Shea-Porter/Guinta Debate Liveblog

Frank: (0.00 / 0)

"we need to do everything we can through the regulatory process" to protect estuary.

This is a man who advocates abolishing Dept. of Energy.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:24:23 PM CDT

Carol hitting a home run (0.00 / 0)

on congress working to help education.

Frank wants to blame college costs on federal gov't investment in education.  Huh?

Does he even know what he's saying?


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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:28:07 PM CDT

Here we go. Carol wants a straight answer on Social Security. (0.00 / 0)

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:28:46 PM CDT

Guinta again with the nonsensical talking points on SS. (0.00 / 0)

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:30:29 PM CDT

Never answered the question. (0.00 / 0)

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:31:43 PM CDT

Guinta trying to gin up the phony lobbyist money. (0.00 / 0)

CSP turns it right around w/ 1.1 special interest money that support Guinta.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:33:28 PM CDT

Guinta brings up fundraising, and then complains about (0.00 / 0)

talking about fundraising.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:33:58 PM CDT

Guinta lying about his lying on student loans. (0.00 / 0)

Unbelievable.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:36:17 PM CDT

Guinta claims he was tough on crime in Manchester. (0.00 / 0)

What now?

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:38:00 PM CDT

Guinta just praised Manchester's night clubs and bars. (4.00 / 1)

Priceless!

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:38:41 PM CDT

Guinta wants to encourage investment in alternative energy. (0.00 / 1)

Huh?

Last debate he said we can't "pick winners and losers."

He is incapable of the truth.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:41:27 PM CDT

Guinta picking winners and losers again on immigration. (0.00 / 0)

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:44:24 PM CDT

Guinta: Yes, America is a Christian nation. (4.00 / 1)

Who asked this nonsense question?

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:45:20 PM CDT

Pindell: "Should we view Muslims with suspicion?" (0.00 / 0)

Where are we going here?

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:46:33 PM CDT

Guinta in favor of letting Facebook leak data. (0.00 / 0)

His reasoning is that he doesn't let his kids use Facebook.

What planet is he on?

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:47:45 PM CDT

Guinta digging in on this!!!! (0.00 / 0)

Defending Facebook's leaking of data to 3rd party apps!

What is he doing?  

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:49:18 PM CDT

Conservatives, in addition to blaming the victim for any (0.00 / 0)

negative consequence (that's what "personal responsibility" means), believe that the morality of an action is determined by the affected person.  So, if a person consents to abuse, the behavior is not abusive.  If a person voluntarily gives anything to another person, the recipient is free to do with it what s/he wants.

Which means that if a woman voluntarily surrenders her privacy and has sexual relations with someone, that person is entitled to the enjoyment and fruits thereof.  It used to be that a woman's failure to forcibly resist being raped and having the physical injuries to prove it was adjudged to have given implied consent.

There are people who think that their desire for something creates an obligation in someone else to give it to them.  People who want to be obeyed, think others have an obligation to obey them and, if that obligation isn't met, the disobedient deserve punishment.  It's a pattern of social interaction most parents follow with very small children, presumably, if they are caring parents, to protect children from doing things that would harm them (like running into the road in front of cars).  Some parents have children because they want someone to obey them without question.  It's those people who turn into abusive parents and account for why we have so many run-away juveniles.
It seems that individuals who are lacking in self-discipline are focused on disciplining others.  This is socially re-enforced because their lack of self-discipline prompts others to provide direction and then the un-disciplined just imitate that behavior.  Then we look at them and conclude that they're hypocrites -- saying one thing and doing another.

We assume that a person who's keen on discipline (law and order) is self-disciplined.  That assumption is false.  The self-disciplined person is a liberal because he assumes others are self-disciplined, even when he can see that they're not. The rogue has disdain for the liberal and, in effect, asks, "why can't you see I'm a rogue, if you're so smart?"

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by: hannah @ Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 03:15:27 AM CDT

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What's with the Guinta clappers? (0.00 / 0)

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:53:00 PM CDT

Guinta's marathon will cure autism. (0.00 / 0)

Boy does he not mind getting surreal to stay on his Breitbart talking points.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:54:38 PM CDT

Q: How has the recession affect you. (0.00 / 0)

Guinta: he's had to tighten the budget.

So where'd that $355K come from?

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 18:56:15 PM CDT

Wow, that was a crummy live-stream. (4.00 / 3)

After November WMUR should invest some of that money they are making in post Citizens United ad cash to improve their tech.

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by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 19:04:14 PM CDT

Free State Frank (0.00 / 0)

After the debate Bill Duncan suggested that Frank is a Free Stater.

Bill's right. Bill told me that Guinta has publicly stated that he doesn't think we need meat inspections either.

Dean--too bad you showed up too late to see the numerous Glenn Beck signs before the debate.

Of course if you like Glenn Beck you'll love Frank Guinta.

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by: Chaz Proulx @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 21:58:39 PM CDT

have to correct one thing (0.00 / 0)

Guinta and the rest of the health care industry (especially big pharma) have little to no interest in curing disease.  Sure, they can cure a bacterial infection, but there's little money in that.  What they want is chronic disease, which creates chronic trips to the doctor and pharmacy for expensive meds and then (hopefully) a "cure", which is probably being on a drug or two for the rest of your life.  The best thing for big pharma, and thus Frank Guinta and the rest of the GOP these companies prop up, is to have the entire country diagnosed with hypertension, type II diabetes, and typical angina.  The only incentive they have to develop cures for cancer is PR and the 10 years they can exploit patent law and sick Americans.

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by: Timmy J @ Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 22:22:21 PM CDT

Right. That's why you don't make getting rid of things you don't want (0.00 / 0)

a profit center.  Profit depends on recurring revenue.  Success spells halt.  So, profit demands that the enterprise fail.  

Now, there's a theme -- the tyranny of profit

How do we explain failure by design?  It's the tyranny of profit.

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by: hannah @ Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 02:50:26 AM CDT

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