The New Ratings System

I like it (0.00 / 0)

not in the FB sorta way.

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 11:17:50 AM CDT

Have done it (3.50 / 2)

Only trusted users have the ability to Troll rate.

"Trust" = the total of your last 8 comments must be equal or greater than 24.... Hopefully there are no "Butterfly Effects"...

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 09:00:45 AM CDT

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Clarification? (4.00 / 1)

Last 8 comments, or last 8 rated comments?

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by: RealNRH @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 12:29:32 PM CDT

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Last rated (0.00 / 0)

The exact language in the admin is

"Sum of last 8 ratings greater or equal to 24"

I assume it ignores unrated comments.

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 21:45:05 PM CDT

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That explains why (3.50 / 2)

My rating choices consist of one option.

You have effectively required commentors to kowtow to bullies.


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by: Jack Mitchell @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 16:26:48 PM CDT

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Changed! (4.00 / 3)

was not meant to be that way...1, 3, 4 avail to all. 0 only to "Trusted"

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 21:54:26 PM CDT

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I do like it, and have been arguing for it for years. (3.50 / 2)

BUT, I do think that instead of "Funny, made me laugh", the 3 rating should mean "Mostly agree". I often see a post with just one thing holding me back from giving a 4. I have no problem giving a 4 to something funny.

Not sure if SoapBlox allows it, but it might be good if a post without any ratings defaulted to 2.00/0, rather than 0.00/0. That way it's "neutral" between the possibilities and ratings up or down pull it one way or the other.

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 11:21:05 AM CDT

neat idea (3.75 / 4)

on the ratings system, but beyond the system capabilities.

and I did change 3 to Mostly Agree

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 14:49:23 PM CDT

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Thanks, Mike! (4.00 / 1)

Feel free to blame me if people don't like that.

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 18:18:29 PM CDT

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Thanks for noticing... (3.20 / 5)

Wanted to try it out in a organic sort of way and see how it went.

We did do a diary on the subject some time ago with inconclusive (imagine that!) input.

I mainly wanted to give an option to disagree without resorting the the "TROLL" rating. Stuck me then that we had two "Bad" options and only one "good" option so added the 3.

Can always switch back to our binary system it it does not work out.

What do others think?


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by: Mike Hoefer @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 11:55:37 AM CDT

"Made me laugh" is too specific (4.00 / 1)

And agreement is different from uprating, or should be.

If the four levels are something like Great, Good, Poor, Awful (eliminating the "Fair" middleman), I can live with that. (Well, really I can live with anything, and appreciate the opportunity to comment.)

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by: JimC @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 12:02:21 PM CDT

Can someone tell me where I go to use the rating system (0.00 / 0)

old or new?  (I'm not very tech savvy...)

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by: Marjorie Porter @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 12:45:26 PM CDT

Drop-down menu (3.67 / 3)

Marjorie, you can rate comments by clicking on the drop-down menu to the right of "Reply" a the bottom of each comment.  Hope that helps!

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by: FrankLloydMike @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 14:06:25 PM CDT

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Of course! Thank you! (0.00 / 0)

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by: Marjorie Porter @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 14:44:43 PM CDT

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Interesting.... (0.00 / 0)

there is a setting on the amin area...

"Trusted user= Sum of last X ratings greater or equal to Y"

Currently set to 10 ratings greater than 30.

You can then restrict access any/all ratings to "Trusted Users". I'm going to sleep on it, but it strikes me we may want to restrict access to the "Troll" rating to "Trusted Users"  

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 14:58:33 PM CDT

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I have no 3 option. (4.00 / 1)

Could that be the reason?

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by: Will May @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 17:09:20 PM CDT

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I'd have to assume so... (3.00 / 1)

I'll make that rating avail to all but going to think hard about make "Troll" avail only to "Trusted"

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 20:16:18 PM CDT

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I like that idea. n/t (3.00 / 1)

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by: Will May @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 21:18:13 PM CDT

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I can see why you'd do that with "troll" (4.00 / 1)

But everything else--4, 3, and 1--should be available to everyone, or at least to whatever class of users has always been able to rate things. I assume it's registered users who have been registered a certain amount of time or posted a certain number of comments.

People shouldn't be punished for using 1 a lot.

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 16:38:05 PM CDT

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It changed already! (4.00 / 1)

You're nothing if not dynamic, M. Hoefer.

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by: JimC @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 14:48:53 PM CDT

Fibonacci (4.00 / 5)

could do the Fibonacci sequence... 1,2,3,5,8,13

or how about an

11- when you really, really agree

:-)

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 22:26:55 PM CDT

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Definitely a plus (3.67 / 3)

to distinguish between troll and disagreement.  I also like having two shades of good.  Like Doug, I like being able to register approval of most of the content without endorsing all of it.

Thanks for the change!

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by: Lucy Weber @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 17:12:43 PM CDT

One negative (0.00 / 0)

Easier to hit the wrong rating when entering a choice on a small touchscreen. But other than that, looks fine. Are there options for multiple ratings with the same value? There could be '3 - Funny' and '3 - mostly agree' as separate options, things like that.

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by: RealNRH @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 19:03:42 PM CDT

Interesting... (4.00 / 1)

Tried it and the system sort of puked, in the technical sense.

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 20:17:20 PM CDT

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Hmm (3.00 / 2)

Well, not exactly a critical need. I suspect over time there'll be some call to go back to 4/0 again, though, when people start viewing the system as '4/anything-that-wrecks-my-perfect-score'.

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by: RealNRH @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 22:52:47 PM CDT

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Free 2 ! n/t (3.00 / 2)

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by: JonnyBBad @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 20:21:56 PM CDT

I Rate It... (3.50 / 2)

...a FIVE!

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Wed Jul 06, 2011 at 21:39:27 PM CDT

Personally, I dislike grading other people's efforts, (4.00 / 1)

but I appreciate that some people really need to have feed-back and many others are reluctant to write comments.  In eight years on Dailykos, I think I've registered disapproval twice.  Never on BH. There are no nasty posters here, unlike on OFA, which also has a commercial spam problem.
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by: hannah @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 05:54:42 AM CDT

too often (0.00 / 0)

I start to read something I like or dislike but don't choose to comment because others have already said what I would say or I just don't want to encourage trolls. This system would appear to give the option of registering my response. Let's run it around the block.

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by: robert @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 08:25:03 AM CDT

The new 3: a passive-aggressive choice (3.50 / 8)

If you "mostly agree" the proper response is to post a comment explaining where you disagree.

The notion that a comment cannot possibly be Excellent if I slightly disagree with it is remarkably egotistical.

But: I can live with this ratings system, even though I will continue to limit my own ratings to 0s and 4s.

Someone should alert Carl Nyberg.

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by: elwood @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 11:36:22 AM CDT

Disagree! (4.00 / 2)

Some people give a "4" to something they think is well written. To some people, a "4" means "I completely agree." In my book, it can also mean "that was funny" or "thank you."

I seldom give a "4" to a comment that has any significant thing I disagree with. I respond or I ignore it.

"Mostly agree" doesn't mean "I agree but it wasn't very well-written." It means "I'm with you, but not entirely." If someone gives this post a "3", I'll assume it means s/he agrees with two of its three parts.

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 16:35:20 PM CDT

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Look up "Excellent" in the dictionary of your choice n/t (1.00 / 1)

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by: elwood @ Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 17:58:27 PM CDT

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I disagree with your approach to this. (4.00 / 2)

I think the sociology is more important than the definition.

Put another way, how people use it matters more than what it's called.

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 00:45:13 AM CDT

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Kind of agree with elwood on this (0.00 / 0)

but I probably won't rate it a "3", since "none, 0, 4" has worked OK for me; "none" where I had no objection and/or chose not to rate, "0" used sparingly for trolls and troll-like behavior, and "4" for what I consider noteworthy in some way that got my attention, whether I agreed completely or not. Anytime I felt I needed to shade a rating, I would simply make a comment in addition to clarify my reaction (not that it actually matters what I think!).

As Doug mentioned somewhere else here, learning to view fractional ratings as not necessarily negative will require an adjustment period.

Mostly I hate having to decide with rating systems, so I will probably just keep doing what I am doing, but I have no objections to the, um, greying of the scale if it works for others.

2012 is sooner than you think. Ready?

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by: GreyMike @ Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 09:43:40 AM CDT

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don't care much, but (0.00 / 0)

creating a 3 to be symmetric is a little obsessive.  Not all human behaviour has a symmetric distribution.  Trollish comments stand alone, there's no symmetric super-excellent equivalent.  1 and 4 make a nice balance.  3 is kind of weird.

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by: kite @ Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 20:43:31 PM CDT