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The Worse Than Civil Unions Bill--A Preview

by: Lucy Weber

Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 21:45:02 PM EDT


(Thank you for the detailed write-up! - promoted by William Tucker)

As you know, the NH House Judiciary Committee just voted 11-6 in favor of repealing marriage equality.  Of course, the amendment to HB 437 adopted by the Committee is not, as far as I know, available online yet, and I am a lousy typist.  So here are just a few of the coming attractions from the Worse Than Civil Unions Bill.  (And thanks to Dean Barker for the extremely apt handle.)

Of course, the worst part of the bill is that it repeals marriage equality, and actually takes rights from NH citizens.  But there is so much more in the bill to hate.  And maybe even some to...well...laugh at.

Aside from the repeal itself, here is the language I find the most offensive.

Children can only be conceived naturally through copulation by heterosexual couples.  Because of this biological reality, New Hampshire has a unique, distinct, and compelling interest in promoting stable and committed marital unions between opposite-sex couples so as to increase the likelihood that children will be born to and raised by both of their natural parents. No other domestic relationship presents the same level of state interest. (Emphasis added.)

So not only will this bill marginalize our lesbian and gay families, but also families with single parents, childless couples, infertile couples, adoptive parents, foster parents, and loving stepparents.  If your family does not look like their narrow picture of what a family is, watch out.   My hope for every child is to be welcomed into a stable and loving family.  I also know that every one of us knows at least one set of biological parents who should not be entrusted with the care of a gerbil, let alone a child.  Biological parenthood does not, of itself, guarantee good parenting or a stable home, no matter how much we change a statute to favor it.

And c'mon, folks, do we really need to use the word "copulation" in the statutes as a purpose for marriage?  Really?

Lucy Weber :: The Worse Than Civil Unions Bill--A Preview
When he introduced the amendment, Representative Bates stated that it reinstated the civil unions that were in place in NH prior to the enactment of marriage equality.  Except there were a few differences.  Okay, so what are the differences?  

The original civil union legislation was enacted to give same-sex couples rights and responsibilities already bestowed on opposite sex couples.  The Worse Than Civil Unions bill defines a civil union as "

a contractual agreement that provides reciprocal benefits and obligations to the parties to the agreement."
 I have no idea why we need legislation to accomplish this.  Consenting adults already have the right to enter into contracts.  Same-sex couples have decades of experience with relationship-by-contract.  It doesn't work.  So why would anyone actually want that?

Which brings us to the issue of who may enter into a civil union.  We are told the Worse than Civil Unions Bill is actually better than the old civil union statute because it allows heterosexual couples to have one of these arrangements.  Can't you just see the crowd of heterosexual New Hampshire residents storming the State House to demand access to their very own second class relationship?  No, me neither.  The one thing that everyone agreed on at the long-ago hearing on this bill was that the word "marriage" matters: it is the gold standard.

But there is more!  We were told that brothers and sisters and parents and their adult children will now be allowed to have these Worse Than Civil Unions.  If any reader has EVER heard any NH resident ask for that, will you please let me know?  A late amendment to the amendment also allows people who are STILL married to one person to have a Worse than Civil Union with someone else, as long as they are legally separated from the person they are still married to.  What is THAT about?  I really want to hear from anyone wanting one of THOSE.  Seriously.

And now that I am re-reading the text of the amendment, I don't even see where it specifically restricts civil unions to only two persons.  There is one passing reference to "either" party, but the other references are just to "the parties," without stating specifically that there is a limit of two.  I might have missed it, but if not, how ironic that the folks who have been yelling for years that marriage equality will lead immediately to polygamy may have gone and created "polygamy light" all by themselves.

And the Worse Than Civil Unions Bill is such a model of internal consistency.

The amendment does say that

[t]he parties who enter into a civil union pursuant to this chapter shall be entitled to all the rights and subject to all the obligations that apply to parties who are joined pursuant to RSA 457, except as specifically waived by the parties to the agreement or as specifically excluded by the legislature. (Emphasis added)
 I wonder what the exception means?  Well, before we even get to this provision, we have to wade through this:
I.  Many adults are parties to various kinds of domestic relationships other than marriage.  Some of these relationships are intended to provide mutual support and responsibilities.  Those involved in such caretaking partnerships may desire recognition of their status by the state to gain access to benefits typically reserved for husbands and wives.
 Yup, it's always been just about the benefits.

II.  Inclusive civil unions are intended to address the needs of these adults for practical benefits in matters such as hospital visitation, property, and support obligations.  Inclusive civil union agreements provide the benefits, rights and responsibilities that most clearly address needs concerning adult caretaking and affection.
 So what about if you have kids?  Oh, right.  That never happens.

III.  We realize that the default contract appropriate for these nonstandard relationships may be different from that which has arisen to address the unique realities of opposite sex unions in marriage;  by creating a distinct and separate status, parties to civil unions can more easily petition the legislature to address their specific needs as they arise.
 Let me see...so a Worse that Civil Union is just like a marriage, except that it is not like a marriage at all?  My take, and I have, by now, sat through many, many hours of public testimony and received thousands of emails over the last five years, is that many of our citizens did indeed ask the Legislature to address their specific needs. They wanted equal access to state sanctioned civil marriage, and the Legislature provided it.  The people who are currently petitioning the Legislature are those who want to take it away again.

What about the same-sex couple who already have a valid NH marriage?   Good news!  

Any marriage of New Hampshire residents recognized as valid prior to the effective date of this section shall continue to be recognized as valid on or after the effective date of this section.
 But wait!  Before we got to that part, it said,  
No court or administrative body shall construe or consider this legislative action as evidence of a public policy which would recognize any same-sex relationship as a marriage or would otherwise entitle same-sex couples to that status.
 So which is it?  Beats me.  And don't even ask what happens to couples from outside NH who came here and got married, and boosted our economy by leaving some cash behind.  I have no idea what their status will be if this bill is passed.

And then there is the section titled Religious Liberty.  I would transcribe it, but I am too tired.  Suffice it to say that although a person with a civil union is entitled to all the rights of a married person, no one can be penalized for refusing to treat as valid any civil union if that would violate their sincerely held religious or moral beliefs.  So people only have to treat a civil union as valid if they want to?  And the drafters of this amendment apparently don't care that this provision also conflicts with RSA 354-A 10.

Might there be unintended consequences?  Hmmm...let's see, if I have a civil union with my sister, and she dies without a will, do I inherit under the intestacy statute as her sister, or as her spouse?  What about the rights of her children with her current husband from whom she will have to legally separate before she and I civilly unionize?  Oh, wow, I can just see the potential for litigation there.

I have a hard time deciding whether to scream or just ...laugh.

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I say "copulate you" (4.00 / 7)

To Cornerstone, and all the other morons who disgrace NH.


Thank you Lucy. (4.00 / 4)
Unbelievable!

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.  (John Morley, 1838-1923)

You are a saint (4.00 / 9)
for patiently wading through this mess of a bill, Rep. Weber.

Thank you!

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Anyone Who Votes For This Legislation... (4.00 / 3)
...has no conscience.

I use that word because it is defined in my online Merriam-Webster dictionary as

"the sense or consciousness of the moral goodness or blameworthiness of one's own conduct, intentions, or character together with a feeling of obligation to do right or be good; a sensitive regard for fairness or justice."

Thank you for such a thorough analysis.  

[I'm a former has-been House member and State Senator, but I keep "Rep." on my ID name for easy reference of previous posts.]

Some people have no sense of self or the other. (4.00 / 1)
Therefore it is not possible for them to be conscious or consensual or consenting.

Such people are isolates.

And because they do not understand, they resent any obligation that another might impose.

Why they aspire to be agents of government who are "bound" by the Constitution is a mystery.  Perhaps they don't understand what being bound by a sense of honor means either.


[ Parent ]
We don't have Republicans (4.00 / 4)
like New York had during their debate.  Hell, we don't have Republicans; we have extremists in sheep's clothes parading around as Republicans.

"We start working to beat these guys right now." -Jed Bartlet

[ Parent ]
Re Republicans and this debate (4.00 / 4)
Once again, I am going to remind everyone here that with respect to this issue, "Republican" and "repeal supporter" are NOT synonymous.

Even in the Judiciary Committee, two Republican Representatives voted against the repeal, just as there were Republicans who worked hard to pass the marriage equality bill in the first place.

I realize the numbers are not good, and that many in the Republican leadership have embraced the repeal effort.  Still, I implore everyone to deal with this on an individual basis, and to encourage all those who have stood against the current tide.

Here is a fact that should help you to fight a little longer.
Things that don't actually kill you outright make you stronger.

Piet Hein, Grooks


[ Parent ]
You're Right, Lucy (4.00 / 1)
And we MUST look at this issue as one that will win Republican supporters too, and not make it into a D vs. R debate.  I mentioned that last January when the repeal effort first came up.

Fact is, we would not have passed House Bill 436 for gay marriage in 2009 without Republican support.  I remember the day very well.  On March 26th of that year, our first vote in the House was 183-182 -- we lost with one vote short.  Then on another vote 15 minutes later we won passage 186 to 179.  Republicans on both votes provided our margin of victory.  Yes, we had the support of most, though not all, Democratic House members; and most, but not all, Republicans opposed.  But we won it on a bi-partisan basis.  

So, let's cheer for our Republican supporters.  We need them to provide the margin of victory in stopping repeal.  This isn't a political party cause.  It's a cause of human equality.

[I'm a former has-been House member and State Senator, but I keep "Rep." on my ID name for easy reference of previous posts.]


[ Parent ]
You don't suppose (4.00 / 4)
Rep. Bates has a troop of monkeys whose sole job is to write legislation for him?  

maybe it's ALEC (4.00 / 4)
This bill sounds like it could be oartially ALEC's work... the monkeys at ALEC are fond of overinflating their legislarion with gassy musings like the one about copulation and heterosexual couples.

However, Rep. Bates does not merely pass on other people's work: he likes to tweak his bills himself, and I am sure he will be tweaking this one again.  He is famous for bringing in amendments after the relevant subcommittees and/or committees have ostensibly finished their work.  In the case of HB 437, a subcommittee voted (not unanimously, of course) to approve an amendment, but then he brought in a different version of that amendment for the full committee's approval.  I will not be shocked if he will be offering  a floor amendment in January 2012 when the full House takes up the bill.


sitting state rep: running for re-election in 2012.


[ Parent ]
I don't think ALEC is the source... (0.00 / 0)
they are more interested in taxes, fiscal matters, and regulatory issues that they see as federal overreach. Gay marriage is not mentioned anywhere on their website as far as I can see.  

[ Parent ]
monkeys (4.00 / 2)
would write better legislation.  

[ Parent ]
monkeys (4.00 / 1)
The monkeys did write it!

[ Parent ]
I wish someone would show me (4.00 / 4)
where the RSAs of NH require a couple who seek a civil marriage license to (a) reproduce (b) wish to reproduce (c) be able to reproduce if they wanted to.  

Until then, this is pure bs bigotry and hate.


Does this leave women (4.00 / 4)
who are past menopause feeling like they should find the nearest ice floe and vanish into the mist like the useless bodies they are?

Hey, in Mississippi they're trying to give personhood (0.00 / 0)
to an egg.

http://likethedew.com/2011/10/...

Since children still have no human rights and are considered the property of their parents under the law, giving an egg legal status just means that parents can contest their property rights.  How the male parent goes about demonstrating his proprietary interests in the egg is an unanswered question.


It's the grown-ups they don't like... (4.00 / 1)
Does this include all eggs or only Caucasian eggs? We're talking Mississippi, where a white teenager runs over a black man just for fun, and the local police department calls him a "basically nice kid."

[ Parent ]
Typo (4.00 / 4)
I think there's a typo in this post.  I keep reading "Representative Bates" when it should clearly read "Representative Hates".

Sounds like the Catholic church to me (2.50 / 2)
If you're married and choose not to have children, this makes you a SINNER. Indeed, if you confess this to your priest before marrying, he can refuse to perform the ceremony.

According to the logic of this proposed legislation, heterosexuals who don't want children shouldn't be allowed to marry, either.

It sure would be refreshing if these ALEC types just came out and said what is on their mind. No kidding, it makes me pine for George Wallace and Strom Thurmond, two utterly bigoted men who nonetheless had the gonads to be honest about it.


Let's see (4.00 / 4)
How about this:  If a heterosexual couple obtains a NH Civil Marriage License and has not procreated within 18 months, then their marriage will be converted to a civil union.  

I also noticed for the first time that (0.00 / 0)
first cousin marriage is legal in in the following Northeast states:

New Jersey
New York
Vermont
Rhode Island
Connecticut
Maine

I also found out that 10% of all worldwide marriages are between first cousins and the United States is the only Western Country where it is illegal.

If I read this rule correctly it also paints this type of marriage with the same paint brush as gay marriage.

Under this proposed law the State of NH has closed the door on 10% of the worlds population and would not welcome the likes of:

Werner Von Braun and wife
Albert Einstein and wife
and
H. G. Wells and wife

Oh yes one other but this one person the Republicans wouldn't want to welcome to NH - Charles Darwin and wife.

This has to be one of the most screwed up and thoughtless laws I've ever seen.


The prohibition on first cousin marriage (0.00 / 0)
has been in the NH statutes all along.

Also is the statute is the provision that under certain circumstances, a boy as young as 14 may marry a girl as young as 13.  As long as they aren't first cousins.


Here is a fact that should help you to fight a little longer.
Things that don't actually kill you outright make you stronger.

Piet Hein, Grooks


[ Parent ]
oops---"in the statute." (0.00 / 0)
That is in the current statute.

Here is a fact that should help you to fight a little longer.
Things that don't actually kill you outright make you stronger.

Piet Hein, Grooks


[ Parent ]
I understand (0.00 / 0)
I had never given first-cousin marriage a thought. I started reading about them when I saw the proposed law. I was curious as to why they were legal in all the northeast states but NH. I never realized they were normal and that everything I knew about them was false. In many ways this country is very backward in its beliefs.

[ Parent ]
One of my favorite memories (4.00 / 2)
from the public hearing on this bill (back in the spring  when it was still a repeal bill without the other stuff) was a young woman from St. Paul's School, who said that she had researched the NH statutes in preparation for coming to the hearing to testify.  From there, her testimony ran something like this:

"So then I found out that in this state, a 14 year old boy and a 13 year old girl can get married.  That would be an eighth grade boy marrying a seventh grade girl.  And we are saying we don't want two fifty-something year old women to be able to make the decision to get married to each other?"

.....long pause........
.....eye roll as only a teenager can do it........
.....deep sigh.......

"SERIOUSLY?"

She had the best timing and delivery I had seen outside off the professional stage.

Here is a fact that should help you to fight a little longer.
Things that don't actually kill you outright make you stronger.

Piet Hein, Grooks


[ Parent ]
The slap at LGBT parents is bad enough. (0.00 / 0)
But I am actually more offended by the apparent second-class status assigned to adoptive parents, as opposed to "natural" parents.

I got news for them.  I am an adoptive parent, and there's nothing "unnatural" about it.

Uaing the term "natural parents" is akin to using the term "colored people."

Then again, I have come to expect that from this bunch.


One of my very first friends (0.00 / 0)
was adopted, back in the 1950s when people didn't necessarily talk about it.  Her parents, on the other hand, told her as far back as I can remember that she was a "chosen child."  I was SO envious.  I had an older sister and brother who would occasionally get together and tell me, chanting, that my mother was a witch and my father was a Bowery bum, and then follow with a litany of all the people in the family who did not love me.  I knew none of it was true, but I often thought of how wonderful it would be to be the chosen child, one whose parents had picked over all the rest,  not just the one that showed up.  My own family includes steps, and halfs, and adoptees, and no one can tell me they aren't family.

The bit that offends me personally is that my marriage, being late in life and therefore not about children, is also relegated to second-class status.  And how cruel is it to tell an infertile couple who long for children that they are also not quite as good as two parent families with biological children?  The list of offensiveness is nearly limitless.

And I didn't even talk about their reference to civil unions as being "nonstandard relationships..."


Here is a fact that should help you to fight a little longer.
Things that don't actually kill you outright make you stronger.

Piet Hein, Grooks


[ Parent ]
I'd be curious... (0.00 / 0)
...as to how they'd react to Common Law Marriage, which was the status of the MAJORITY of couples prior to the 1880s....

[ Parent ]
Marriage is a Civil righ! (0.00 / 0)
OK Boys and Girls,  Once more, with feeling!

The state has the authority to control marriage. The state delegates the ceremonial component to others of the couple's choosing.  No state should be in the business of state sponsored discrimination by denying any group their civil rights, be it marriage equality, the right to vote, the right of free speech etc.  This includes the civil right to marry whomever one chooses.  In no R.S.A does it mention that the willingness or ability to procreate "naturally" is a precondition of receiving a license.  The implications of such a condition boggles the mind.  That the efforts of our committed and essentially volunteer legislators must be expended on such nonsense is an assault on the idea of a volunteer legislature and an insult to those willing to serve.

"It is true that the law can't change the heart, but it can restrain the heartless."  Martin Luther King



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