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I agree. (0.00 / 0)

As someone who supports parental rights, and who has homeschooled 5 of his 6 children, I oppose this and have fought it within the NHLA community.  There is actually significant opposition to this bill among the libertarian groups in the state.

An obvious issue - which is often overlooked - is that there is no age limitation in this amendment.  Does this mean until age 16? 18? 21? Forever?  Does it mean that a father who rapes his daughter can force her to bear the child or abort the child?

The language is extremely consistent with theocratic doctrine (and, to be fair to its proponents, is understood in the context of a loving, "godly" family), as promulgated at many homeschool and Calvinst/Reformed Church workshops.

Frankly, I think its DOA.  But I also think it is one of those places where Progressives and libertarians really do have a atural alliance against Theocracy.

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by: Thomas Simmons @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 11:11:45 AM CST

libertaqrians & progressives (0.00 / 0)

capital punishment. I do recall that NH libertarians were sujpportive of marriage equality.
My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that NHLA 'does not take a position" on right to choose and capital punishment. If so, this simply leads folks to feel that NHLA is simply a far right adjunct to the Republican partyy, unwillling to take positions that wojuld offend them.
   As to your poll as to "what you are (politically)", perhaps that is something that you will need to define for yourself. You might even find out that you are a progressive Dem. Go figure!

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by: pberch @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 14:08:57 PM CST

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my computer messed up (0.00 / 0)

that was only half a message

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by: pberch @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 14:13:15 PM CST

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libertaqrians & progressives (0.00 / 0)

capital punishment. I do recall that NH libertarians were sujpportive of marriage equality.
My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that NHLA 'does not take a position" on right to choose and capital punishment. If so, this simply leads folks to feel that NHLA is simply a far right adjunct to the Republican partyy, unwillling to take positions that wojuld offend them.
   As to your poll as to "what you are (politically)", perhaps that is something that you will need to define for yourself. You might even find out that you are a progressive Dem. Go figure!

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by: pberch @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 14:08:57 PM CST

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sorry my computer messed up (0.00 / 0)

I will try again later

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by: pberch @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 14:14:00 PM CST

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libertaqrians & progressives (0.00 / 0)

i have read some of your writings here and on the NHLA forum. I, too, feel there are natural alliances between liberals/progressives and libertarians. By I am confused by some of the NHLA stands - which seem to conflict with general national libertarian stands. For example, most libertarians, IMHO, support a woman's right to choose and aoppose

capital punishment. I do recall that NH libertarians were sujpportive of marriage equality.
My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that NHLA 'does not take a position" on right to choose and capital punishment. If so, this simply leads folks to feel that NHLA is simply a far right adjunct to the Republican partyy, unwillling to take positions that wojuld offend them.
   As to your poll as to "what you are (politically)", perhaps that is something that you will need to define for yourself. You might even find out that you are a progressive Dem. Go figure!

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by: pberch @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 14:09:02 PM CST

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libertaqrians & progressives (0.00 / 0)

i have read some of your writings here and on the NHLA forum. I, too, feel there are natural alliances between liberals/progressives and libertarians. By I am confused by some of the NHLA stands - which seem to conflict with general national libertarian stands. For example, most libertarians, IMHO, support a woman's right to choose and aoppose

capital punishment. I do recall that NH libertarians were sujpportive of marriage equality.
My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that NHLA 'does not take a position" on right to choose and capital punishment. If so, this simply leads folks to feel that NHLA is simply a far right adjunct to the Republican partyy, unwillling to take positions that wojuld offend them.
   As to your poll as to "what you are (politically)", perhaps that is something that you will need to define for yourself. You might even find out that you are a progressive Dem. Go figure!

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by: pberch @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 14:09:03 PM CST

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Yes, children are considered the "property" of their (0.00 / 0)

parents.  Which is why people who are in danger of having their parental rights terminated are provided with legal representation, at state expense, just as if they were in danger of being deprived of their liberty.  The children, on the other hand, are not deserving of legal representation.  At best they can be provided with a guardian ad litem who has no legal standing other than what a judge decides to recognize.

Would just add that in other contexts "control" (pest control, pollution control, animal control) refers to elimination--mostly.
I'm not sure these people are inconsistent.  Their position on what other women should be allowed to eliminate from their own bodies strikes me as similar.

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by: hannah @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 12:12:32 PM CST

the prime sponsor is offering an amendment (4.00 / 1)

Dan Itse has a floor amendment in the calendar.  It would truncate the amendment to merely state that "Parents have the natural right to control the health, education, and welfare of their children."  This does answer some of the objections of those (e.g, every member of the Children & Family Law committee aside from Itse himself) who opposed it in its original form.  It does so by rendering the amendment basically meaningless.

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by: TimothyHorrigan @ Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 15:53:23 PM CST

Itse (0.00 / 0)

IMHO, most everything Daniel Itse does is basically meaningless and a waste of time and money.  

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by: mevansnh @ Sun Mar 07, 2010 at 08:31:27 AM CST