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Senator Bill Gardner?

by: RealNRH

Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 15:32:53 PM EST


(And why not?  Who else, other than say Jim Splaine, shares with Judd as much passion about our first-in-the-nation status? - promoted by Dean Barker)

There's been a lot of speculation about who Governor Lynch might pick to fill Judd Gregg's seat, in the event that Gregg is picked to become Obama's Commerce Secretary. A name I haven't heard but that I think deserves more attention is Secretary of State Bill Gardner. He would fit a lot of very important criteria for the role.

First, he's popular around the state and not viewed as overly partisan. He's been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike to hold his current position, and as foremost defender of the New Hampshire Primary, he's got strong credibility as someone who will do what's right for New Hampshire.

RealNRH :: Senator Bill Gardner?
Second, he doesn't have a political apparatus of his own and would be unlikely to run for re-election in 2010. His is an appointed post, not a popularly elected one, and he hasn't had to run for election in over twenty years. He would be unlikely to be able to assemble enough supporters and money in two years to run a statewide campaign - if he even wanted to. This leaves the field wide open for Hodes, Shea-Porter, Swett, Marchand, and anyone else to jump in and make their case to the voters of New Hampshire as to why they should be the next Senator, without having to oppose an ongoing incumbent.

Third, this would be viewed as a culmination of a long and distinguished career in state service, not a retirement - he could be re-appointed to be SoS in two years very easily, if he wanted to. This would be most important on his own retirement, though - a US Senator draws a much better retirement package than an NH official, and Secretary Gardner is at an age when that might begin to be a consideration and a reason why he might be willing to put up with Washington for a few years.

Fourth, picking Gardner means that Governor Lynch doesn't leave anyone unhappy. Judd Gregg might approve of Gardner as a demonstratedly nonpartisan pick, all the prospective Senate candidates would be satisfied that he wouldn't be in their way in two years, the NHGOP can hardly complain about him after soundly supporting his work for decades (at least, they can't complain until he starts voting), and he is a Democrat so the Democrats would hardly be disappointed either.

Fifth, the presidential primary dates won't be set in 2010; even if Gardner were to decide to retire for good, there would be plenty of time for a new SoS to prepare to defend the NH primary in 2012. Gardner would also still be available for help in that regard as needed, advising the new SoS (if he didn't resume the office himself).

Sixth, he's quietly very well-connected in the state. He knows enough people that lots of the important players in the state would feel they had a connection to him as Senator, and be therefore less opposed to him and better able to communicate their wants and needs to him.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts on the situation. Other reasons why or why not Gardner?

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Who would you pick?
Bill Gardner
Gary Hirshberg
Paul Hodes
John Lynch
Steve Marchand
Carol Shea-Porter
Katrina Swett
Someone Else

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Heh (4.00 / 1)
For the sake of amusement, I also thought about Senator David Souter, but I don't think there's any chance he'd take it - if he wants to get out of Washington, he can just retire on his own. The amusement value comes from envisioning him in the Senate casting the sixtieth vote to get cloture to vote for a replacement for himself and watching wingnut heads explode screaming...

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

Slight correction - (4.00 / 2)
The Secretary of State is not appointed - he is elected by the legislature. So Gardner has "run" every two years, but with a small electorate.

That may help your case. It means that he has developed strong credentials with both parties and is known to all the former legislators.


Thank you (0.00 / 0)
That's the proper way I should have phrased it.

I think Governor Lynch will make his own decisions on the matter, of course, but I think Gardner would make an interesting choice and would like to see some other viewpoints on why he would or would not make a good selection. It's a long way off before I'll start thinking about who I like in the 2010 primaries, so I'm just concentrating on people who might be interested in a caretaker role.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!


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How would Gardiner be replaced (4.00 / 1)
Special Election in the State Legislature ?

Not in the shot

I think so (0.00 / 0)
I believe the Legislature would vote to approve a replacement to fill out the rest of the term. In the meantime, the Deputy Secretary of State would fulfill the role.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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Bud Fitch is a little busy right nowbusy (0.00 / 0)
New Hampshire Deputy Attorney General, Bud Fitch will be adding to his duties, overseeing the set-up and administration of the Stimulus package at the state level.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/28937204

NH governor creates office of economic stimulus

CONCORD, N.H. - He first picked the guy to handle economic stimulus money. Now New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch has created the office to go with the job.
Lynch issued an executive order on Friday creating an Office of Economic Stimulus, a day after naming state Deputy Attorney General Orville "Bud" Fitch to direct it.

The office is charged with assisting Lynch and state agencies in the management and expenditure of pending stimulus funds New Hampshire could get from a federal rescue package.

The House this week passed a $819 billion economic rescue plan. The bill is now before the Senate.
Lynch says the pending legislation places significant time restraints on states to use or lose funds, as well as new reporting requirements.



Not in the shot

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Wrong guy? (0.00 / 0)
Deputy Attorney General Bud Fitch is different from Deputy Secretary of State David Scanlan. The Deputy Secretary of State takes on the powers of Secretary of State when the Secretary of State is unavailable, by my reading of the statutes.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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duh n/t (0.00 / 0)


Not in the shot

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Too Much Integrity (4.00 / 2)
I don't want to be critical of Washington, but I will will say that I think so highly of Bill Gardner that I can't imagine why he'd want to be in the United States Senate.  I think he's got too much integrity to play the games that one ends up doing being in that body, even if he'd be appointed just for two years and wouldn't be running for reeelection.

RealNRH you make all great points.  Since he won't be setting the date of the NH First-In-The-Nation Presidential Primary until the Fall of 2011, he could be back by then if the NH Legislature bent its rules slightly to have him back.  I question whether it would be a "culmination of a long and distinguished career," because who says being in the US Senate is such?  It depends on how one looks at the world of politics, or our priorities in life, I guess.  I can think of many "lowly" NH House members who have had a more "distinguished career" than many United States Senators who in their lives put themselves first.

Would he be a good choice?  He'd be great.  John Lynch couldn't choose a better person.  But I hope he will want to stay where he is, where he's done fantastic work not only on elections, but the rest of the tasks his office does -- reigning in corporate greed, overseeing and regulating securities, maintaining state records and archives, and the lesser-known activities often overshadowed by his highly visible work running elections every two years.  

I also doubt he's looking to find either a "better job" or "another job."  He can do this one for another decade or so -- he's already the longest-serving Secretary of State, having first been elected in December of 1976.  (I remember well that day when we first elected him.) I trust he's got another two, three, maybe four Presidential Election cycles in him.  He's still a young guy.  


Hmmm... (0.00 / 0)
Bill Gardner has done an excellent job as Secretary of State, which is why I thought of him for the role in the first place. As I've seen on other threads in other diaries, though, anyone who's good at their current role is prone to getting some "No, we want them here!" pushback when suggested for other positions (for example, various state senators being suggested as possibly interested in running for Congress if Paul Hodes or Carol Shea-Porter were to run for US Senate). I think he could make an excellent Senator (as could many others, but I see more buzz about the others and wanted to find out how this proposition might hold up), and do his good work on a national level.

I say 'culmination' because I don't know his future plans - point three was in regards to retirement benefits mostly, a reason why he might be inclined to accept. I would love to have him stay as or return to being Secretary of State for years to come, but I'm not privy to any thoughts he has on when he might like to step down. I'll happily see him re-elected as many times as he wants.

I don't doubt that he's not out there seeking a new job in any way; what I don't know is whether he might say 'Yes' if offered this one outright. He could even take the seat, hold it for two years, and then come back to resume being the Secretary of State if he wanted, having given New Hampshire two years of service at a different level of government.

This is all speculative - my thoughts on why, as you said, "John Lynch couldn't choose a better person" and therefore why John Lynch might in fact come to the same decision - and why such a decision could work out for all concerned, including Bill Gardner and Judd Gregg. It sounds like we'll find out soon enough whether it's all moot anyhow and how John Lynch will pick if not, but I think Bill Gardner is worth having on the radar screen as a potentially acceptable Democratic caretaker (instead of a Republican caretaker like, as I've seen much more frequently, Liz Hager or Walter Peterson).

Short form, I'm not trying to push for Gardner to be chosen; I think he'd be an interesting and plausible pick and want to get information and perspective on the possibility.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!


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Monday update (0.00 / 0)
You might want to let the Concord Monitor know that you're not the one disappointed to hear that Bill Gardner has said he's not interested, mooting this diary...

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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Great Choices. (0.00 / 0)
Well, I do think Bill Garder would be a great choice.  Granny D would be a great choice.  There could be a thousand other great choices.  Barack Obama could find a much better choice for Commerce Secretary than Judd Gregg.  Bill Gardner would be a better choice for Commerce Secretary than Judd Gregg.  Granny D would be a better choice than Judd Gregg.  

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He's the perfect Democratic seat-warmer. (4.00 / 1)
As I suggested the other day.  And I don't see him running for a full term.

That said, I'm not convinced this whole thing is a good idea.  As Nate Silver points out, the nominal 60 votes would probably be more significant in Republican campaign ads than in actually getting things done.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


Not sure on the ads (0.00 / 0)
If Democrats have fifty-nine votes in the Senate, the Republican ad will be "Help us preserve the filibuster!" If Democrats have sixty votes in the Senate, the Republican ad will be "Help us regain the filibuster!" The difference is that in the second case, some useful and important legislation might get passed that would otherwise have been held up by threat of Republican obstinacy. If Democrats require the threat of Republican opposition to pass good legislation, then we're doing something wrong. Having sixty votes, if we're doing things right, should mean that we pass more popular legislation.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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If we have 60 votes nominally, (4.00 / 1)
We can't complain about obstructionism, which will certainly still be there, because Senators do not just fall in line with their floor leaders, especially Joe Lieberman.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Still (0.00 / 0)
I'd rather accomplish useful legislative activity with sixty votes than have the obstructionism campaign issue with fifty-nine. The good that can be accomplished should be a more potent campaign issue if we do it right than the obstructionism issue.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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My point is, (4.00 / 1)
Having one more Democratic Senator doesn't necessarily make the difference between legislation passing or failing.  It's not the House; how many times will every single Senator--including Lieberman--vote on party lines on cloture?

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Yes, I agree (0.00 / 0)
But it doesn't have to be every time. Even a few successful filibusters could block good legislation from going through, if they came at the wrong times. The more Democrats in the Senate, the lower the odds of a successful filibuster - and so, over the course of two years, several more bills probably being passed. They wouldn't block it all, but there would be a difference between the output of a 59-41 Senate and a 60-40 Senate, and I'd rather get the 60-40 outcome over the 59-41 outcome plus anti-obstructionism ads.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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I'm wary of this line of thinking (4.00 / 1)
because the recent experience of one party rule was not a pleasant one. We don't need to jam an agenda down anyone's throats.

We have majorities in the Congress and we have the White House. 60 votes is not a big deal. If we can't get legislation passed, it's because someone on our side is incompetent at attracting a very few Republicans from our overwhelming position of power. Some deference to the institutions should overcome ideology. If a bill doesn't pass, maybe it shouldn't pass. It has to be possible to work within the spectrum that exists in the legislature. If it's not possible, it's because people aren't putting the leg work in.


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Strongly disgaree. (4.00 / 1)
The Republican Party will form a steel wall of obstruction, as shown in the House vote on economic recovery. It is not a question of incompetence on our side, or of willingness to listen and compromise, when they invoke that.

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The House (0.00 / 0)
is not the Senate.  

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No, in the Senate (4.00 / 1)
they can play far more games to hide their responsibility.

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I think those games (0.00 / 0)
are good things, if they're impediments to hasty or ill-considered legislation becoming law.  

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Yeah. (0.00 / 0)
Hasty and ill-considered laws like the civil rights and voting rights bills that died for a generation or two in the Senate.

More recently, FISA reform.

Coming up: economic relief, EFCA. Then maybe a Court nomination or two.


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Yeah, like those (0.00 / 0)
actually, in this political and economic climate, I'm quite worried about something like Smoot-Hawley given the hostility to free trade by a significant element of our party combined with Republican opposition in the south. I have no great hope for positive free trade developments, like ending agricultural subsidies or textile tariffs, but hope there are enough institutional forces to prevent a worsening of policy.

I read stuff like this and wince.

On progressive civil rights stuff, I don't think that we have much of a chance from the get go.


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Alex-- (0.00 / 0)
I know I sound bitter saying this, but I am not. You are applying a "reasonable man" standard to Republican actions, as if they represent a mirror image of the Democratic Party. They do not. We debate an issue, considering, say, business concerns. They march in lockstep and brook no dissent within their ranks. We have goals we are trying to achieve; empower people, create opportunity for all. They have two goals: shrink government, and hurt us. They are willing to compromise on shrinking government (say, the prescription drug bill) to hurt us, but they are not willing to help us. Ever.

That's one thing I find annoying about the Gregg appointment. The notion of two Democrats in a Republican Cabinet is laughable.


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The red states (0.00 / 0)
get all the government money, the blue states now have the power. Even at a cynical level there's opportunity for arm-twisting and dealmaking.

Maybe there is a more fundamental problem with our system of government, if the public view is that not enough gets done, there's too much obstructionism, etc., when one party is basically in control of everything save three or four opposition votes for a supermajority in the Senate.

If you can get all the Democrats to line up (no easy task), is it really too hard to reach an agreement with Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, Dick Lugar, and George Voinovich? Or really, any combination of four Republicans?


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On this (0.00 / 0)
If you can get all the Democrats to line up (no easy task), is it really too hard to reach an agreement with Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, Dick Lugar, and George Voinovich? Or really, any combination of four Republicans?

Reid and Co. do that all the time. But then the crazies in the GOP refuse to accept any deal, and then the backslide begins. Specter and Voinovich go home to their party, some Dems peel off, etc., etc.

And the crazies win, again.


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Then Reid and Co. (0.00 / 0)
just haven't found the right combinations of sticks and carrots.

It can't be that all 41 Republican Senators are unreasonable people who don't really care about anything at all. It can be, I think, that the Democratic leadership does not do a good enough job exploiting the things they (only four!) care about.

How anybody got anywhere in government without figuring out how to deal with unreasonable people is beyond me. It seems that's where you find a disproportionate share of them in the first place...


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Why not? (0.00 / 0)
It can't be that all 41 Republican Senators are unreasonable people who don't really care about anything at all.

Your logic is sound, but these 41 might be an exception.


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If they didn't care (0.00 / 0)
Why run? Why show up? What are they doing there?

Not for power? Glory? Justice? Spoils? To do the right thing? To do a better job? Nothing at all?


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If I could answer these questions (4.00 / 1)
I'd be a rich man.

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Let Them Filibuster (4.00 / 2)
If Mitch McConnell wants to stop the stimulus or anything else significant by reading a phone book for 30 hours in a row, let him.

Once he's done, then we only need 51 votes, not 60.

On minor things, we should respect the threat of a filibuster, but on some significant things, 60 votes should not matter.  


[ Parent ]
Once he's done? (4.00 / 2)
The filibuster doesn't get finished, even when the filibustering Senators are forced to carry out their threat. If there are 40 Senators behind it, it blocks things forever.

The one man filibuster (I finally watched Mr Smith Goes to Washington a few weeks ago) is temporary theater, but a party-sponsored filibuster with 40 votes is solid.


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We have a mandate. (4.00 / 2)
The public did not vote for divided government.  We voted for one-party rule, because the party that so recently had one party rule screwed things up so badly that they can go sit in the corner for a little while.  We'll listen to their ideas, but we should not be letting them make decisions like, for example, hundreds of billions in non-stimulative tax cuts that will only make the deficit worse, and that that they will campaign against raising back up when it's time to finally balance the budget in a few years.

Plus, President Obama invited them to the table, and they spat in his face.

My point is not about bipartisanship.  I just don't think having 60 votes, considering the situation, and some moderates on each side, is as big a milestone as it's played up to be.  It doesn't guarantee 60 votes on every issue, just like McConnell won't have 41 for a filibuster on everything as it stands.

I of course want to have two Democratic Senators from New Hampshire, but I'm not sure, given what I've been saying, that it's worth letting Judd Gregg run the Department of Commerce.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


[ Parent ]
That's fine (0.00 / 0)
When it comes to one party rule, I just don't trust "us" too much more than I trust "them" because, I mean, come on, we're talking about politicians here.  

[ Parent ]
That objectionable statement about politicians in general being untrustworthy aside, (0.00 / 0)
This is why we need the Republican Party to find a reasonable, intellectual, respectable, and responsible core again.  It's not good enough to have the party of better ideas in power.  We need more than one party with the credibility to put forth good ideas, and with leaders responsible enough not to promote anti-intellectualism and sacrifice common sense for political gain, such as demonizing all taxes in general, when they know damn well you need taxes to have a government, even a "small government", and sometimes you have to raise them to balance the budget.  Even George H. W. Bush raised taxes when he had to.  Even having people like the elder Bush leading the GOP would be immeasurably better than the Palinites.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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OK (0.00 / 0)
That's sound: don't trust us until we are proven right.

But don't trust them at all. If they bake you a birthday cake, make them take the first bite.


[ Parent ]
The worst thing that could happen (4.00 / 1)
to our party, is that we get caught up in our own glory and start to trust people because they hold power. That's how the Republicans became as unreasonable as they are today in the first place.

I hope never to hear again, "I trust them because they have access to information the public doesn't have access to."


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On the other hand, (0.00 / 0)
People in power are human beings, and the "come on, we're talking about politicians" attitude is poisonous.  It's one thing to have a healthy degree of skepticism or to dislike someone in power; it's another to reject a good leader when one comes along.  Pay attention, ask the right questions, and trust doesn't have to be blind.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Preceding Pawking Metaws (0.00 / 0)

Who am I rejecting exactly, anyways?


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Apparently, anybody whose name appears on a ballot. (0.00 / 0)


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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Been there, (0.00 / 0)
done that. Probably less cynical before than after.

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Likewise. (0.00 / 0)
And still not making generalizations.

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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Just making sure (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't self-hating.

You can trust someone in their capacity as a friend, but as a politician? There are too many considerations to take into account, and trusting politicians seems to be a bad position for the public to take in a democracy. Plus, then you get needlessly upset when they violate that trust, there's enough emotion in politics... maybe not enough skepticism.


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I'm not talking about faith. (0.00 / 0)
I'm talking about trust.  It's not a blank check, it's the benefit of the doubt.  

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


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I'm not talking about faith. (0.00 / 0)
I'm talking about trust.  It's not a blank check, it's the benefit of the doubt.  

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"Act as if ye have faith and faith shall be given to you." -Aaron Sorkin


[ Parent ]
One of the reasons Bill Gardner enjoys (4.00 / 4)
bipartisan support as Secretary of State is:

we don't have a clue where he stands on reproductive rights, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, domestic spying, national health care, or economic recovery plans.

So I'll give a shout out to his long and dedicated service to the state. But I won't endorse him to represent me in the Senate yet.


Nice to see... (0.00 / 1)

"Likud" Lantos-Swett has not receive any votes. That's a sign New Hampshire Dems are definitely moving in the right direction.  

Two Thumbs Down for Anti-Semitism!!! (4.00 / 1)
NH Ex-Pat, am disappointed to see that you're up to your old dirty tricks. . . . I guess every Jew must be evil in your eyes, even those who have been passionate supporters of a two-state solution for more than a decade.  

I voted for Katrina as a proxy for her husband, who would make a much better "seatwarmer" selection that Bill Gardner.  Dick is more progressive, is a stronger Democrat, and knows how to get things done in Washington.


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Dick Swett would be a fantastic (0.00 / 0)
caretaker choice, imo.

What a good idea!

birch, finch, beech


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I disagree. (0.00 / 0)
His wife ran for the Senate before Shaheen entered the race. Wouldn't it be kind of strange to have a spouse running for a seat the other spouse is "caretaking"?

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Problematic (0.00 / 0)
Picking Dick Swett would probably be taken as a sign of support for Katrina Swett, which would leave Hodes and Shea-Porter supporters unhappy. I strongly doubt Governor Lynch would go for that.

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!

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What's antisemitic there? (0.00 / 0)
NH Ex-Pat (perhaps wrongly) suggested that Swett is right wing on Israel issues. Would it be antisemitic to say "Labor" Lantos-Swett?  

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