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The "View Tax" Non-debate

by: Mike Caulfield

Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 19:54:02 PM EST


Voltaire once said that if God did not exist, we would have to invent him. Republicans feel the same way about new taxes.

That's why they put up the "Stop the Lynch Income Tax" signs. Even though there is no Lynch income tax.

And I can only imagine that's why they have to dig deep into their property bills to find a new tax in the itemization.

The dreaded "view tax".

Humanity needs a concept of God to achieve a meaningful existence. Republicans need tax threats.

So what is this "view tax"? And why are people carrying around tea bags to protest it?

More after the flip..

Mike Caulfield :: The "View Tax" Non-debate
Breifly, in case you were in a coma over the last several days, here's what the view tax is:

1. It's not a tax. What has happened is that the value of residences with spectacular views in NH has skyrocketed due to increased demand from vacationers and wealthy retirees. Because this has become such a crucial part of land valuation in scenic spots, companies like Avitar Associates are itemizing it seperately on their valuations.

2. It taxes property, not the view. Here's where the use of the term "view tax" is insiduous. Consider this man's statement from a recent "view tax" protest:

"I came down to this meeting because I feel people in the North Country are going to be taxed to death," he said. "It could be raised at any time. If this goes on, the next thing we're going to have is a smell tax, a hearing tax. All I can say is 'See free or die.'"

Whether fortunately or unfortunately, some people in NH are in the position of have the value of their homes skyrocket. I agree that's not always good, especially when your state's main tax tool is the property tax. But those being taxed are not being taxed on their ability to see the view. They are being taxed because they suddenly find themselves house-rich.

And there's the rub. When a state tax system is based solely on property values, there can be staggering local year to year fluctuations in who bears the brunt of the tax burden. And very often, because salaries do not track with property values, people find themselves in the difficult position of being house-rich and income poor.

All this is something to be worried about, no doubt. But here's a radical idea: Why not come up with a system that balances a persons non-liquid wealth (property) against their ability to pay?

Such a system could tax property for local needs (where apples are compared to apples in the housing market), while taxing people on their "ability to pay" for the state stuff. The effect of gross disparities in the statewide housing market would be somewhat mitigated.

The first half of this system we could continue to call the property tax. The part based on your ability to pay we could call, um, I don't know...

How about calling it the "income tax"?

Actually I'm not sure how I feel about a state income tax myself. I look at this uproar, and what I see is this: a bunch of people fighting a view tax, which will in turn make it easy for New Yorkers to build second homes up here worth millions of dollars without contributing back to the community.

One of the things I like about the property tax system is we manage to tax those people, whether or not they work here.

But for those complaining about the view tax, they should be very clear what they are asking for, whether they realize it or not. They are asking for a income tax to fund education.

So stop talking about the view tax. Call it what it is: an unstable property tax. And let's start having a real discussion about what fair taxation might look like, and what sorts of economic activity we want our tax policy to support.

Or we can play cute games with tea bags. Your choice, New Hampshire.

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Bravo! (4.00 / 2)
Nicely tied together.

I'm still curious about the extent to which some people may have seen big and sudden increases in their overall property tax, rather than just an itemized bill that started this... tempest in a teapot?


There have been increases (0.00 / 0)
Due, according to several sources, to the high premium out of staters are putting on views of late.

I will get you the reference on that momentarialy.



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Cites on itemization (4.00 / 1)
From a surprisingly decent story by Fox News:

Home appraisals, whether in New Hampshire, Texas or California, are supposed to reflect a property's market value. Because the view and other aesthetic considerations affect market value, it is standard practice in the industry to take them into account.

Wayne Trout, president of the International Association of Assessing Officials, said it is unusual for assessors to assign a specific dollar value to the view. But he said the methods do not really matter as long as total assessed value accurately represents market value.

And from the BG:

State officials and assessors say beautiful views, like prime locations, have always been part of a home's intrinsic value. The only change is that many rural views are now worth more, as land values skyrocket and more people from wealthier communities are retiring in New Hampshire.

But controversy erupted last year after assessing firms doing townwide property revaluations began assigning a separate value to beautiful views, either as a dollar amount or a multiplier applied to the basic value of the land and property. The practice is similar to a longstanding approach of breaking out the value of waterfront location.

Officials in Orford, home of the late Gov. Meldrim Thomson, spearheaded the protest, refusing to accept a townwide revaluation by Avitar Associates of New England.





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Having trouble finding the other cite (0.00 / 0)
Thought it was in the WaPo, but can't dig it up now. It attributed the sudden rise to an increasing premium out-of-staters were putting on views.

It also contained pictures of views.




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There's intricacies to this story (0.00 / 0)
And many valid positions one could take. There's a good debate to be had here.

But calling it a "view tax" gets none of that done.



Payment Mechinism (4.00 / 2)
I maintain the one of the hardest things about our tax system is the fact that it hits people hard, 2x a year rather than a little bit each pay period. It is the the only way I can explain the fact that so many people complain about the high taxes when we are in fact one of the least taxed citizenry out there.

I pay via my mortgage every month, so it just part of the monthly expense. I know if I were to get the $2k bill 2x year I would have a hard time paying and would prob complain about how much I was paying in taxes.

Maybe the state could deduct our "property tax" from our pay (and still not call it an income tax!) or mandate that all property tax payments be a part of mortgage payments.

Reminds me of the fellow who ran against Lynch in the 2004 primary...McEchrean (sp?) He would say we already have an Income Tax in NH. It's called the Property Tax, we pay for it with our income.

"View Tax" is classic Rovian framing ala the "Death Tax". As mentioned in posts above, the viewshed of a property inexorably increases its value. NH's nearly singular reliance on the Property Tax for revenue generation means we need to aggressively Tax property values. If one does like it, you allow your legislator to talk about other revenue channels without threating to withhold your vote.

It would be interesting to brainstorm some additional frames for the Property Tax. Maybe we could call it the "Homestead Tax" (Home Tax?) "They are taxing people out of their family Homesteads or perhaps th "Shelter Tax"... Taxing our most basic human need.

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I think you're on to something (4.00 / 2)
But I think it might be the reverse of what you're suggesting.

My guess is, most middle-class, working homeowners have their property tax taken out by the mortgage lender each month. It usually isn't even an option anymore.

Who doesn't pay by month?

* Older people who have already paid off their mortgage.
* Wealthier people who never had one.

The whining, in other words, is coming from the wealthiest taxpayers.


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When I notice (4.00 / 1)
Is when he mortgage company sends me a notice changing their escrow amount.

Now, my wife notices earlier when the town sends out their twice-yearly statement. But she likes to keep me in a good mood, so I don't hear about it until the mortgage company readjusts their escrow.




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Smell should not be taxed; it should be a deductable... (4.00 / 1)
If I have a great view, the value of my land goes up and I'm taxed for it.  But if I live next to a dairy farm, then the smell lowers my value.  Hence the smell deductable.

How True (0.00 / 0)
I think I'm in favor of the smell deductible.



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There's a Bert and I story in there somewhere (0.00 / 0)
Silas had been compainin' bout his property taxes for years.

But after Elwood moved acroos the road, Silas spoke to the selectmen.

They quickly agreed. Given the view assessment, and the smell assessment, the town owed Silas money this time.


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Groan (0.00 / 0)
Although those stories were great, my dad played that record incessantly.

And then, when i thought it was over, they came out with "More Bert and I".

Oh! the humanity!



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You haven't heard (0.00 / 0)
'A Maine Pothellion'?

You're just fishing for Christmas, I can tell...


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