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Wanted for Immediate Hire: Grownups

by: Dean Barker

Tue Feb 01, 2011 at 19:39:42 PM EST


( - promoted by Jennifer Daler)

No doubt prodded by their expensive proxy governor, House Speaker Bill O'Brien and Majority Leader D.J. Bettencourt are trying to make political hay over the news from Florida:
Following yesterday's ruling by a federal judge that struck down President Obama's health care reform law, House Speaker William O'Brien and House Majority Leader D.J. Bettencourt called upon the Executive Council to block a contract on tomorrow's agenda that would have the state Department of Insurance begin the process to implement the federal law in New Hampshire.

...

House Majority Leader D.J. Bettencourt

"Yesterday's federal court decision makes clear that Obamacare is an unconstitutional federal overreach that restricts our freedoms by forcing individuals to purchase health care or face serious penalties.

What's missing from this release is what O'Brien and Bettencourt plan on doing for Granite Staters like Hillary St. Pierre (remember her?) who are counting on this law to stay alive:
Dean Barker :: Wanted for Immediate Hire: Grownups
The legislation put an end to lifetime limits on coverage for the first time, erasing the financial burdens, including personal bankruptcy, that had affected many ailing Americans.

For example, Hillary St. Pierre, a 28-year-old former registered nurse who has Hodgkin's lymphoma, had expected to reach her insurance plan's $2 million limit this year. Under the new law, the cap was eliminated when the policy she gets through her husband's employer was renewed this year.

Ms. St. Pierre, who has already come close once before to losing her coverage because she had reached the plan's maximum, says she does not know what she will do if the cap is reinstated. "I will be forced to stop treatment or to alter my treatment," Ms. St. Pierre, who lives in Charlestown, N.H., with her husband and son, said in an e-mail. "I will find a way to continue and survive, but who is going to pay?"

Hillary St. Pierre is a grownup.  She is a professional, a mother, and a courageous hero in her fight against cancer. What people like St. Pierre -  what all of New Hampshire, really - desperately needs is a government run by grownups.

What Hillary St. Pierre doesn't need are claptrap slogans about "restricting freedoms" formed from the half-baked ideologies of juvenile intellects.  She needs to know what her government, who works for her, to whom she pays taxes, is doing to help keep her alive at the hands of bottom line private insurers that are eager to take her money and then deny her treatment.

If we wanted to live in a Mad Max survivalist world, I'm sure there are some countries in the globe that can give us that experience.  But this is the United States of America, and New Hampshire the finest state in the Union. I will not sit back and be quiet while power-hungry, two-dimensional thinkers in the statehouse try turn the place I love into a Survival of the Fittest zone.

It's high time we started hearing high-profile Democratic leaders in this state, out of office and in, speaking boldly and loudly in opposition to what has become of our once proud golden dome in Concord.  Aside from some courageous voices of former state legislators who are in the front lines of this, and a nearly daily drumbeat of newspaper editorials, I'm not hearing much.

Hillary St. Pierre needs a leader like the Governor of the State of New Hampshire to lay aside his customary quietude on partisan matters and call out this childishness for what it is.  The same goes for our current and former federal officeholders.  Ditto for the emerging candidates for governor and congress.

November is long gone.  Look at the wreckage of just the last few weeks. If we cede the press floor to them, this behavior will become the new normal.  And what a tragedy it will be if our children grow up thinking that this is what New Hampshire is.

(crossposted.)

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How Quickly (4.00 / 4)
they forget about the other 2 federal judges who upheld the law.  

the wreckage (0.00 / 0)
yup...I almost lost my wine last night...struggled into Concord around 6:15 for storm supplies...DJ and his Nancy Reagan wannabe doll(every hair place, red wool coat, gold jewelry) snuck behind me in line at the State store...Concord is a weird place. Swing a cat and hit a Rethuglican. The scary thing was that they don't look human. The real death panels, very Stepford.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


Appearance is important to people who rely on superficial (4.00 / 2)
optics.  I expect what people look like is a message in code that tells them how to react.  

That appearances are deceptive doesn't register with people who need to rely on their sense of sight.


[ Parent ]
I Have To Say, Jonny... (4.00 / 3)
...that your observation is rather crude and need not be said.  If we expect others to be accepting of who we are, how we look, and what we believe, we must extend the same courtesies.  

We're better than that.  I say some of the same kind of things at times, and perhaps blog such now and then too -- but I try to be better than that.  Even if we can't meet higher standards all the time, at least we can try.  When we fail, we can try again.  


[ Parent ]
Jim you are delusional (0.00 / 1)
if you expect these people to be accepting of you, maybe you missed the last three weeks or so? They have introduced articles of demonization of you, me, the sick, the poor,the constitution...they elevated bates et al. I can't find any place for them in my heart of hearts. F'em. That's what thry're doing to our state and comity. Should I have curtsied?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
Jonny B, you have (4.00 / 1)
misused the ratings system. Jim did not make an ad hominem attack on you, he criticized your observation. In calling him "delusional", you are engaging in a personal attack that is against site guidelines.

I share Jim's objection to your comment, especially this

The scary thing was that they don't look human.

Implying another human being is less than human is a slippery slope we cannot go down.

There are other things in your comment I find offensive as well.

That comment helps the Democratic cause in New Hampshire how?


[ Parent ]
Jennifer perahps you should recuse yourself from editing free speech while you run for office (1.33 / 3)
is this site about about being polite or truth telling. I am telling you how i see it. You should not be editing while running for office, you have a conflict of interest.

I got trolled and was responding. I don't think they view you or me as human in their system. We are obstacles.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
don't go there (4.00 / 2)
That you have the audacity to wag a finger at anyone after your last foray into stupid commentary is just mind boggling.  

[ Parent ]
consider yourself boggled. n/t (0.00 / 0)


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
Susan that's choice (0.00 / 0)
...you are still pissed perhaps that I outed you for working for Kucinich without reveling it in your status???...same issue...I take your rating as an indication you would like me to leave your site. I should, there is a clear lack of transparency.  I said what I think...its okay for you to troll me, but not for me to respond to utter duh? Should Kathy and Paul put in their status they run a 501c4 that intends to raise funds for political purposes and will be running ads in the next cycle, without revealing the donors' names? What degrades the site in one person's opinion, is not necessarily abuse in another's estimation.
 

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
you're babbling (0.00 / 0)
I suggest you put down the "supplies" and take a nap.  

[ Parent ]
your snotty 'comment' is mean and untrue...take it back n/t (0.00 / 0)


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
fair enough (0.00 / 0)
I apologize for suggesting that you're drunk.  

[ Parent ]
ad hominem defined (0.00 / 0)
Previously you attacked me for typing while drunk...now you elevate your attack...classy...stick to the facts. I said that DJ and co. are to me, inhuman, a class of androids...unfeeling and uncaring. That is the way I see it. Otherwise how could they do what they are doing? They creep me out, and I don't care about who may have to work with them. They are unpersuadable and belong in the dustbin of history.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
Wow (0.00 / 0)
Susanthe, why the heck was that a public conversation?

Peanut gallery says completely unnecessary and I cannot communicate enough how much I wish I had never seen that.


Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


[ Parent ]
babbling? (0.00 / 0)
how about when you worked briefly for CSP??...it was how well attuned you are to sensitive speech I suppose, that ended your tenure in that campaign?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
the blubbering continues (0.00 / 0)
Feel free to stop the whinefest any time, jbb.

Since you mention it, though,  unlike you, I apologized for my conduct, AND I learned my lesson.


[ Parent ]
oh my... (0.00 / 0)
could you both just please stop?

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

[ Parent ]
JBB (4.00 / 7)
Please don't go "suicide by cop on us", you have a great history in state politics and can be accreditive to the the conversations we have here.

You can go bananas elsewhere, but here the editors try to maintain some semblance of civility. It is what has made this site different and relevant to NH politics.

We are going to do our best to keep it that way during these stressful times.

Hope > Fear




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[ Parent ]
too much like high school with 'cops' and such (0.00 / 0)
The other guys do what they do with 'civility'. Then they cut the unsuspecting off at the knees. Can't conscion it.

Its the old, "I said nothing when they came for the Trade Unionists(tomorrow's hearing), I said nothing when they came for the Gays,(yesterday's bill)and then there was no one to speak up when they came for me."

I have decided to, in the words of Larry Kramer, "Act Up".
His mother and my grandmother played bridge together. Initially Larry tried suicide at Yale, being a closeted man. Then he went on the start a group dedicated to not letting society ignore what was happening to the gay community.
He alos wrote the Normal Heart,a Broadway Play, speaking directly to the fears of a public ginned up against the sick and dying, as if they were being punished for being immoral. This is the same drivel we get from Bates. I categorically deny their meaning or relevance as Legislators. Maybe I'll take up a new hobby and join one of these groups that meets in the country on weekends. We surely have lost our democracy.

I see these times in a similar light. We didn't decry the idiocy of these people during the election, and now we reap the whirlwind. Talking politely on a blog, while it feels great seem passe. Direct, in their face action is needed. I hear too much of the 'give them enough rope' theory being bandied about, by those who think if they sit back all this will go away. It ain't going away until you get pissed enough to do something other than turn the other cheek.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
You Greatly Understand What Many Of Us Are Doing (4.00 / 3)
We're certainly not "turning the other cheek."  We have to beat our opponents by being smarter than them.  

In the last election, too much of what Democrats did nationwide was playing defense, and attacking our opponents personally and negatively.  That didn't go too far.

The more effective way to get people, i.e. voters, on our side is to outsmart our opponents and do so by showing how silly they are.  I think we're seeing some positive results in doing so.  They're being hit on their ideas, and that's where we beat them best.  But when we give in to our urges of making it unnecessarily personal, then we show how weak we are.

And we'll certainly not pick up any points by making cruel comments about the way our opponents dress or look.  That's not part of the A.C.T. Up playbook, which I know rather well. That's not how we succeeded in getting gay marriage, or choice, or fought for disability rights or education funding.

It takes a little more thought and discipline to beat them by being smarter than they are, but the results are worth it.  Voters will listen to us when we're logical and make sense, not when we're rude and crude.  


[ Parent ]
what happened last cycle ? (4.00 / 1)
they abused us, made us look foolish, called names, etc banked on fear and mistrust and won record gains...right?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
just saying... (0.00 / 0)
we'll have to accept the voters who swung the election liked what the other side was selling ...emotional calls versus bloodless bureaucrats?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
"mis" understand I take you to mean ? n/t (0.00 / 0)


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
Thank You For Understanding (4.00 / 1)
Yes, thank you!  I meant to write "misunderstand," or "underestimate."  Even when I look at what I write a second or third time, I'm missing things.  I'm finding that as I grow older I'm skipping some words when I write things.  A few years ago I could just call them "typos."  Or maybe "abbreviations."  

But as long as I can write "Democrat" and "Republican" without confusing them, I won't have to start taking pills.

By the way, a benefit of growing older I didn't notice until recently is that some movies I enjoyed back about 20 or 30 years ago, they're all new again!  I generally might remember how they end, but I forgot how the plot got there.  I'm saving money by looking at my old VHS tapes and DVDs.  


[ Parent ]
yes and no (4.00 / 2)
I would submit that in the last election too much of what the Democrats was ineffectual defense,perhaps because the general feeling was one of having trouble committing to playing dirty in the mud with the other pigs.

I do agree that we should pick on opponents for how they look or dress. It's not right and it's not like there isn't plenty of other material to choose from. I have no problem with name calling though.

The public is angry. Whether they are angry at us or them doesn't really matter. They are angry. I would also submit that a lot of crazy people on the Right got a lot of sane people in the Middle to vote for them just because their anger rang true for them. We need to come out of the gates angry too.

As I was saying to JBB elsewhere, we need elected Democrats to act in a manner according to the very dignified and near-sacred offices that they hold. There is, a great advantage to be had in Dems in office taking the high road and being polite and conveniently enough, it is also the right thing to do.

The larger party though? Nope. We need to come out cussing and being quite crude about what asinine pricks the Right are. We need to echo the anger of the voter in our vitriol. We need to show them we are angry too. In this day of spin and 15 second news spots anger conveys energy. In the longer interviews with Democrats in officials positions? sure, the high road helps us there. In discussions of the news of the day around the dinner table or online? I would say not so much...

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


[ Parent ]
No, And Yes (4.00 / 2)
Here you bring up good points, and I know there is a lot of self-analysis about why we did poorly last November.  I've contributed to some of that dialogue.

I think we lost -- nationally, as well as statewide -- because we let our opponents adopt our effective messages of "change" and "hope" that had contributed to our victories in 2006 and 2008.  And instead, we became defensive, and had a message of "...wait a while, things will get better."  It was hard for us to make that message when people couldn't afford their rents or mortages, or didn't have jobs.  

When I said as early as June of last year that we might lose the NH House and Senate by large margins (projecting 250 Rs, 150 Ds in the House, 16 Rs, 8 Ds in the Senate), I suggested that we need to explain our plans for the next two years rather than defend our tax increases and budgeting of the past two.  I think a change in our strategy at that time might have made a difference, though with the national tone perhaps not.

We win by offering better ideas than our opponents.  When we get into name calling or making it personal, we lose the ears of the voters -- we also lose valuable time in making our message.  If we want voters to vote for us, we need to define ourselves well, not just try to make the opposition seem even worse than us.

Right now, we have golden opportunities for 2012 -- and I think from what I can see, Democrats are responding well.  We're hitting Republican "ideas," if they can be called that, and offering our better visions.  If we keep that up, and keep the personalities themselves to a minimum, we'll do quite well in 646 days.  

Voters are STILL looking for change.  That's the message we need to let them hear by November, 2012; that our opponents have bad ideas, not that they're bad people.  We can't let the clutter of personalities and negatives block out that message.  

But you raise some good questions that need to be part of the ongoing dialogue.  


[ Parent ]
OK... (4.00 / 2)
I think you as well as well bring up good points about the importance of having a better message.

However, we do have better ideas. That isn't the problem. It has never been the problem so having better ideas isn't going to solve it.

Our weaknesses include our inability to communicate our ideas without over-explaining them. In response to catch phrases attacking Health Care we came out with long winded and highly detailed explinations. The public never heard our side because they fell asleep.

I think that Democrats are responding well right now. They are responding well to us coming at the opposition from every side. We're flinging a lot of mud and we're making sure the public knows we aren't the bad guys, we're just the messengers. We need to keep at it.

We weren't too far from telling the public," So what if you are begging us to focus on other issues" for the last two years so we need to make sure they know we hear them this time.

But as you said we are taking a different tack currently and it seems to have been effective. The sanctomy has been lessened. Hopefully the message will be one which more closely mimics Middle America's top tier issue list instead of coming off as, "We know better, you may not like it but we are doing this for your own good and what you have to say doesn't matter."

Voters may still be looking for "Change" but as a slogan I think that word's usefulness is restricted to firing up the diehard troops these days. It is almost a relief to have the other side co-opting these words. People don't believe us anymore. We burned that bridge by not focusing on jobs.

When we say "Hope" and "Change" voters hear "Empty" and "Promises." I think we would be better off saying, "Jobs," "Security" and (a voter favorite) "Results."

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


[ Parent ]
We Need Not Say "Hope" And "Change" As Slogans... (0.00 / 0)
...in order to communicate those messages.  Those can be empty words without the messages.  Remember Gary Hart's "New Ideas" slogan in 1984? -- "New Ideas For A New Generation In America."  Walter Mondale's "Where's The Beef" was a great counter because Hart hadn't defined his "ideas" at that moment so his message didn't have enough depth or substance.  

It's our vision -- suggestions for change -- ideas for hope -- that will win it for us in 2012.  Not saying those words; showing what they mean.  As you say -- the results.  

On that, we can agree.  American voters really are very smart, and they'll see that the current crowd they voted in this past November doesn't have the real answers for our future.  Our job, if we'd like to accept it (it's not quite "Mission Impossible") is to beat them at their game without beating them down as people.  

We can do that, and be very effective at doing so.


[ Parent ]
I would suggest that "hope and "change" were empty slogans all along... (0.00 / 0)
...but that's sort of besides the point. One again, I hear and appreciate what you are saying Jim but I'm going to disagree on the specifics.

It is my firm opinion that even using the words "hope" and "change" to explain the Democratic Party's platform is a bad idea. We repeated ad nauseum for an entire year and then we didn't honor what the actual concepts meant to the public. We don't need to remind the public that Obama spent a lot of his term so far being viewed as out-of-touch and ineffectual.

If our aim is achieve (and become seen as synonymous with the concept of) results it might behoove us to start talking specifics instead of obtuse pep-squad phrases like hope and change. Basically I'm staying we need to stop referring to our vision, ideals, et cetera and start talking about what those words actually mean to us.

American voters are smart. They are also inundated with information and media every waking second of their lives. There is a lot of stuff out there to process for the everyday American. We need to stop making them work so hard to quickly understand what we are trying to do for them. (Does anyone think the oh-so-erudite health care town meetings actually convinced any voters to support health care who did not before we started them???)

While I appreciate your ideals here I simply think beating the Right can not be done without being pragmatic enough to actually play the game of politics.

In fact I am reminded by the conversation of a few I had with some long-time Democratic activists who were in complete disagreement with how the Shaheen and Gore campaigns were going about things in 2000. The long-time NH Dem activists wanted us to concentrate on holding the hand of established activists instead recruiting and engaging new voters. It was a nice idea but it had never helped them win before....

What you are describing is very nice and all but it's not going to get us anywhere with the Independents and moderates. With them, it doesn't matter how high minded our ideals are because we won't be winning any elections.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


[ Parent ]
arghhhhh, I swear I always read the preview, post and only then notice the typos... (0.00 / 0)
***without*** them we won't be winning any elections.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

[ Parent ]
semblence of civility on the part of the editors, hmmmm... (0.00 / 0)
That is important.

I suppose it also doesn't add to the overall image or gravitas of the site to have the moderating done so publicly. Especially if the conversation is going to degenerate into admittedly somewhat unflattering commentary on both sides.

This sort of thing will come up with one person or another, especially in stressful times.

I'm wondering if perhaps their might be a way go about it that works out better for all involved.

Is there a functionality in the software that allows for editors to send a PM or email a poster?

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


[ Parent ]
Ahem (4.00 / 2)
(My Jeeves-like cough)

With the disclaimer that a blog, strictly speaking, is not a journalistic enterprise, journalistically, JBB has a valid point in that hidden comment that us registered users can all see.

One could argue it a variety of ways, and the role of BH editor could be defined in some sense as bigger than a seat in the citizen legislature (simple math -- six editors, 435 reps), but with the site's renewed focus on state business, such questions have to be addressed. Or so I think.

I'm not taking a position on what Jennifer should do, but the dilemma JBB highlights is real. For example: a user being polite to Jennifer's opponent serves Jennifer's interest. That is a pretty pure conflict of interest, even though it's a minor one.

The tea coffee is now ready, and will be served in the main dining room.



[ Parent ]
one could argue (0.00 / 0)
that hiding a comment that fairly calls into question the FP Editor role, in a respectful tone, when an actual conflict may exist, goes to the heart of the issue of credibility or its lack.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


[ Parent ]
Things that bug me (4.00 / 1)
- A FP that is far an away the most abusive and condescending of any troll, yet she is left unchecked.

- An absentee FP

- A FP that is running for office and it appears that the herders are out so the blog doesn't look bad.

- An endless FP promotion of party emeritus editorials. Please just make her a FP and get it over with.

- Dean not having the rudder.

I don't recognize BH anymore. In many ways, that is a good thing. I really respect that this blog is going toe to toe with the radical right in NH.

But there are negatives. I offer this advice out of love.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?


[ Parent ]
Jack (4.00 / 2)
Please know that it has never been a part of any site management discussion that the site needed to "look good" for Jennifer, who despite running an agressive grassroots campaign managed to keep one eye on keeping things up and running here.

The only thing that has us on edge and "herding" was sharp reminder that (for privilege of  being a FP ) we might find ourselves on the other side of a phone call from detective or member of the states attny generals office.

A new normal will emerge and I hope we can continue to be a place with diverse viewpoints and robust discussion.

Now, excuse me while I return to being absentee ;-)  

Hope > Fear




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[ Parent ]
Collateral Damage (0.00 / 0)
I was aiming at Ms. Laura and hit you.

I just now noticed the long overdue, imho, adjustment.

Owe you a beer. Two even.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?


[ Parent ]
And I (0.00 / 0)
... will buy Jennifer one. Two even.


[ Parent ]
It's funny but I was an (4.00 / 3)
FP editor the whole time I ran for office in 2010 and nobody said anything. It's only when I honestly call someone out for what I feel is an inappropriate comment that now I'm suspected of having a "conflict of interest".

Sorry, but name calling, commenting on the clothing and  looks of the someone's  girlfriend, and saying people who disagree with us are somehow not human are NOT going to help our cause. That's my stance, whether running for office or not.

And I note how ironic the title of this diary(that we've fully hijacked by now)is.


[ Parent ]
It's different now (4.00 / 2)
It's a different phase of BH, which is healthy.

But for the record, you're not "suspected" of having a conflict of interest. You have a conflict of interest, period.

To me, it's not a deal-breaker by any means, and I'm certainly not trying to talking you out of FPing. I just wanted to back up the fact that JBB had a valid point. He was told not to go there, but (in my opinion) BH has to go there, or it's not BH.



[ Parent ]
I should have said (4.00 / 1)
I shudder at such well heeled young folks, who upon attaining a lofty office, do what they accused us of doing...being the real death panels. Why should I act polite when I don't feel polite? They will cut to the bone, then cut taxes, then use that as an excuse to cut HHS even further, putting the poor the disabled, the disadvantaged at a real loss.

I am old enough to not need an excuse to have an opinion. I don't believe that there is any negotiating with DJ and Co.
Like Ms. Sullivan said to DiStaso when asked about her new org. We'll have to fight fire with fire. We lost being nice.
So yes, they do seem Stepford to me, as in programmed to believe a certain set of political precepts without being swayed by the facts. Last I looked I am still entitled to my opinion. I think this space takes itself way to seriously. It is a blog no more no less, and as such open to opinion. Even wrong opinion. When my comment went awry last month it should have spawned a converstaion on what is acceptable sppech, but by flogging and hiding the issue was frozen without discussion. I don't think my emotions were misplaced regarding the Speaker or his ilk. Do You?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


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Well, I'm not running for office (0.00 / 0)
and I had the same reaction.

Apparently Jim S. and others as well, too.

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I keep telling Jonny (0.00 / 0)
Take up poetry.

Commity kills.

Mull that over, please.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?


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tell me how the last two years of comments 'helps the Democratic cause' (4.00 / 1)
If we use results as a guide to judge what helps the Democratic cause in New Hampshire, this site's comments were a huge FAIL for Democrats. Would more comments have equaled a better result? Fewer? None? Irrelevant?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


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Democracy has not advanced..its in retreat so what are you talking about ? n/t (0.00 / 0)


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


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gag! (4.00 / 2)
Get over yourself Jim.

We may be better at taking the high road but he right is better at picking the road right into middle america's hearts and minds.

The Right flings a lot of mud. It's icky and yucky and dirty but the truth is it that it works. If it didn't we wouldn't have Fox news.

If we do not speak plainly we will not regain the ear of the voters. It is a plain truth that these guys are hateful, small-minded jerks who could care less about the problems of anyone who is the least bit differences than them.

If I had a choice between knowing I took the high road and accomplishing something that reflect of my most cherished ideals I'd take the latter every time.

I'm hoping that given that same choice you would too.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


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We Can Speak Plainly... (0.00 / 0)
...without being rude.  

And "get over yourself Jim" is also kind of rude, but it won't bother me though I don't know why I deserve that from you.  

About your other reference, we can also take a high road AND accomplish something.  It doesn't have to be a choice.  And being crude by attacking the way someone looks or dresses isn't necessary in order to defeat one's ideas.

Besides, I use my own real name when I speak out, Blue Granite.  


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Ahhh, see there is the rub. (0.00 / 0)
From a certain point of view the dismissive way you responded was rude.

But of course you wouldn't be dismissive or rude. There is certainly nothing snipey in "Besides, I use my own real name when I speak out, Blue Granite." That comment in no way resembles the sort of dismissive sanctimony that one might encounter at the mean girls' table in the middle school cafeteria.

To speak to the actual issue though. OK, I'll bite. Give me some example of things the left has accomplished by taking the high road. If you have any, I'd also be interested in examples of when the Right has lost ground by being crude.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


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Gay Marriage, For One (4.00 / 2)
We won that in 2009 by holding some Democrats who probably would have preferred not to vote for it, and getting some Republicans because we avoided making it an "us" vs. "them" issue.  We'll keep it the same way.

The abolition of the NH Death Penalty in 2000,for another:  passed by a Republican House and Democratic State Senate, vetoed by then-Governor Jeanne Shaheen.  Both issues I was involved in by the way -- both very controversial.  

Through the years, women's coice, the fight for equality for disabilities, and even the effort to better fund education throughout the state. Democrats and Republicans, sometimes conservatives joining with liberals, for good causes.

When we play in the dirt, we eventually blind each other.  When we throw the mud, we eventually get stuck in it.  

I'm not saying that we shouldn't fight hard.  I think I've done that through the years, and contributed to winning on some important causes.  But I'll suggest that we best win when we fight smart as well as hard.  Sometimes when we win that way, the opposition doesn't even know how they lost, and that's especially cool.  


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ahhh, hmmm (0.00 / 0)
Let's see. Gay Marriage... The last decade or so of the fight were very dignified and I have immense respect for the groups involved for not only what they accomplished but the way they went about things.  

I may have a divergent opinion on this one but would you not trace this victory to keystone accomplishments of the early days of ACT UP? I may have my history mixed up here but weren't they very big on bursting in uninvited to rooms that housed legislative bodies and the like back in the day?

The abolition of the death penalty may indeed have been won by taking the high road. ..Or it may have been won the growing pile of DNA evidence showing how many times we put the wrong person to death. Either way, forgive me for saying so but, I wouldn't place the death penalty as a top tier issue for most Americans, whether they have an opinion on the matter or not.

You may have me at disabilities but then again, was that fought won in large part because of small organizations quietly working or were their accomplishments made possible by high profile people doing high profile things like creating the special Olympics? Would high minded lobbying have gotten anywhere with it?

The women's movement? Oh my gosh. Don't make me laugh. In the eyes of what was considered polite Lady Cady Stanton and her cohorts were the definition of crude! They may have been organized and civilized but they through a lot of dirt.

I have walked by enough counter protests at abortion clinics to take the language I hear at both sides of those events as a hint that the original crusaders for choice might have had some choice words for their opponents as well.

The statewide efforts to fund education has been absolutely dominated by the opposition and their catchy slogans. Our high road tactics have yet to come close to finding a solution to the problem.

I do agree that we need to avoid making it us vs. them. ...Sort of. We need to convince the public that that the voters and the Democrats are an "us" and the Republicans are "them" that want to keep "us" down.

I'm not saying we shouldn't fight hard. I'm saying sometimes hard work involves getting your hands dirty.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey


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Healthcare (0.00 / 0)
  The thing that bothers me most is that every reason insurance companies are using for raising premiums and the fight over the mandate could have been avoided with the public option.  Now that young adults can be covered until the age of 26 by there parents I would wager that the percentage of people that would be affected by the mandate would be around 5 to 7%.

my hidden comments tab is gone btw n/t (0.00 / 0)


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man." Ned Potter
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king" Erasmus of Rotterdam


Awesome. (4.00 / 2)
Diary asking for grownups thoroughly hijacked by a childish comment in the thread.

As for all this navel-gazing on what BH is or isn't, conflicts of interest, the what constitutes civil blogging,  et al... please.

One of the great pleasures of stepping away from managing this place is seeing - for the first time really! - what great value this site has.  It's my first click in the morning, and I come away learning a great deal.  The variety of writers both FP and not make it a vibrant and vital place.  Ultimately, it's the usefulness of the content of the diaries and what the subsequent thread might be able to add to it that is so valuable.  Everything else, not so much.

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Oh, sure (0.00 / 0)
Now it's navel gazing. :-!

The unexamined blog, my friend, is ... how's that go?



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Frankly... (0.00 / 0)
I've been meaning to kvetch for some time now. But the good outweighs the bad, and.

And, you, all that you do, or did as it were, held me back. It was your thing and you worked harder at it than any of us. So, zip.

But now, it's square one. These newbs have no laurels to stay my mean finger.

It's baptism by fire.

PS. Something is fishy about your depart. BH is peeking, right as the primary is approaching.....


Whack-a-mole, anyone?


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Point Made, Dean... (4.00 / 1)
...and point taken.  I apologize for being one of those participating in a hijacking of the important issue you raised.

About your primary blogpost topic, there is a need for not only grownups, but grownups who will realize that many people in our state and nation are hurting.  

The health care that President Obama and Democrats passed can help many people like Hillary St. Pierre in our nation, and there are many.  

Some can't afford the relatively inexpensive blood pressure meds that will keep them from having a stroke or heart attack that will then cost much money for treatment in an emergency room.  

Others can't afford what is minor surgery for a child that would result in making a life of productivity instead of dependence.  

When they look back at their lives in a few decades, perhaps those in power today trying to stop health care will see that their actions were political and selfish.  They will be so judged.


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This is what burns me. (4.00 / 3)
Some can't afford the relatively inexpensive blood pressure meds that will keep them from having a stroke or heart attack that will then cost much money for treatment in an emergency room.  

Others can't afford what is minor surgery for a child that would result in making a life of productivity instead of dependence.  

Grownup minds, who understand the complexities of life, know that investment means cost savings down the road.

Society is better, and on better financial footing, with a healthy populace.

But instead the sloganeers rule the day with quick fixes that will cost us later in lives and money.

birch paper


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