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Annoying and Two-Faced

by: Dean Barker

Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 08:01:34 AM EDT


This is a very small and genre-centered point having nothing to do with saving America and the world from 30 years of GOP ideology, on which I commend the President's actions, but:

Using blogs as a rhetorical whipping boy to demonize bolder action than he wants to take is just as annoying and two-faced today as it was during the primary and the general, when the candidate with the Bestest New Media Operation in the History of Evah kept blogs and other non-MyBarackObama netroots vehicles at arm's length.

This strategy is not dissimilar to Team Obama's dislike (or rather, lack of understanding) of Howard Dean, imho.

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St. Dean was dissed, Oh my! (0.00 / 0)
It is not like you, Dean, to go off half cocked, so I figure there is more to this then you built in. I can't quite figure the leap from Krugman kicking the bee's nest to Howard Dean, but I'm willing to read it out.

Krugman's reference is shaky and I wouldn't put it past him to stir the pot because he can be pissy that way. I'd like to hear other reports on how Obama dissed the "blogs." Preferably, a full quote for context or maybe some video.

And if he really meant to diss the "blogs", so what? That would constitute a full scale counter diss using some convoluted, crumb trail that would proport to show a history of disdain for the "blogs" and, by proxy, Howard Dean?

Please, I'm all eyes.



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In the '04 cycle (4.00 / 2)
Howard Dean's team, imho, looked at emerging netroots culture online and allowed the campaign to be influenced, and in part, built by it.  It was organic.

In the '08 cycle, Obama's team, imho, surveyed the already existing netroots culture, and the MSM's relationship to it, and decided to build their own universe instead, using the positive aspects of online organizing to create an activism and fundraising machine unmatched by anyone ever, but keeping places like DailyKos, TPM, etc... rhetorically and actually separate (not to be confused with online outreach support for the primary season, which all campaigns had in some form or another).

This allowed them to use the power of the netroots without owning any of the "crazy" meme the MSM loves.

It's a very smart strategy, and it worked. He's POTUS, while Dean couldn't even get nominated. But it's not how D(ean)FA operated.

And there is an analogous history here, I believe in the way in which Dean ran the DNC versus Rahm the DCCC during the '06 cycle.

Am I making myself clearer?

birch, finch, beech


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The bee's nest (4.00 / 1)
Better to taste the honey.

I hope Obama doesn't make a tactical error by habitually using rhetoric, designed to appease the centrists and center right, that paints the "blogs" as a monolithic platform for the far left.

That would be a grave error.


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"allowed" is a good word. Dean was certainly never personally (0.00 / 0)
comfortable with the internet and wasn't able to capitalize on the facilities provided by the DNC either.  What brother Jim did to the internet component of DFA is a scandalous waste of resources.  It's little more than an electronic version of direct mail operations combined with campaign training.

Rahm at the DCCC during the '06 cycle was also deplorable.  But, he was obviously focused on garnering support for him as Speaker down the road.


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Trippi alert n/t (0.00 / 0)


We represent the Lollypop Guild, the Lollypop Guild, the Lollypop guild.

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Saint Dean ? (0.00 / 0)
Jack is accusing others of mindless worship of a political figure?

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Head cheerleader and bottlewasher (0.00 / 0)
The use of the word "mindless" was gratuitous and merely enforces Peter's point on the other thread, but its all good, yo.

Where's your guy, elwood?

Note: GOoPers and trolls, take note.

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No, it wasn't, Mr. Mitchell. (4.00 / 2)
Your reference to "St. Dean" had a very clear implication that his strongest supporters - specifically, our host - had put aside rational analysis and viewed him as someone capable of miracles.

If you didn't mean that, you should be careful using the tools of language.


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99 Problems But elwood Ain't One (0.00 / 0)
Your error came from assuming some binary, Obama v. Dean, system. I actually think Dean is as much a part of Obama's success as Plouffe or Axelrod, but how could you know that. Dean gets way more props from me than Rahmbo does.

Yes I was being snarky, it's called blogging. Dear o'dear.


 

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Ah. Jack calls someone mindless: snarky blogging. (0.00 / 0)
Jack gets called on it: gratuitous.

Got it.


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You sexy thing (0.00 / 0)
I believe in miracles.

Faith is mindless in who's world?

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We're making some interesting assumptions here (0.00 / 0)
1. The netroots are liberal.

2. Therefore Obama was dissing us.

I agree with these assumptions, but they are assumptions.

That said, I agree with Dean's general point about Obama's ambivalence toward Democratic netroots. He seemed to fear being pigeonholed.


Message Discipline (4.00 / 1)
Chattering class don't have none. Keep at arm's length.

Pretty much the entire Dem lineup in '08 banned their staffers from blogs. It is messy out there.

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OK (4.00 / 1)
One thing that's an annonying rhetorical trick, but widely practiced and not limited to the president:

"Well, some people won't like this, but ... " It implies that they made tough decisions and aren't just using more money to put out the pile of burning money.

Actually it's broader than that, because John Kerry (in a move he surely came to rue) portrayed his war vote in 2002 as a tough vote. Really, a guy walking into The Roadhouse on Route 1 and saying "Tom Brady sucks" would have been braver than Kerry was with that vote, and Kerry knew it.


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