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Edwards at Dartmouth

by: dputrich

Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 11:54:14 AM EST


(I was sorry I missed this. Thankfully, we have sources everywhere... - promoted by Mike)

Edwards Report: I plan to try to see as many candidates of both parties as they come to woo us New Hampshire voters.  As you know, we (generally) get to see them in small informal settings. 

Yesterday, John Edwards accompanied by his wife addressed about 500 of us at Dartmouth alumni hall.  The room was crowded, there was an overflow room with video elsewhere, and a fair number of TV cameras and press photographers.  His organization seemed to be well prepared as signs, flags, buttons and bumper stickers were passed out.  My guess is that it was about a sixty/forty split between students and non students.  It was a "town hall" type format where the candidate was in the center and surrounded by his audience.  Edwards spoke for about ten minutes and then answered questions for about a half hour.

The thrust of his talk was that he was an honest candidate who would always tell the truth and made it clear that this approach was in direct contrast to the current president.  His key quote on this was that when Bush speaks the country needs to hear: "honest, openness, a sense of decency, and a belief that our president...is...doing the best he can--I think we get none of that--I think we get a sales job."  He went onto say that: "There is lot of discussion ...about the erosion of America's image in the world.  This is much more serious than that.  That makes it sound superficial....If we don't lead, there is no stabilizing force in the world."

dputrich :: Edwards at Dartmouth

He called for a phased withdrawal of troops from Iraq, (maintaining that by staying in Iraq we are enabling the Iraqis to fight among themselves and not to take responsibility for their own government).  He finds the non binding resolutions in Congress as fluff and a waste of time.  He talked up the environment and universal health care.

None of his positions surprised me nor did they particularly excite me-- I find his Iraq position to be simplistic.  However, he did show some candor that is not like any candidate I have seen for a long time.

Asked about a vote he made approving the decapitating the top of mountains to get at coal deposits, he said he would not vote that way again, but he did as part of a deal with Senator Byrd that in exchange for his vote North Carolina got some funding from Byrd's appropriation committee.  Asked about his vote to go into Iraq-- he said he had made a huge mistake (did not blame faulty intelligence) and that the vote was his and only his responsibility.  Asked about his immigration policy-- it sounded like Bush's, but he also said that he knew many would not like the fact that he thought a requirement to being a citizen was to learn English-- that could have been left unsaid.  Asked about gay marriage, he said he was against it but for full rights for civil unions and partner rights.  He said that he was born and raised a Southern Baptist and he was just not comfortable with gay marriage.  He said his 24 year old daughter told him that his generation was the last generation that would feel that way.  This seeming candor maybe just show, but I have rarely seen it coming from any candidate for any office.

In closing, I noted that the audience seemed to warm towards him and he clearly had supporters in it, but there was no "excitement" like there was when Obama spoke or when Dean ran last time.

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Thanks for taking some of the pressure off me (4.00 / 2)
to write about it, like, now.  Though I intend to do so eventually.

Your view that there was less excitement than when Obama spoke (at the NHDP thing in December?) is interesting - it's not a comparison I'd have made, if only because I felt like so much of the excitement around the Obama event was in some way not about him.  Now I was in a weird place that day and I don't 100% trust my perceptions, but I have that one pretty strongly.


Obama v Edwards Excitement (4.00 / 1)
I based the "excitement" bit not only to audience reaction (I agree that the reaction to Obama included celebration as well as personal recognition of him), but also audience comments as they left.  At the Obama presentation the buzz seemed to be about him-- after the Edwards presentation the talk I heard (long way from a scientific sample) was more issue oriented than personality oriented.

Also, my perception may have been influened by the fact at the Obama presentation I attended the before speech reception and saw the remarkable way he handled the crowd.  From what I could see of Edwards after he spoke-- he was good but not quite in the same league.

Dan


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Thanks for the recap of the event, Dan. (0.00 / 0)
One of the things I love bout coming on here is getting first-hand accounts of events like this.  It's a lot more meaningful to me than reading what the press have to say, especially if it's from a diarist who doesn't seem yet to have a strong preference for a candidate.

birch, finch, beech

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Interesting. (4.00 / 1)
I have definitely heard that Obama is amazing at talking to people informally.  But since a few of the people I talked to after the event in December were saying along the lines of "he's charismatic but the message doesn't stick with you," I feel like having people talking about issues isn't all bad.

I don't know...I just have this feeling that we won't really know how Obama plays with voters until he's been back to the state, because that event was so hyped that it became a thing of its own.


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We've discussed how the rock stars (0.00 / 0)
might arrange living room stops.

I wonder if Obama, after kicking off his campaign on Feb 12th in Springfield IL, might visit Lincoln NH? Between Plymouth and Littleton on I-93, about 1,400 residents...


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Edwards on Iraq (0.00 / 0)
Looks like the perspective keeps shifting.  This morning at the DNC, he was passionate about being against the escallation at the same time as he talked about the world relying on the U.S. to be a stabilizing force.  The latter is the rationale for having bases in the Indian Ocean region, which is what the Iraq war was sold on to begin with.

I don't much like the current meme about the Iraqis taking responsibility for their own country either.  That's blaming the victim; sort of like saying a victim of rape needs to take responsibility for the fruit of her womb.

Just because strife between Sunni and Shia has been bruited about since the beginning of the invasions, it doesn't mean that it's a valid characterization.  Whoever is co-operating with the occupation risks getting killed.  Period.



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