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NH-02: Swett Gives Rivals an Opening

by: Dean Barker

Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 09:07:22 AM EDT
Dorgan:
Katrina Swett of Bow said she's "very seriously considering it," and does "plan to make a decision this fall."

She needs to talk to her family, she said, and figure out what to do with her professional commitments to the Lantos Foundation and to Tufts University, where she is a political science lecturer. Swett, who's amassed a near million-dollar war chest from her aborted Senate run in 2008, said she's in no rush this time: "I've just had a number of people say we're still exhausted from the 08 election," she said. "Can we just take a little break?"

I think this is a strategic error. It is mitigated to a degree by her huge warchest, but still an error.

We all know the BassMaster can't announce a run because the entire NHGOP pecking order is stalled at the top while Father and Son Sununu deliberate. So his decision to "wait" doesn't really apply.

But there's a larger paradigm shift here as well, one that the BassMaster of all people should know from his slow out-of-the-gate start in 2006 (and that Sununu the Elder hasn't figured out as well).

New Media has accelerated the pace of political campaigns, and as a result they need to start earlier than they used to. I saw this happen both in 2006 and the NH Primary and 2008. It may not be healthy or wise or "good for society," (I'm agnostic on the question), but it is what it is.

I'm sure some of you will disagree vehemently, but I am convinced of it, seeing the evolution of campaigning from a three year blogging perspective.

If I were DeJoie or Fernald or Kuster, I'd be doing a happy dance right now at the above quote.  The party activists are online now, and they are for the taking.  
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Fair Point (4.00 / 2)
Dean, there's a big difference between "doing nothing" and "making a final decision."

Your point will have more validity if Swett does not moving forward on meeting folks in the party and sharing her views on issues that matter.  Based on what I have seen thus far -- for example, Katrina's attendance at last month's New London forum with DeJoie and Fernald, of which video was posted on BH -- I'm willing to bet that won't be an issue.

I think you are right (4.00 / 4)
Katrina is very much out and about, plus she is financed. If it was someone else, with no money, no name recognition, no organization, who then popped up in September and said, hey, I'm running, then it would be a problem.

From a purely analytical standpoint, this race is fascinating.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

[ Parent ]
I take Katrina at face value (4.00 / 2)
not dissimilar from her position on issues at the New London forum...I sense she wants to craft her message for the race later, after things shake out a little. She can afford to keep her powder dry.

John Lynch and Jeanne Shaheen both entered their first races much later than activists(no bloggers in 1996 or 2004!)wished and it did not hurt them, though more time in a race is not a bad thing. If she thinks she can win that way, and withholds public statements on issues until after the eventual Republican field takes shape, perhaps it will create an advantage. On the other hand she may be looking at some internal polling that says(drumroll please)'its time for a change' and voters in the 2nd CD want to see a new face.

The Swett brand has been burnished and pushed in '94,'96, and '02 without a win.Dick's last election victory was in 1992.If you were born then,you are almost of voting age now.  That's a long drought, and it is truly tiring to continually run without a victory. With 97% of her war chest coming from out of state donors in her aborted Senate run, its clear that there are powerful people(don't wait for an invite to the garden party Peter)who want her to have a seat at the table. It's unclear if there are enough of them in the 2nd CD who agree.

As an aside, isn't it amazing how bruises hurt less when you win. Ask my son this morning.  

www.KusterforCongress.com

That's uncalled for, Jon (0.00 / 0)
With 97% of her war chest coming from out of state donors in her aborted Senate run, its clear that there are powerful people(don't wait for an invite to the garden party Peter)who want her to have a seat at the table. It's unclear if there are enough of them in the 2nd CD who agree.

I really thought that you were above this sort of fratricidal bullshit.  I guess I could go after your candidate, but, from what I've read about her thus far, am thinking that she has too much class for the sort of garbage that you're peddling.

I vividly recall similar slams from you about  Jeanne Shaheen two years ago, when your were boosting Marchand.  This is no more acceptable.

Every candidate in this race has something to prove.  None have won races above the state rep level.  All have an argument for why they would be the best candidate, and about how they would promote progressive change in Washington. . . . Could we please knock this crap off and listen to them?

[ Parent ]
Sorry, Sen. Fernald (0.00 / 0)
None have won races above the state rep level.

Obviously, Mark has been elected to the Senate, as have other potential candidates.

[ Parent ]
Slam? (4.00 / 3)
If that 97% line is a slam, then:

- Out-of-state money is bad.
- Powerful allies are bad.

I don't see it.

[ Parent ]
It's a bullshit GOP talking point (4.00 / 2)
Pretty much all candidates for federal office in New Hampshire get the majority of their money from out of state.  And that "powerful people" crack implies that Katrina received money from illicit sources, a bogus and unsubstantiated charge.

Let's focus our attacks on Republicans rather than Democrats.  Lord knows they're already digging through DeJoie and Pignatelli's voting record, Kuster's lobbying record, and Swett's fundraising and '02 campaign.  We really don't need to do their dirty work for them.

Once again:  Let's hear all of the candidates out.  They all have something to prove.  Let them prove it.

[ Parent ]
do you know how hard it is to raise 1.5 million ? (0.00 / 0)
try it, right now. call me when you have it dd.

www.KusterforCongress.com
[ Parent ]
What are you saying, Jon? (0.00 / 0)
I don't really understand the relevance.  Please be clear about what you are implying.
[ Parent ]
If we are going to have the best candidate, I dont see how we avoid looking at all the things you correctly note the GOP will target. (4.00 / 7)
Lord knows they're already digging through DeJoie and Pignatelli's voting record, Kuster's lobbying record, and Swett's fundraising and '02 campaign.  We really don't need to do their dirty work for them.

We need to look a these things for two reasons:

1. They are all (or almost all--I'm not sure what is implied by 'Sweat's... 02 campaign')directly relevant to the question of who is the best candidate. I have no idea who I will end up voting for, but in deciding, I will look not only to what people say they stand for, but also to how they have acted in the past and who is giving them money.

2. Failing to engage in a rigorous primary leaves candidates untested. While the process wasnt exactly a walk in the park, there is no question that Barack Obama was a far better candidate after being pressed by Hilary Clinton and John Edwards. This is particularly important when we have so many candidates that havent been in a campaign of the scope and intensity that awaits the primary winner.

The trick is to raise the questions about your opponent without getting nasty in the process, without creating a false impression just to win, and without making it impossible for the supporters of the other candidates to support yours should she/he win the primary.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

[ Parent ]
JB - Let's Kill the Pattern, eh? (0.00 / 0)

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It is the issues (0.00 / 0)
that need airing to keep Sununu down. Where does Gov. Shaheen stand on Stem Cells, Iraq, Torture, Patriot Act, Impeachment, Carbon Neutrality, etc.? Are her policies exactly in line with her husband's candidate, or doesn't that matter ? Is there a Cabinet Post she would forego to assuage the loss in 2002 ? Not havng won an election since 2000 is she game tough ? I assume since she played rover at Shippansburg State that she still has the fight in her. Though making the big bucks in a cushy and fun job at Harvard would be tough to walk away from. Can she sit back and expect those of us who are already engaged in trying for 61 Senators and a President to sit back with her while she arranges her career choices...and if she loses against Sununu again, as improbable as that may seem, is she toast ? Musing for a Monday.

Next time, there may be no next time.

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by: Jon Bresler @ Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 09:14:50 AM EDT
[ Parent | Reply |   none0: Troll4: Excellent ]  

[ Parent ]
If you can find one thread where I attacked the Red Sox (4.00 / 2)
without being provoked, I will grant your wish.

www.KusterforCongress.com
[ Parent ]
Well played, sir! n/t (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
Thanks Jack (0.00 / 0)
mighty quiet about me answering your challenge to DD

www.KusterforCongress.com
[ Parent ]
The New York Yankees are Evil (4.00 / 3)
They are worthy of unprovoked attacks, as are other spawn of Satan.  (Repent Now, Emperor!)

I place all of our Democratic congressional candidates (and potential candidates) in a finer class.

[ Parent ]
I'm screen-shotting the "4" you just placed on that comment, JB (0.00 / 0)
Welcome to the Nation!
[ Parent ]
"I really thought that you were above this sort of fratricidal bullshit." n/t (4.00 / 1)


www.KusterforCongress.com
[ Parent ]
Another point for Bresler! (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
okay Dave ...n/t (0.00 / 0)


www.KusterforCongress.com
[ Parent ]
The Yankees are evil compared to what? (0.00 / 0)
The Republicans?

Dick Cheney?

Please explain!!!

[ Parent ]
Similar Class (4.00 / 1)
They are one and the same.  (Especially since Steinbrenner and A-Fraud maxed out to the Bush-Cheney campaign.)
[ Parent ]
Me Jack? (4.00 / 2)
It must be another Jack..

I'm on the checking line. When we get to the playoffs, I'll put my game face on and get all, "Claude Lemeiux." For now, I'll turtle.


www.KusterforCongress.com  

[ Parent ]
Ratings Abuse (4.00 / 5)
DD let you displeasure for John's comments come through in your written commentary. Troll rating is reserved for comments that should be "disappeared"

I found this on dkosopedia that explains things well.

To Troll Rate something has exactly one meaning. When you Troll Rate something, as a trusted user, you are stating that the comment should be made invisible to all site users. You're saying that the comment is so bad -- so disruptive or damaging to the community -- that it isn't worth even a debate, but should be deleted from the discussion as being simply inflammatory, simply off-topic, or simply a lie.

Remember that, because that is the only use of the troll rating. It is an editorial vote to delete a comment from the conversation.

Conversely, there is one particular reason troll ratings should never be used: to express disagreement with a poster's opinion. If you disagree, you can say so, but so long as the commentor is stating their opinion civilly, merely disagreeing with your own opinion does not constitute being a "troll". This is true of gun control; Nader fights; Hillary vs. Not Hillary; DLC vs. Not DLC; energy policy; Senate strategy; House strategy; campaign strategy. Merely having a different opinion and stating it differently from how you would like does not constitute "trolling". Having honest and frequently passionate discussions of the issues is an imperative, if we are to obtain a progressive movement marked with actual successes.



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[ Parent ]
I appreciate your view (4.00 / 2)
I use Troll ratings on people who make out-of-line attacks on fellow Democrats, whether I support them or not.  Per Kathy's comment below, I'm worried about this site becoming a "kneecapping" arena.

That said, since I gave Jon the "0" he has explained his reasoning below, and I accept it.  And, besides, he's The Emperor of New Hampshire. So I will remove the rating.

[ Parent ]
Omnipotence has its perks n/t (4.00 / 2)


www.KusterforCongress.com  
[ Parent ]
It's not a view, DD, (4.00 / 1)
those are the rules of the site.

As long as a criticism isn't personal or totally inappropriate, it is okay. Campaign finance and funding are fair game, IMO.

I notice that Mark Fernald is taking some lumps for previous statements on marriage equality, and nobody is flying to his defense in such as strong way, if at all.

[ Parent ]
Read my Comment on the Fernald diary, JD (4.00 / 1)
I notice that Mark Fernald is taking some lumps for previous statements on marriage equality, and nobody is flying to his defense in such as strong way, if at all.

Take another look at my comment in the Fernald diary.  I took the same position on Mark as I did on Katrina:  Let's hear what he has to say.  Let's let the candidates introduce themselves before everyone starts ripping each other to threads.  Too much to ask?

I'm very comfortable sinking into the mud, but I don't think it's in the interest of any of the candidates -- or our values, or our party -- to go there.  So I'm doing what I can to keep this discussion positive and constructive for ALL candidates.

[ Parent ]
That was a good comment. (0.00 / 0)
I guess I'm just not seeing the same vehemence with which you defended Katrina Swett against JBB's questioning of her campaign financing.(not that I want to). Brian Rater wasn't troll rated (and shouldn't be) for bringing up his criticisms of Fernald on marriage equality, and I think JBB's wasn't any worse that that.

I agree that mud slinging does no one any good, but there is a primary campaign heating up, so there will be criticism and questioning of all the candidates.

I realize there are past loyalties, past differences and other things at play, but we need to go into the future, now more than ever.

If we keep to legitimate issues, of which campaign financing is one, IMO, we'll be fine.

[ Parent ]
similar thread from Nick Gunn two years ago (0.00 / 0)
http://www.bluehampshire.com/s...


So let me get this straight.   (0.00 / 0)
Dr. Swett proclaims to a national news venue (MSNBC) that she's willing to drop $3 million in the primary alone, but you need to "get a life" for actually paying attention to that claim by looking at the details?

Sheesh.

Sounds like you touched a nerve, but I'm not sure the best way to change the subject is to dissuade a political activist away from politics.
by: Dean Barker @ Thu May 17, 2007 at 05:46:54 AM EDT

you trolled me for writing about something that was discussed here two years ago, same time same station...in that piece Nick took a look at the FEC report in
"who do you want to work for ?"
http://www.bluehampshire.com/s...

an interesting analysis of money in the last race she ran, and I assume its the same money. Many Hampsters weighed in and it was civil DD. Even you.

www.KusterforCongress.com

[ Parent ]
thanks for untrolling DD n/t (4.00 / 1)


www.KusterforCongress.com
[ Parent ]
China? (0.00 / 1)
At the convention Katrina was talking about some new organization to pressure China to conduct an independent investigation into Tienanmen 1989.
She's very publicly championing a cause with which no one could disagree. It looked like an obvious political stunt. She's running alright. Trying to run above everyone else as they scramble. Not sure it will work, it's pretty transparent. And if you look at the list of Annie's supporters, the foundation is being laid with some real strength.
Going to be interesting.  

No'm Sayn?
Don't know about that, Burt (4.00 / 1)
At the convention Katrina was talking about some new organization to pressure China to conduct an independent investigation into Tienanmen 1989.
She's very publicly championing a cause with which no one could disagree. It looked like an obvious political stunt.

Katrina Swett has a Ph.D. in human rights policy, teaches the subject at Tufts, and runs a foundation that provides money and support for human rights activism around the world.  I hardly think human rights is a "political stunt" to her.

As for the issue of human rights in China, there are many people who disagree with taking a harder line -- Democrats and Republicans.  During the '90s, the Clinton Administration led the fight to protect most favored nation trading status for the PRC.  The late Rep. Tom Lantos, Katrina's father and the namesake of the foundation she runs, led the fight against it, and spent decades crusading against the horrific abuses of the Chinese reqime.  I'm glad that she is continuing the fight.

Personally, I like it when congressional candidates talk about issues that matter -- even when those issues don't have an obvious vote-winning constituency, such as this one.  Regardless of whether you feel that Swett is the best candidate, her knowledge and passion for global human rights offers an area where she can make a genuine progressive impact in Congress.

[ Parent ]
A question (4.00 / 3)
Why is it so difficult to express enthusiasm for one candidate without taking cheap shots at another?  

Once again:  Let's allow the candidates to speak their piece, and let's ask them tough questions about their ability to advance progressive values in Congress.  In the meantime, it might be wise to leave the bullshit in the attic.

[ Parent ]
2 in a row DD? (0.00 / 0)
Cheap shots...bullshit?
Love the predictability of your style DD.

Seriously though, running means putting yourself out there.
Others who saw the piece, please chime in.
Human rights?
Ask her about institutionalized racism, really apartheid, in the State of Israel. Human rights for all, not selectively.

No one loves China, couldn't be an easier target.  

No'm Sayn?

[ Parent ]
Whatever (4.00 / 1)
No one loves China, couldn't be an easier target.  

Yeah, right.  China is a real political winner.  The folks in Dorchester and Errol can't stop talking about this issue.  That's why all New Hampshire political candidates use China a "political stunt," right?

Oh, and Democratic fratricide is most definitely bullshit, Burt.  If you had your way, we would have devoured Jeanne Shaheen two years ago, and Sen. Sununu would be starting his second term.  

Fortunately, you don't have your way.

[ Parent ]
What was it Truman said about the Kitchen? (0.00 / 0)
It's not fratricide you silly person; it's called a primary! Human rights is human rights. you can't be selective depending on political ease. Well I guess you can.

If you can't stand the heat DD, the kitchen is not where you want to be.  

No'm Sayn?

[ Parent ]
You're Ridiculous, Burt (0.00 / 0)
Does Jesse Burchfield do your BH posts, too?  Here's my response:

Human rights is human rights. you can't be selective depending on political ease.

If you have questions about Katrina Swett's positions on the Middle East, why don't you go to an event and ask her?  I'm sure you'll get an answer that includes terms like "two-state solution," "abandonment of wildcat settlements," "territorial integrity," and "end to terrorism and terrorist incitement."  

Of course, that would involve asking questions before issuing attacks, something that you are reluctant to do. Especially if it involves slamming fellow Democrats.

It's not fratricide you silly person; it's called a primary!

Some of actually care about winning this election, Burt, and we win when we don't destroy each other.  I know that's a foreign concept for you, as you proved by your relentless slander against Jeanne Shaheen in the last campaign (among other examples).

Do I have issues with our candidates (including Katrina)?  Absolutely.  But I will try to avoid airing them here, as I realize that any of these candidates would be infinitely better than Charlie Bass or Jennifer Horn, and I don't want to complicate the path of our eventual nominee.

If you can't stand the heat DD, the kitchen is not where you want to be.  

Try me, Burt.  

[ Parent ]
Let's Win The Second CD... (4.00 / 3)
...and I think that takes the style and approach offered by Dartmouth Dem in this thread.  I love my friend Burt Cohen, but I do think it helps at this point of the race to let the primary evolve, and encourage our candidates -- OUR candidates meaning that any of them might be our eventual nominee -- show their skills, explain their differences, develop their commonality, and sock it out without us, as potential supporters, throwing gas on the fire.  

I like all the likely candidates for 2nd CD.  I don't know Ann McCain Kuster well yet but hope to, but I sure love Katrina, and all she's done for Dems.  Mark Fernald is a hero of mine for his courageous leadership for tax reform, and a history of caring.  John DeJoie is fantastic as a State Rep., and I wish he'd stay in the House because he's an excellent St. Rep. but that's my selfish side speaking -- he also would be great in Congress.

To me, they differ just on the edges, and I'd rather see us all cheerlead for them at this point than have us shoot arrows.  There will be time for that.

I'm used to the kitchen heat -- obviously I had enough of it while in the frying pan these past few months.  But when the Republicans are turning up the heat, it doesn't hurt us as much as when Democrats fry ourselves.  Let's have a primary where the nomination will turn into a victory -- the way we do that is not to drop the nuclear bombs too early.    

[ Parent ]
Ann McCain Kuster?? (4.00 / 3)
Jim doesn't usually snark here, so I'm guessing that was some sort of typo.
[ Parent ]
Ann McLane Kuster (4.00 / 5)
I am SOOO sorry.  I just got back from 6 hours on my feet at my summer job, mostly in the sun today -- an amusement ride park in Maine -- on top of a 10 hour schedule there yesterday (that's why I missed the NH Dem Convention for which I had registered and forfeited my fee for).  I served with Susan McLane in the NH State Senate long ago, and much loved her, and deserve a slap or a spank for that one.  I'm sorry, and thanks for kicking me.  In fact, I'm due for kick, spank and slap for that one.  
[ Parent ]
Well Said, Jim (4.00 / 5)
Ten years ago, we couldn't find passionate and qualified people to run for federal office.  Now we have tons.  

This is a high-class problem.

[ Parent ]
DD... (4.00 / 1)
Why is only everyone lese that is taking cheap shots? What would you describe what you're doing as?

Bresler for Emperor
[ Parent ]
Holding Burt Accountable (0.00 / 0)
. . . for repeated and unsubstantiated attacks against Democratic candidates.  I think I have made that clear.
[ Parent ]
Love The Sinner, Hate The Sin (0.00 / 0)
Be a role model, DD.

Kathy attacked the problem you're talking about the best way possible.

We're all on the same team here.

[ Parent ]
You think you have made that clear (0.00 / 0)
I think you're doing pretty much the same thing. To quote Burn Notice, "You say tomato, I say pimp."

Bresler for Emperor
[ Parent ]
That was not right (4.00 / 4)
I saw the piece, and signed the petition. Burt, I am going to assume that you do not know that Katrina works with a foundation formed in honor of her father, the late Congressman Tom Lantos, the only Holocaust survivor to serve in congress. The purpose of the foundation, named The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice, was founded after the Congressman's death to continue his work to promote human rights. It was not founded just to "pressure China", and it is not an obvious political stunt.

Making these kind of ill informed statements don't help Annie. From my perch, you owe Katrina an apology for taking a baseless cheap shot, and you owe Annie an apology for being an over enthusiastic supporter who said something totally off base about another candidate.

If anyone is interested in learning about the work of the Lantos Foundation, here is a link:  

http://www.lantosfoundation.or...

I will now go say a prayer that BH is not going to turn into a place for supporters of candidates to try to kneecap other candidates. I like several of these people, consider at least a couple of them to be personal friends, and I've already gotten ticked off at non-issue comments made about both Annie and Katrina. And the filing period is a year away!

Blech.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

[ Parent ]
New Middle East Policy is Crucial (0.00 / 1)
A primary discussion is vital on issues like health care solutions, energy, etc. Where each candidate stands is what makes the difference.

We can't afford any more members of congress who are in the pocket of AIPAC, the Israel-can-do-no wrong lobby.

No candidate should be offended by any citizen saying what he or she is looking for. I mean really, the kitchen is going to get hot. That's what kitchens and campaigns are about.

I will gladly eat my words if the Lantos Foundation efforts on China do not become a focal point of Swett's pre-campaign campaign.  

No'm Sayn?

[ Parent ]
No, Burt (0.00 / 0)
No candidate should be offended by any citizen saying what he or she is looking for. I mean really, the kitchen is going to get hot. That's what kitchens and campaigns are about.

No one is offended when you say what you're "looking for."  But it's easy to be so when you cast baseless aspersions on candidates without so much as bothering to get your facts straight.

Knock it off, Burt.

[ Parent ]
The Campaigns are Just Beginning (0.00 / 0)
May I reiterate; if you can't stand the heat, best to get out of the kitchen.
Good thing Dartmouth Dem is not a candidate, way too sensitive.

As I said:
I will gladly eat my words if the Lantos Foundation efforts on China do not become a focal point of Swett's pre-campaign campaign.

I hope my expectation proves wrong!


No'm Sayn?

[ Parent ]
Um, not good enough (4.00 / 5)
If you think taking ill advised, nasty, baseless cheap shots at other candidates are going to help Annie in her race, you are wrong.  It is too bad; Annie is a good candidate, and you are engaged in a strategy that will hurt her candidacy, and drive potential supporters away. Your posts certainly are becoming a factor in my thinking.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    
[ Parent ]
Druthers (0.00 / 0)
You may have noticed a phrase Bresler and I use, from time to time, "no title, no muzzle." There is a freedom not being formally associated to a candidates campaign, Similar to the freedom of expression that you enjoy as Chair Emeritus, a freedom that Raymond does not enjoy. The accepted norm is that contracted staffers are muzzled to avoid their personal opinions from being polemically co-opted by opposition to undermine their bosses candidacy.

Certainly, as much as it pains me, Burt enjoys flaunting his freedoms.

There is a game in politics that powers itself on "guilt by association." The premise that a candidate is behind or associated to the proclaimations of supporters is a vital part of this game. Using peer pressure or the media to shut someone up or get an official response is how the big dogs do it. Rumor control in '07-'08 was a huge aspect of the game. Good people got hurt along the way, but as John Edwards pointed out, 'They will be alright."

Ultimately, as a blogger, I intend on being a factor in peoples thinking about the field of candidates. That is part of why I show up. However, imho, the biggest factor should be the candidates themselves. I hope to have a primary with maximum access to the folks running and ample opportunities to hear them out, individually and together.

Voters should trust their own instincts.  

www.KusterforCongress.com  

[ Parent ]
I agree - but (4.00 / 5)
I agree, but... the campaign can strongly suggest that someone use better judgment.  If a potential supporter hears too many announced supporters acting like Burt, then said potential supporter may say, all other things being equal, why get involved with this campaign, as opposed to another?

This primary is different from the presidential. The candidates are local people. Stupid hurtful comments have a broader impact. Both Annie and Katrina are friends of mine, and no matter who I support, or if I support, anyone in this primary, if I read someone making a stupid nasty comment about either one of them, I am going to object.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

[ Parent ]
Right On Jack (0.00 / 0)
Being a citizen is far different from being a consumer. Citizenship means participating. That's what at the very least all us bloggers on BH do.

JM got it quite right: the biggest factor should be the candidates themselves.

I don't recall who said "Politics ain't beanbags."
As citizens, we all have a responsibility to make our own observations and to convey them.

Again, I sincerely hope I am wrong about any political campaign use of that foundation.

Follow your own observations.  

No'm Sayn?

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Only you, Burt (4.00 / 2)
You're the only person ridiculous enough to attack someone for advocating on behalf of forgotten political prisoners
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LOL, Sorry (0.00 / 0)
Only you DD, can twist things like you do.

When it comes to China, of course I am appalled at their human rights abuses, and the fact that they have so much financial power right here in the USA.

I wish the foundation success, of course. I just hope it is not used politically.
Let's see how it unfolds.

No'm Sayn?

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Will you stop, please? (4.00 / 3)
The right thing for you to do would be to go look at the web site for the foundation, educate yourself on the fact that the foundation was started to continue Tom Lantos's work on behalf of human rights, admit you were wrong, apologize, and promise that you will stick to the issues.



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Anne (4.00 / 1)
Anne recently wrote a book to honor her recently deceased (and immensely accomplished) mother, and to advance the cause of Alzheimer's research.  She has done book readings and tours across the state, and has received publicity for doing so.  This experience, to Anne's credit, would likely influence and inform her priorities in Congress.

Are you now going to tell us that Anne's actions were "political" because she happened to run for Congress during the course of her progressive advocacy in honor of a loved parent?  Or, perhaps, you could show some semblance of decency and intellectual honesty by (a) apologizing to Katrina Swett, and (b) gathering facts before engaging in your all-to-routine acts of idiocy.

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I don't get this argument (4.00 / 1)
Political people do political things, and the nonpolitical things they do are interpreted politically. Where is the problem?
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The problem is cynicism (4.00 / 4)
The cynic assumes every action is politically motivated with self interest as the principle motivation.

In the cases cited, they are both "well intentioned" politcal actions. Both the book and the foundation are intended to inform and inspire. My favorite means of politcal spadework, btw.

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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
Both these efforts can be contrasted with, say, the Specter campaign.
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Copius Imagination (0.00 / 0)
Yep, I suppose they can.

Let's test our theory. We need Chelsea Clinton to switch to the GOP and run for office using monies derived from sales of a book she co-authored with Bill about the Clinton Global Initiative.

My head hurts.

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What I meant (0.00 / 0)
Political or nonpolitical, these are benevolent acts. Duping donors is not.
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Again I shake me head. Give it up DD (0.00 / 0)


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It isn't "just" DD (4.00 / 5)
I found your comments offensive, both as a friend of Katrina Swett and a friend of Ann Mclane Kuster.

Burt, you have a pattern of making personal comments about candidates you don't support. You did it with Hillary Clinton, you did it with Jeanne Shaheen. As someone who is on the fence in this primary, it makes me uncomfortable to see you start up again, this time with Katrina. Maybe it won't be a factor with other people, but it is a factor for me. I don't want to be involved in a campaign where a prominent supporter feels free to take ill informed, cheap shots at another canddiate in a public forum.  I will admit my prickliness over your comments stems in part from a "here we go again" reaction based on your past behavior.  But it also stems from my fondness for both Katrina and Annie - I don't like you taking cheap shots at Katrina, and I don't like you hurting Annie's efforts.

And that is my last word on the subject, because you either figure out that you are hurting your candidate, or you don't. I can only beat you over the head so many times :)

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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It Absolutely Isn't Just DD (4.00 / 4)
If I lived in the 2nd CD, I probably wouldn't support Katrina Swett, but I absolutely wouldn't attack her because we're both Democrats.

In the end, we're all on the same team here, and we can disagree fervently on issues, but we should all show each other respect since we're on the same team.

For the past year or so, i've been having doubts about whether that vision, my vision of what the Democratic Party should be, really exists, and at times i've become incredibly jaded because of it.

But i'm tired of being jaded, and as long as my career path lets me advocate for that vision*, i'll do it.

Listen to Kathy, you're not helping things with your words here, Burt.

*-I really thought it would have forced me to be more objective by now

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Not at all Personal (0.00 / 0)
Of course I had criticisms of Hillary and Jeannie. On issues!

Now I have questions concerning Katrina's campaign.And as I've said plenty of times, I hope my concerns prove wrong, I really do.

My words have never been in the least personal. It's called policy and sometimes tactical disagreements. We are a democratic party, there is competition--not on personality, that is irrelevant, at least as far as I'm concerned. Personal attacks have no place.

Of course I want a Democrat to win in the 2nd CD, and I will do all I can to make sure that happens.
As just one citizen, I also want the nominee's policies to be in line with what I prefer, on things like foreign policy, the economy, reproductive rights, everything. That's what the primary process is all about. It's a good process, we all get to participate.  

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Whatever (4.00 / 1)
Burt, we're not idiots.  We've seen your vicious, ill-informed attacks on Jeanne Shaheen (e.g., for taking credit for "your" gay rights bill).  

I don't expect everyone to support Katrina Swett.  Quite frankly, while I have been a friend of the Swett family for many years, even I don't know enough about the other candidates' positions to compare our field.

But, unlike you, I will listen to them before slandering them.  Slamming Katrina for collecting signatures against Chinese oppression at the NHDP convention?  (Where else will she get them - the Republicans?)  Accusing her of supporting "apartheid" in the Middle East?  Where do you make up this stuff?

This, too, will be my last word on the subject.  Your ridiculousnes speaks for itself.

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it is not easy (4.00 / 3)
Have you ever raised 1.5 million for anything ? I have, when I was running a small successful business. It's not withing the reach of most people. With a profitable business at the time, it took a year of going to bank after bank to find those who would buy into our business plan, then it took additional time, more written plans, break even analyses, etc and regional development officials, SBA loans,etc. For most folks who have never run for office, or started a business, without having a proven track record as a vote getter or a business owner, it is impossible. Think about that.Today it is almost impossible to get a loan if you need. If you don't need the money, and have at least that much in liquid assets as collateral it's pretty easy.

The race is already framed by money. I guess that's why I tweaked. Having a war chest from an attempt at a previous run makes you a contender, more than any positions. In fact you don't have to even talk about issues yet. But if you don't have access to the moneyed salons, if you are poor in America you don't get access. You fight for health care (see Dean's diary above)

Specifically I was thinking about how our Campaign Finance system maintains a situation where only those with entre to the parlors of the rich and powerful can be seen as credible.
The 2nd CD race right now is all about money. That's the message and I am sorry it came off as a personal attack. I worked for Katrina in 2002. It was because I believed in her intelligence, and her commitment to issues. I  organized in-state fund raising. I quit after a month realizing that my interest to do a lot of small house parties and get a lot of small individual donors was not what the candidate was going to do. I don't like to fail, and it seemed that I was a distraction, even though we were on the same page on most issues. Money was not the problem on that campaign.
I had just read an article in the NY Times about Bank Lobbyists tilting the table thier own way, for many of the very large Banks who received taxpayer financed bailouts. They successfully stripped provisions out a bill intended to protect the little guy.
No connection in any way to this discussion but on my mind when I read the diary that Dean had posted.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...
But Mr. Obama did not mention that the measure he was signing, the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, was missing its centerpiece: a change in bankruptcy law he once championed that would have given judges the power to lower the amount owed on a home loan.

It had been stripped out three weeks earlier in a showdown between Senate Democrats and the nation's banks, including many that are getting big government bailouts.

As Congressional Democrats and the White House crow about multiple victories over the financial industry, including new rules for credit card issuers, banks are quietly savoring an even bigger victory of their own.

The defeat of the bankruptcy proposal is a testament to the enduring influence of banks, even as the industry struggles financially and suffers from its role in the economic crisis.

Big money still rules the roost. I want the system to work for John Q. Sleeping Giant even better than it did for stinking thieving bankers, wallstreeters etc. I don't want a country where those huge ill gotten fortunes leach into my state's politics, no matter who is running or for what. While I can't stop it on my own, I want to know about it through a completely transparent campaign finance system, with instant immediate online reporting.

We have to fix campaign finance or nothing is going to change in Washington. You are right DD, that they all do it. Because of the system they have to. Again without intending to mime a 'bullshit Republican' talking point, I stand by my post. That's what I meant by powerful interests being at odds with We the people.



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From a thread, not so long ago (0.00 / 0)
It went by with little fanfare. I tend to reference Lessig.

In the video below, Lessig compares Congress' dependence
on money to alcoholism:


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Sorry for the delayed response. . . . (4.00 / 2)
Was at work.  Can't do long posts there, but saw your post and respect your thought out views. . . . In summary:

Have you ever raised 1.5 million for anything ?

No, but I've watched political candidates do it.  And it sucks -- big time.  It is the worst aspect of our democracy, and a written invitation to corporate lobbyists and that ilk.  It consumes WAY too much candidate time, and is a humiliating burden for all those who run for major elected office.

That said, I will only support progressive candidates -- like Paul Hodes, for whom I will attend a fundraiser tomorrow -- who are committed enough to engage in this horrible exercise, because they realize that it's absolutely necessary to (a) present our principles, and (b) rebut GOP attacks.  This is unfortunate.  It's also reality.

The race is already framed by money. I guess that's why I tweaked. Having a war chest from an attempt at a previous run makes you a contender, more than any positions. In fact you don't have to even talk about issues yet.

Money is a prerequite, but it won't elect anyone.  Swett has a head start in this area, but I have no doubt that her fellow candidates have plans in the works to raise money aggressively, too -- if they plan on winning.  

Based on Katrina's behavior thus far in this race (e.g. her participation in a lengthy forum in New London with Fernald and Dejoie), I think she's well aware that she will need to present her views on issues.  

The 2nd CD race right now is all about money. That's the message and I am sorry it came off as a personal attack. I worked for Katrina in 2002.  It was because I believed in her intelligence, and her commitment to issues. I  organized in-state fund raising. I quit after a month realizing that my interest to do a lot of small house parties and get a lot of small individual donors was not what the candidate was going to do.

I didn't join her campaign until after Labor Day, but she did a ton of house parties after that.  I think the campaign just got off to a late start, and you bore the brunt of that.

I would challenge the contention that the race is "all about money."  It's not -- unless candidates other than Swett are unable to raise any by next summer.  Then it will hamstring their ability to reach voters.  Right now, damn near the only people talking about this race are on this site, and I don't think money has much influence here.

I had just read an article in the NY Times about Bank Lobbyists tilting the table thier own way, for many of the very large Banks who received taxpayer financed bailouts. They successfully stripped provisions out a bill intended to protect the little guy.

I saw that, too, and it pissed me off. . . . I have posted multiple diaries on BH to slash the influence of lobbyists, and feel that a commitment to drastic lobbying reform (both in DC and Concord) should be a question that every candidate is asked.

I can't speak for Katrina's campaign in this cycle, as I am not involved in it, but in 2002 this was an issue that she emphasized throughout the race.

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ps (0.00 / 0)
to continue the meme I started...in 2006 I volunteer in to Finance work with David Mason. With a relentless Paul Hodes in the lead, and one great volunteer who started in February 2006(you know who you are Babette) we set a record to that time for 'in-state' contributions to a Congressional campaign, of either party, ever. It's not bragging if you can do it.
I joined the team in may of that year, and did dunning calls...calls to those who may given Paul or Babette or Dave a pledge, but their check had not arrived. Paul had been doing call time since about 2003, and he got good. In fact I would say great at it. I don't pretend to speak for him on this, but I would have to guess that the prospect of running every 6 years is a very comforting motivator in his Senate run. He has had to do money calls every day for years to stay in the House.
Carol Shea Porter proved it does not have to be all about money, if you have good issues, do your research and build a core of fire walking volunteers. Her supporters mantra in '06 was 'we want your vote, not your money'... and she beat the odds.

The 'let's do a zillion small events, 4-5 a day with 20-25 folks' theme I was rockin' in 02' pre-dated the Dean and Obama internet phenomenon, of the huge number of small donatiosn, which I believe helped bring in more big donations, because it showed the President's broad base of support amonst working class Americans. But back then 7 years ago, it had been used effectively for fundraising yet.
The interesting/sick thing is that outside money in a Congressional race is essential in a state like NH because there are not enough small donors to get to the level you must raise. This is the root of all grovelling...

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"Very Seriously Considering It" (4.00 / 1)
In other words, I'm in unless I can't raise the cash or the hand of G-d stops me.

and g_d help g_d if she tries to stop me. (4.00 / 3)


"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  
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Bring On the Tarantulas (4.00 / 1)
Gail Collins On Fire...talk about money in politics, here Ms. Collins muses in today's NEW YORK Times from whence the laughable NY Legislature's problems stem.$$$ Thanks to a tweet from Ben at Politico...
http://twitter.com/benpolitico
note; the title refers to a former Illinois Gov's wife going an a TV reality show and eating tarantulas to raise money for her husband's defense...

Bring On the Tarantulas
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...

snip
The coup was engineered, at least in part, by Tom Golisano, a billionaire who has failed in repeated attempts to become governor, even after underwriting his own political party to provide the nominations. Golisano spent several million dollars helping the Democrats get their precious two-vote majority. In triumph, he traveled down from Buffalo to share his insights on how to resolve the state fiscal crisis with the new majority leader, Malcolm Smith. To Golisano's outrage, Smith kept checking his BlackBerry while his patron was talking.

This is a truly shocking story. In this country, even presidential candidates nod thoughtfully while their deep-pocketed donors explain how all the nation's problems can be traced back to the devaluation of the zloty. A six-term senator with an ego the size of a brontosaurus will sit mute, in apparent fascination, while the heir to an oil fortune reveals his plan to reduce crime by chopping off the fingers of shoplifters. Anybody who has been in politics for more than six minutes knows that the cardinal rule is to look interested when a rich guy is telling you his thoughts.



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