2. 5% or better in an NH poll
3. 4th or better in Iowa delegates

by: elwood @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:01:42 PM CST

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There is no justification. (0.00 / 0)

Though I will say that while the MSM should never limit established candidates, Kucinich's showing in Iowa was even worse than Biden's and Dodd's, so I'm surprised he hasn't bowed out of his own accord.

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Don't try to learn ANYTHING from Iowa (0.00 / 0)

lower ballot contests here.

It is just too arcane.

by: elwood @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:06:21 PM CST

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Kucinich... (4.00 / 1)

Dennis Kucinich speaks to my heart on a lot of issues. He should have been included. Sad. We have to make sure that kind of control of debates doesn't occur in 2012. The dislogue of the New Hampshire Primary shouldn't be even more controlled by the media.

by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:07:39 PM CST

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Amen on Kucinich (0.00 / 0)

I'm a Kucinich supporter who has just decided to switch to Obama.

I still believe Kucinich's platform is most like my concerns, but I now think that Obama is the kind of President who will understand the importance of that platform.

And finally, maybe it's cheezy, but I'm ready to make history - it's time for a Black American to be president, I'm done with the white aristocrats.

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I'm an Obama/Edwards/Kucinich/Gravel Democrat. 1968-2008: Hoping this year is different.

by: eightfold @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:10:14 PM CST

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Non issue till (4.00 / 1)

2016 when we get the next batch of dem hopefuls? ;-)

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:11:16 PM CST

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THER"S the thinking! (0.00 / 0)

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:13:00 PM CST

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OMG (0.00 / 0)

What's with the kindergarten height school desks?

Do they have to raise their hand and ask to speak?

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:15:25 PM CST

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And... (0.00 / 0)

the ABC News reports?

Aren't we here to watch the candidates?

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:16:30 PM CST

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I thought they looked (4.00 / 1)

like they were on Jeopardy.

by: Laura Clawson @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:34:34 PM CST

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Obama will have no voice left on Tuesday night! (0.00 / 0)

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Hoarse (0.00 / 0)

Obama is a little hoarse. Will that make him sound vulnerable or Presidential?

by: BTB @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:19:11 PM CST

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They all look so TIRED (4.00 / 2)

I want to apologize for what we put them through...

by: elwood @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:22:01 PM CST

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They do, (0.00 / 0)

they look awful. Richardson even looks nervous.

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by: eightfold @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:24:00 PM CST

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WHY (0.00 / 0)

Are they doing this at 9pm on a Saturday Night?

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:25:07 PM CST

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Sleepy Candidates! (0.00 / 0)

I'm genuinely concerned for Hillary's health. I wish the best to her and her family - she appears to need rest so badly. And that was so sweet how Chelsea looks concerned.

And Obama's voice is a little crackled.

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Fam (0.00 / 0)

Digging the family reaction shots! None of them look that happy.

by: BTB @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:22:26 PM CST

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I like Clinton's (0.00 / 0)

Pakistan answer. Obama came off a lot more clearly this time too. Edwards gave the "best" response, but the least detailed.

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:26:41 PM CST

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Format (4.00 / 1)

I am amused by this format. It allows for candidates to try to one-up each other. Charlie Gibson is even getting in on the act. Earnest Goes to the Debate!

PS. Who will be the first candidate to reject Chuck's premise of fear and destruction now that Kucinich is out?

by: BTB @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:30:22 PM CST

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Yeah - (0.00 / 0)

where's the hope and change? Do they have numbers about NH being obsessed with war or something?

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None of them (0.00 / 0)

And its a shame

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:36:51 PM CST

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"safe-haven" to stateless terrorists? (0.00 / 0)

Would we bomb the Munich cell because the Germans failed to pick them up?

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:35:04 PM CST

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Bill Richardson's going to negotiate (0.00 / 0)

with the Soviet Union???

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:35:22 PM CST

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Didn't he say (0.00 / 0)

He has negotiated /w the solviet union?

Back in the day... as clinton's guy, ect...

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The Soviet Union (0.00 / 0)

was gone then too, but I thought he said he would, to talk about loose nukes, etc. -- I think he meant "former Soviet Union"

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:40:26 PM CST

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Something like that. (0.00 / 0)

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:42:31 PM CST

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Hillary (0.00 / 0)

Trying to gloss over the differences between her and her opponents since 2006.

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:40:11 PM CST

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Clinton (0.00 / 0)

Sounds like a Republican.

by: BTB @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:40:46 PM CST

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Clinton: (0.00 / 0)

"We are all advocating for change"

We are "famously independent."

We're "looking for a President that we can count on," after calling out inconsistencies in Obama's record.

Obama responds by saying the AP quotes are from Team Clinton.

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by: Dean Barker @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:41:09 PM CST

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she loves to talk in absolutes, eh? (0.00 / 0)

a la... no one predicted that we would do this well in Iowa

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship

by: Andy Edwards @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 23:12:23 PM CST

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It's more fun (4.00 / 1)

when they talk with each other.

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:42:33 PM CST

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HRC using the JRE bank shot again! (4.00 / 1)

Hope > Fear

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:43:17 PM CST

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Clinton going hard on the flip-flop approach. (0.00 / 0)

Did Obama just look at his watch?

Wasn't that one of Bush I's debate undoings?

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Nice (0.00 / 0)

I like how nice Obama is. It is part of his charm. But every now and then I wish he would pull a Bob Dole on smarmy Hillary. "Stop lying about my record!"

by: BTB @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:45:22 PM CST

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The Democrats are so much more gracious (0.00 / 0)

and polite than the Republicans were in there debate. Everyone waits for everyone else to finish speaking. No one's really ganging up on anyone. It's almost a cultural difference.

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:46:01 PM CST

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Edwards: (0.00 / 0)

Hillary is the Force for Status Quo.

He just went and said that Obama would be ok, but PLEASE just vote for Clinton.

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Hillary Wins One... (4.00 / 1)

Hillary wins one on health care -- and her plan DOES cover everyone, and Obama's does not. Where is the commitment of Obama for health care for everyone? Making it "affordable" can still keep a lot of us out of the mix. Then do we just turn to welfare?

by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:46:49 PM CST

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Richardson crakes a joke. (0.00 / 0)

Good for him.

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:47:41 PM CST

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and then... (0.00 / 0)

He reads his Resume

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:48:54 PM CST

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It was pretty funny (4.00 / 1)

after Clinton flipped out about experience.

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:49:06 PM CST

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All I got out of that exchange... (0.00 / 0)

was that Edwards struck a nerve.

Clinton looks angry, and defensive.

"Hey, you Changey Mc Changers... get off my Democratic Party!!"

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Edwards: change vs. status quo (4.00 / 1)

He helps himself by joining w/ Obama, and it isolates Clinton.

And Edwards digs deep on the third place finish.

Clinton responded well, though the volume started to rise.

birch, finch, beech

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Way to Go, Richardson (4.00 / 1)

"I've been in hostage negotiations more civil than this."

First joke of the night!

P.S. 35 yrs of experience for Hill? Being married doesn't count!

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false hopes (0.00 / 0)

Hillary Clinton talking about change:

"We don't need to be raising false hopes in the American people"

?????

by: GreenVTster @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:49:12 PM CST

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wow (0.00 / 0)

I did think that was a very low blow.

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yeah (0.00 / 0)

so none of this change she's talking about will really happen?

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change change change (0.00 / 0)

change change change change change change

change.

birch, finch, beech

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marsha, marsha, marsha (4.00 / 1)

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Edwards concedes (0.00 / 0)

there are good corporations...

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He's added this clarification recently (0.00 / 0)

He pointed out today in Lebanon that he's not fighting against every business or corporation, only the ones who are having tax laws written for them, being awarded no-bid government contracts, or writing clean air legislation meant to regulate them.

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Worst Idea Ever: (4.00 / 1)

The Democratic Debate drinking game:

Every Time someone says the word Change, Take a Drink.

You won't last long...

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yes (4.00 / 1)

I thought the same thing last night when I saw Bill Clinton. Katie Wheeler did her intro & every other word was change.

Enough. Stop before I pass out...

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Gibson's a jerk (4.00 / 1)

"We'll get to the commercials later." Bug off, man!

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They better... (0.00 / 0)

They had better slap down this surge question!

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the "Surge" (0.00 / 0)

One year later, its still up in the air... Will it work?

um...

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BR (0.00 / 0)

http://www.wmur.com/video/1498...
I just got on the liveblog but I would like to post on the BR joke
and the link is for best lines of the night

Obama/Biden '08

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reaction of many (0.00 / 0)

http://nh2008.blogspot.com/200...

Obama/Biden '08

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thanks (0.00 / 0)

For the link.

I love NH Prez Watch. Brian, you make us proud...

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she said shell get them out (0.00 / 0)

SHE SAID NOT UNTIL 2013 3 months ago

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GOOD CALL (0.00 / 0)

all troops home in a year leaving none behind
good job way to stick to your guns
fight for what is right

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by: bullfrog523 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 20:56:21 PM CST

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Good answer from Obama (4.00 / 1)

smacking down the surge question.

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Great answer from Edwards (4.00 / 3)

on the surge by bringing up the reduction in violence in Basra following the Brits withdrawal.

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ok so ... (0.00 / 0)

end occupation and combat missions
but keep troops there?

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Edwards is so damned good (4.00 / 2)

I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I can't help but liking him. He's plain spoken, hits all of his key points -- very impressive.

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His southern accent helps him (0.00 / 0)

Obama/Biden '08

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Saying in 3 words (0.00 / 0)

what the others take 10 words to say is pretty impressive.

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Anyone Else notice the announcement of the Obama/Edwards ticket? (4.00 / 1)

Obama answered Hillary's attack on him by saying "We..." and looking at Edwards.

He also said "John and I".

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I suspect that as well (0.00 / 0)

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Edwards said (0.00 / 0)

he won't be VP candidate again

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EXACTLY (0.00 / 0)

good to remind people that no one else will get them out
BR is the only candidate that will get the troops out

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Richardson does not help this debate (0.00 / 0)

When he says that leaving in troops to protect the embassy means you don't want to get the troops out, he is not helping the Dem part or the cause to end the war.

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actually (0.00 / 0)

troops to protect the embassy, is different than the Senators plans. He will not continue combat missions with them, he will not leave them caught in the middle of the civil war.
this is an important issue which needs patients to work out all the little details

Obama/Biden '08

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So... (0.00 / 0)

What part does facebook play in this thing?

And... at all?

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Its all over the website (4.00 / 1)

about half the ads are for the debate and also they are conducting polls I think its really helping young people to get more informed

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(browses facebook) (0.00 / 0)

Here's some fun numbers:
Facebook Supporters* ABC News Poll**
Democrats:
Barack Obama 60.52% 27%
Hillary Clinton 18.41% 44%
John Edwards 9.47% 11%
Dennis Kucinich 6.66% 3%
Bill Richardson 2.55% 2%
Mike Gravel 2.40% NA

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Intermission.... (0.00 / 0)

Nothing earth moving here... everyone agree?

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Nothing moving, as you said. (0.00 / 0)

At least nothing that changes whom I will vote for.

...the Doo Dah Man once told me you've got to play your hand. Sometimes the cards ain't worth a dime if you don't lay 'em down.

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although (4.00 / 1)

now I will be drinking coca cola

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Two earth moving things: (0.00 / 0)

Clinton attacking and Edwards/Obama appearing as a ticket.

Clinton saying that voting for Obama/Edwards (change & hope) is the same as voting for Bush because you want to have a beer with him.

I wonder if she'll get anything from comparing Obama to Bush when she was the one who voted for the war in Iraq?

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rotfl n/t (0.00 / 0)

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John wailed Clinton (4.00 / 1)

She tried to bait him. But John refused to spit on change/Obama.

Big ups, bro.

I will be offline while I watch.

SGS is Jack Mitchell of Lowell, MA. The symbolism of the "sleeping giant" is based on my HOPE for America.

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Obama and Richardson Grammar (0.00 / 0)

you don't refer to yourself in the first person as
myself, bur rather "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! The crowd jumped up and shouted "To Arms! To Arms!".'

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Yes! (4.00 / 1)

Over-use of reflexive pronouns tonight.

It's a growing phenomenon.

Myself and my family try to avoid it :-)

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Sly Thank You (0.00 / 0)

Sly and The Family Stone were the epitome of blue eyed soul, an amalgam of styles, black hippies etc., to sing it we break it down like this

I want to thank you
falettinme
be mice elf
again

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Beer (0.00 / 0)

Whom amongst us does not enjoy a beer now and again?

Was that a SNL jab at Kerry?

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That was such an unfair, crap question for Clinton (4.00 / 2)

about likebility, and she turned it right around.

Good for her for smacking that down with humor.

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She did great with it... (0.00 / 0)

when she shows some humor it helps her

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:14:07 PM CST

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)

by: Nicholas Gunn @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:16:08 PM CST

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Likeability? Give us a break, Spradling. How deep and probing of you. n/t (4.00 / 1)

by: GreyMike @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:12:10 PM CST

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It seems that Hillary (0.00 / 0)

just compared Obama to GWB....

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They ask Barack Obama (0.00 / 0)

about how every GOPer said, "I"m Barack Obama!"

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On Health Care And "Change"... (0.00 / 0)

On health care and "change," Hillary answered the questions well. She's for full and inclusive health care. For all. And she has been a change agent -- "change" comes in many ways.

by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:14:23 PM CST

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According to the rules of the Dem Drinking Game (4.00 / 2)

you would be drunk off that one speech

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by: bullfrog523 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:18:51 PM CST

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I'd love for one of them to say Huckabee finished fouth! (0.00 / 0)

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:15:53 PM CST

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sorry for mentioning this again but (0.00 / 0)

Where is Kathy Sullivan and TEAM CLINTON

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by: bullfrog523 @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:17:08 PM CST

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Jim Splaine is on. (0.00 / 0)

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Kathy is sitting next to Chelsea... (0.00 / 0)

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see Edwards's touch to Obama? (0.00 / 0)

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Richardson doing well (0.00 / 0)

He will firm up his support with this performance

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OH MY, did I just hear that? (0.00 / 0)

Senator Clinton just blamed John Edwards for that girls death!

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by: eightfold @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:26:40 PM CST

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Look at the not so subtle (0.00 / 0)

buddy buddy stuff w/ Obama and Edwards

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They'd make a good team n/t (0.00 / 0)

by: Alex Gallichon @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:25:59 PM CST

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yeah i saw that too (0.00 / 0)

It is creeping me out a little bit

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Wow, yes. (0.00 / 0)

Although, at least they aren't screaming like Hillary. LOL

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And Hillary (0.00 / 0)

She's being soooo negative...

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that's one word; (4.00 / 1)

I would use defensive.

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and (0.00 / 0)

Living in the past. Very defensive about hubby.

by: BTB @ Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 21:30:17 PM CST

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That, too. (0.00 / 0)

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"We have to bring in the American people" (0.00 / 0)

"we have to bet on them" - obama

"can we have a reality break for a minute" - hrc

People making decisions is unrealistic?
Quasi-fascist? Or am I stretching?

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How about (0.00 / 0)

blaming that poor little girls death on Edwards and his lack of patient's bill of rights

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Dean... if you are out there... new thread? (0.00 / 0)

Time for the Blue Hampshire Sprint Wireless Card?

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Obama's big accomplishment (0.00 / 0)

Obama has been countering claims that he talks about change but has not accomplished anything with "the most sweeping ethics reform since the Watergate era".

Charlie just slammed on him, saying that legislation means that lawmakers now can't be bought meals if they are standing up.

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HILLARY!!! (4.00 / 2)

YOU WEREN"T PRESIDENT!!!

Why does she get credit for that stuff?

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Ah but she was... (0.00 / 0)

The Clinton's are trying to get another 8 years in the white house taking turns as the candidate.

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ugh (0.00 / 0)

Sorry about that apostrophe. I promise it was going to be a possessive.

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Oh how she just keeps YELLING! (0.00 / 0)

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I'm not subjective anymore (4.00 / 1)

but HRC is not doing herself many favors with the rants...

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Richardson still in the race? (0.00 / 0)

So, after his votes going to Obama - what did the Clintons say to him to get him to stay in the race and fight for her in this debate?

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stark differences (0.00 / 0)

Edwards and Clinton: on the attack

Obama and Richardson: "Can't we all just get along?"

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And, RICHARDSON (4.00 / 1)

YOU spent way, way, way more time IN government IN Washington than anyone.

How do you get away with calling them on their 'Washington talk'?

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well (0.00 / 0)

Now he is a governer, and he hasn't been in Washington for a number of years

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riiiiight (0.00 / 0)

so, he's 'seen the light' or something?

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just to clarify (0.00 / 0)

when I say a number of years I mean he was NOT part of the of the congress that has failed to get us out of Iraq, that just passed another blank check speding bill, that failed to get us health care, imigration and engery reform.

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FRESH THREAD HAS ARRIVED. (0.00 / 0)

Come on over to the new one...

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Minor pet peeve: (0.00 / 0)

Why is it always the Middle Class? They are the only ones who need a good standard of living, Mrs. Clinton?

I'm poor. What about the poor?

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No! (0.00 / 0)

you're middle class. Everyone in America is middle class!

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Unfortunate Slight... (0.00 / 0)

It does Hillary Clinton no good, and hurts the process of democracy, when she attacks one of Barack Obama's supporters -- saying that one of his New Hampshire Chairs is a lobbyist. So what? Lobbyists are just making a living, and have a right to be involved in their government. And in the case of the person singled out, he's a good guy with great integrity.

The logical end to singling out supporters of candidates is to single us all out -- "guilt by association" -- and that means fewer people will dare speak out for candidates of their choice if they're going to be blasted or insulted for doing so. Hoping it's not repeated again, I'd sum it up to the heat of the moment and that she's a bit tired at 10:16 PM on a Saturday night.

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How much does he think professors make? (4.00 / 1)

$100,000 a year? Wow, he's so out of touch.

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