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Open Thread: I Remember Clifford

by: Dean Barker

Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 23:17:56 PM EDT

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Open Thread: I Remember Clifford | 17 comments

Had an apartment-mate back when, (4.00 / 1)

whose friend was in Slug's in NYC the night Lee was murdered on the bandstand, it was quite a scene, needless to say. A real life Frankie and Johnny tale. What a great musician, one of my favorites then and now.

by: GreyMike @ Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 22:24:19 PM CDT

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let's do it (4.00 / 2)

Frankie and Jonny

If the kids can't bop to it, it's bombsville.

by: JonnyBBad @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 00:15:28 AM CDT

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SLAP. n/t (0.00 / 0)

by: GreyMike @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 07:46:33 AM CDT

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birds do it n/t (4.00 / 1)

If the kids can't bop to it, it's bombsville.

by: JonnyBBad @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 07:59:31 AM CDT

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Uncommon knowledge (0.00 / 0)

I was never very fond of either Clifford LeMay nor Lee Oswald (I used to call him Harve) so I fail to see the point of this erudite thread. Now Frankie Lane and Johnny B. Goode, there would be the subject for a great expose.

by: xteeth @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 05:58:16 AM CDT

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Wow. I think my brain just exploded. n/t (0.00 / 0)

by: GreyMike @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 07:45:22 AM CDT

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Are you confusing (0.00 / 0)

Curtis LeMay and Clark Clifford?

by: elwood @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 16:47:40 PM CDT

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Jazz esoterica (0.00 / 0)

It continually pisses me off that one of the motivating factors in jazz seems to be, I can play changes or rhythms or whatever so complicated that you can't follow them. And that is taken to be an indication of merit. "You won't even be able to follow me back to the start of the next chorus because I am so much more erudite than you are." In this case, the "in crowd" evidently doesn't feel it necessary to tell the hoi poloi even the performer's given name. Only us "in" guys know that. Aren't we clubby?

by: xteeth @ Sat Aug 22, 2009 at 10:13:52 AM CDT

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I have an advantage. (0.00 / 0)

I can tell the black keys from the white. That's it for my playing. Somebody can play 'Chopsticks' and I marvel at their skill.

Anyhow I don't see your complaint as special to jazz. I heard the same thing about bluegrass and rock guitar.

by: elwood @ Sat Aug 22, 2009 at 17:44:40 PM CDT

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Nice underhanded insult. (0.00 / 0)

That is just my point. This is a collosal example of name dropping. Instead of sharing stuff you like and the people that do it you have landed on insulting those less knowledgeable than you. Well, congratulations. I've played professionally myself so your key concerns might be misplaced.

I used to go to Lenny's on the Pike and the Jazz Workshop back when. I used to see Zoot Sims, Al Cohn, Winton Kelly, Monk, Herman, Paul Chambers, Wes Montgomery and on and on but I wouldn't name drop about them as is the tradition started here. So go back to marveling and name dropping. It will continue to kill off jazz as happened continually. Listen to what Winton Marcellus says on the subject. I don't like pop music much either but esoteric jazz is going off into a cage to admire itself in satori for just this reason. Look in the mirror and say the words, "I could follow Ornette Coleman's solo.

by: xteeth @ Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 10:19:06 AM CDT

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I don't do underhanded insults (0.00 / 0)

Many may wish that I were that subtle.

I guess I must have dropped a name. I certainly can't find it.

by: elwood @ Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 10:29:14 AM CDT

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Mostly applies to insecure amateurs and musical charlatans. (4.00 / 2)

Playing this music is actually much more akin to a conversation in a language; as with any language, the more fluent among us are capable of greater nuance, and some conversations become more complex (or colloquial) than others.

Also, maturity and experience have a great deal to do with it; more mature players have learned the Zen of "less is more", realizing that what you don't play is just as important as what you do play.

However, I will grant that this level of performance can sometimes have the effect of diminishing one purpose of music as a form of entertainment for the general audience, in the same fashion that performances of Shakespeare would for some folks.

"It's trying to play clean and looking for the pretty notes." - Charlie Parker

by: GreyMike @ Sat Aug 22, 2009 at 18:19:50 PM CDT

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Sorry if I'm hijacking - (4.00 / 1)

and sorrier still that I can't properly cite.

Maybe my favorite line about Art is, "With good art you don't have any idea where it is going. But when it's done you know it was all inevitable." (Boy, somebody said that much better than me!)

That's why I love good mysteries - and jazz.

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I don't think one can hijack an Open Thread, (0.00 / 0)

especially one that's been on the shelf for a couple of days.

Good quote, whoever said it.

by: GreyMike @ Sat Aug 22, 2009 at 19:13:41 PM CDT

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I weep, openly (0.00 / 0)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08...

How's he supposed to squeak by on only $4 million?

(Hat tip to Atrios)

by: JimC @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 08:54:27 AM CDT

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Cool Animated Graffiti (4.00 / 1)

MUTO a wall-painted animation by BLU from blu on Vimeo.

www.KusterforCongress.com

by: Jack Mitchell @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 15:43:00 PM CDT

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Dang! (4.00 / 1)

Thot I saw a sleeping giant in there for a minute...

by: GreyMike @ Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 22:29:39 PM CDT

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