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CACR-28

by: Jennifer Daler

Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 16:53:08 PM EST


The vote on CACR28, a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to one man and one woman just took place in the New Hampshire House. The Judiciary Committee's report of Inexpedient to Legislate was upheld by a vote of 201-135.

First, Rep Bates (R-Windham) tried to have the bill "special ordered" until March 17, after many towns have town meeting or SB-2 votes. This is Bates' and other Republican's initiative to drum up support for a "referendum" type vote on marriage equality. They are hoping to have the out of state money flowing into their coffers as a result of trying to make NH what it is not--a referendum state.

Rep. Bill O'Brien((R-Mont Vernon), after arguing in favor of the special order  asked for a roll call. The special order failed 141-191.

Jennifer Daler :: CACR-28
Then debate on the committee report commenced with David Bates.

He said, among other things, "You are not a bigot to say people have a right to vote. They have a right to say what a family is." Uh--people have the right to say what their family is Mr. Bates. Not what mine is.

Representative Thompson (D-Manchester) said that the amendment violates the intent of the NH Constitution by enshrining discrimination in that document. New Hampshire already recognizes same sex marriage with no detriment.

Someone else spoke in favor of the committee report saying that the amendment violates the state and federal Constitutions.

Then Dan Itse (R-Fremont), who sees himself as a constitutional scholar and expert, got up and said because the state constitution made special mention of taxes and schools, but not marriage, the General Court has no right to define marriage, but an constitutional amendment is necessary. Then Rep Baldasaro asked a question about incest. Baldasaro then said, "Would you believe that this amendment will be brought back next January if it fails now?"

The PI for the pro amendment people was done by Rep Dumaine(R-?). He was pretty inflammatory, saying that the legislature should be stripped of its power by "the people", that "the people" no longer trust the legislature or the governor. He said the Constitution, presumably both the US and New Hampshire's should be interpreted by "the people", not the Supreme Court.

The PI for the committee report, given by Rep. DiFruscia (R-Windham) was also interesting. He was booed twice, once saying that the amendment was not the will of the majority but a vocal minority in the state, another time for saying you can't propose a constitutional amendment that is unconstitutional.

As Baldasaro warned, they'll be back...

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TOLERANCE WINS! (4.00 / 2)
Live free or die.

All on video? (4.00 / 2)
Voters need to be informed.  

www.KusterforCongress.com - www.paulhodesforsenate.com
www.nikitsongas.com - www.devalpatrick.com


Video (0.00 / 0)
You can find all the House Floor sessions recorded here on the General Court website.

J'raxis 270145

[ Parent ]
who was the jerk (0.00 / 0)
to first speak against hb 1590 a few minutes ago?

One thing for sure (4.00 / 1)
These characters say that their amendment had nothing to do with gay marriage but only with allowing "the people to vote" are full of you know what.  Their hate comes through loud and clear. They can't hide it - it shows in their words and actions.

Dumaine (4.00 / 2)
is from Auburn. His bio in the NH Handbook of Elected Officials makes a point of telling us what a big Christian he is. This is his 5th term.  

Rockingham-3 (0.00 / 0)
Same district as Baldasaro.

[ Parent ]
ah. his words today aren't surprising then, (0.00 / 0)
considering how obnoxious he's been in the last.  more of the same hate.

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In my humble opinion, (4.00 / 1)
these people who want to continue to try and deny gays and lesbians their equality should be sued for harassment!!  Then, maybe they'ed STFU.

Constitutions prescribe what the agents of government are obligated to (0.00 / 0)
(may or must) do.  A Constitution does not address the behavior of individuals, who are free to participate in governing or not.
We do have a criminal code which prohibits individual behavior that is injurious to another or society as a whole.  The intimate relations of adults don't qualify.  
On the other hand, if intimate relationships are to be recorded in the public records, then to arbitrarily exclude the relationships of some people because of irrelevant characteristics is a violation of the requirement that all persons be treated the same.  The onus is on the agents of government to carry out the duties for which they were hired.
There was a time when marriages were considered common law and no records were kept.  Ditto for the records of births and deaths.  Though, from the very beginning, the Census was mandated to update such events every ten years.  This, btw, is a census year.

Question (0.00 / 0)
Who was that who called marriage equality a "cruel joke" and  "false satisfaction"?

someone above said Dudley Dumaine (0.00 / 0)


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oops, Herb (0.00 / 0)
you and I are talking about Cebrowski

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Never mind (0.00 / 0)
It was Dudley Dumaine. I didn't recognize his voice

i want a video of that speech (0.00 / 0)


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it was quite bizarre, I hope someone puts it up on Youtube (4.00 / 2)
First time I have seen the wish for equal rights compared to children playing with costumes. And to hear that stuff in a speech bookended with copious remarks about respect for everybody was quite disturbing.

=Health care for all now!=

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Cebrowski (0.00 / 0)
You didn't recognize Dumaine because it was Cebrowski. :D  I just checked the video on the House website.  Sorry for the misinformation earlier

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HB 1590 killed 210 to 109 (0.00 / 0)


Hooray! (0.00 / 0)

Well done.

=Health care for all now!=

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Congratulations NH House! (4.00 / 1)
Excellent votes! Wide, wide margins!

McIntyre Shaheen Dinner April 29
State Convention May 22

www.nhdp.org


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60 absences? (4.00 / 1)
Do we have any idea what the makeup of the 60 non-votes were?  The vote today could represent a significant move in the correct direction...or little movement at all.

Roll call (0.00 / 0)
Here is the roll call including the non-votes.

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one non-vote is a consistent absentee rep (0.00 / 0)
named Anne Priestley (R-Salem/Windham). She's in Florida the first part of every session, returns around town meeting day. She's been in office at least a decade because she's a "nice old lady."  On the upside, we are far better off when she is in Florida. She's part of a delegation that has become a running joke.  

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Why should my family, love, and security be subject to a vote? (0.00 / 0)


because people are cruel and like to hurt strangers (0.00 / 0)


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Baldasaro (0.00 / 0)
And so will we, with a vengenance.  We await your downfall.  

"Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you" - Pericles, 430 BCE

Here's a suggestion. (4.00 / 1)
If and when the Republicans try to bring up another bill for this, somebody propose an amendment to also 'protect marriage' by banning divorce - and specifying that the state of New Hampshire will only recognize second (or later) marriages, even ones from out of state, if all preceding spouses are dead, and that anyone in a second-or-later marriage now has until next January first to divorce their current spouse or be prosecuted for bigamy. Attach that every time they try it and then let them see how they explain voting in favor of divorce.

Also, linked only by the idea of bills being proposed, is anyone working on reforming the state's senatorial appointments, after last year's Powerball Judd soap opera?

IT for John Lynch '04 and NHDP '08 - I'm liking my track record so far!


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