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Bass Town Hall, April 20, Hillsboro

by: nhveedub

Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 21:27:22 PM EDT


I attended the town hall meeting of Charlie Bass today in Hillsboro, NH. I've never seen him speak before, and I asked no questions, but I found the experience a bit odd. Though there were many Republicans in attendance, including State Senator Andy Sanborn, who got a special welcome, many of the questions focused on the Medicare voucher plan in Paul Ryan's budget, for which Charlie voted - and they were not favorable questions for Charlie.

Bass began with an oddly pessimistic view of the country, saying he was worried about our future. He said he ran for Congress again to stop the growth of government before "the country is basically ruined."

As I'm a staunch Kuster supporter, I hope he keeps up with the 'sky is falling' routine.

nhveedub :: Bass Town Hall, April 20, Hillsboro
The first question was regarding the voucher program - specifically that it would raise costs by shifting from Medicare's 6% expense margin to private insurance companies 20% profit margin.

Charlie emphatically stated the program was "not a voucher," but was instead a "premium support system." Oddly, he stated this system wouldn't take affect for ten years, as it only affects persons 54 years old and under, yet he later stated the medicare trust fund, according to the CBO, would be broke in nine to 11 years.

Charlie stated twice that "budgets are not law." Then explained how a bill becomes a law. He also stated medicare was not part of the budget.

In the most partisan move of the evening, he blamed Obama and the Democrats for not proposing a 'fix' to medicare before the Republicans, stating they "didn't want to stick their necks out first."

The second question was also regarding vouchers, and that any real solution would require "slowing the rate of costs."

Charlie responded that "the Federal government is the biggest provider of health care in the world," and that there currently is "very little competition." He is proposing a "universally deductible premium," which according to him, would benefit the self-employed. He stated we was a proponent of shopping for health care across state lines. He repeated that the medicare voucher program was not a voucher program but rather, a premium support system, that if enacted would not take affect for ten years.

Charlie stated medicare would not be dramatically different than it was before. (!!!) He ended with this zinger, that we've heard "..nothing from the administration yet, or the senate."

The third question again involved health care, specifically relating to high premium costs for a couple of 62 years old, unemployed, and not eligible for medicare. The questioner stated we needed to do something about the cost without damaging medicare.

Charlie was by now starting to stammer. He commented that he had to shop for health care the four years he was out of congress, that he had one choice of provider, and that we had no competition.

Next question about the Ryan budget, relating to tax rate reductions for wealthy, and reducing benefits for those under 55. Questioner was concerned about creating a 'divide & conquer' situation between the younger and older generations, specifically that the younger generation would be paying for the older generation's "Cadillac Plan" without receiving their own.

Charlie stated the tax reductions were not for the wealthy, but were instead for the corporations, who are subject to "the 2nd or 3rd highest tax rates in the world."  At this point, Charlie started speaking quite loudly, and using standard talking points I would guess were part of a stump speech at one time.

"I want to grow the economy, stimulate real growth and create jobs. It's our money."

The next question related to unfair trade practice from China, and that countries manipulation of their currency. The questioner specifically asked Bass to support HR639, which repeals title VII of the Tariff Act of 1930.

Charlie responded with statistics. He had spoken at the Grafton County Economic Development Council's awards dinner the prior evening (to which I had an invite, but decided not to pay the $20 to hear him speak, when I could get it for free today). During his visit, he learned that Grafton county's unemployment rate was 4.7%, and that 1 in 4 jobs in this state directly related to trade. He further stated that free trade was important, but all countries should play by the same rules.

The next questioner was hilarious. He rambled on about cold fusion and crazy scientists. Everyone fidgeted for five minutes while he advertised his website. Charlie thanked the man when he finished. Priceless.

Grant Bosse spoke next. The Bosse family is 'big' in Hillsboro Grant specifically runs a Libertarian / Tea Partyesque 'Watchdog' website, complete with standard-bearing 'press releases.' They're usually full of nothingness, but can be entertaining. He stated medicare was 'going broke,' but decided to ask about Libya, specifically relating to committing the military without congressional authority.

I have a diary to this misunderstanding of reality - the President does not need congressional authority to commit the military in support of a UN resolution. But I digress.

Charlie trotted out the war power act, and that Libya was "perplexing and frightening." He stumbled around a bit, but basically stated he thought the actions were misguided and should have received 'significant debate in congress.'

The next question related to the government selling their GM stock at an $11B loss over this coming summer. Charlie knew nothing of it, though he went on to say he opposed the GM bailout.

This next part is unreal. Charlie insisted if the government did nothing, GM would have become 7 or 8 strong and lean auto companies. (!!!) He further stated that because of the government's actions, GM closed Pontiac, Saturn, Oldsmobile. He ended with this, those actions were "not in the best interest of American manufacturing."

I have to say, this is clear evidence this man knows little about the auto industry, how bankruptcy works, or the national security argument for saving the American auto industry. I'm a car guy - thus my screen name - and I could go on and on about how saving the auto industry was the right thing to do, and how Charlie is waaay off. But that's for another day.

The next question asked what was happening with tort reform promised in the health care bill, and why was it harder for businesses to start up today compared with years and years ago.

What a softball.

Charlie stated businesses were absolutely over-regulated, and went on to complain about OSHA required posters that were intended to protect worker's safety. He later answered he supported tort reform.

The next question referred to raising the debt limit. Charlie got excited and took a 'poll.' We had three choices: raising the debt ceiling with no strings attached, raising the debt ceiling with "significant budget controls, and not raising the debt ceiling under any circumstances.

I will give him credit for this, he stated raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the future, and it had everything to do with past spending commitments. He's right.

The poll had a small showing for options 1 and 3, and most support for raising the limit with controls. Charlie stated he agreed.

The next resident stated the Clinton surplus was squandered by the Bush administration when they decided to lower taxes instead of reducing the deficit. Charlie, whose face was starting to get red and voice was getting louder, stated the surplus was more the result of the GOP congress, and Bush raised spending and lowered taxes as a result of 9-11. Funny, I seem to remember getting a $300 check prior to the attacks. He further argued with the standard statistics that the rich pay most of the taxes, while the poor pay very little.

The next question involved the northern pass, and the need to find clean sources of energy. She further stated the younger generation was proud to live among wind turbines.

Charlie stated he supported wind turbines, specifically stating he enjoyed riding on Route 31 to see the Lempster farm. He shared a story of seeing a small-scale 'co-generation' plant on government property in Thornton. He was pretty excited about that. He went on to say NH should be at the fore-front of green technology.

I agree with him (gasp).

The next question involved raising funding for special education. I know little about this one, but it related to raising funding to 40% from the current 18%, though when Charlie started in congress in the 90's, it was 3%. He blamed the Democrats for denying his amendment in the 90's to increase special education funding by a half billion because it stole funding from a program they 'liked better.'

The next question involved the questioner's misunderstanding of how the social security COLA is determined. She was complaining about not getting an increase the prior two years, yet seemed to forget the rather large increase three years ago.

It's not complicated. Each year, a benchmark is set. If one year's inflation is raised to a new high-water mark, then the next year costs plummet - no adjustment, then the next year inflation goes up but not above the high water mark, there is no increase. This isn't rocket science.

Charlie spent his entire answer complaining about how the bureau of labor statistics (BLS) calculates inflation, and that it should be changed, rather than explaining to the poor old woman how it all works.

The next question involved off-shore gambling, which appeared to be a pet peeve for the questioner. Charlie opposes gambling. Moving on.

"What are you doing to help create green jobs and spur green innovation?"

Charlie wants to extend tax preferences for green energy: wind, solar, biomass. But also wants a level playing field for all energy, including oil. He further stated policies should benefit the whole country rather than regions.

The last question involved speculating within commodities futures markets. The questioner was rather informed on how the market works, specifically naked shorting.

Charlie seemed a bit taken back by the specificity of the question, choosing to 'think' for a moment. He began asking the questioner how it all worked. Priceless. Charlie basically concluded limits should be set on those trading or taking positions in the futures markets who cannot take delivery of the commodity - oil in particular. Miraculously, I agree.

So there it is. No screaming, threatening or Obama bashing, and oddly a few things on which I agree with the man. But in general, Charlie is not a powerful speaker, does not possess a clear strategy - he appears to be along for the ride, and most importantly, the man is pessimistic. Not to mention his 100% backwards idea of fair taxation and business practices in general. Annie is FAR more hopeful, with a positive vision of the future, and a clear understanding of how to grow green jobs here in NH that cannot be exported.

Slam dunk in 2012.

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Thank you nhveedub. Your observations are similar to the ones I made last month when Charlie spoke in Jefferson. The harder and more pointed the questions were, the more he stuttered, and the more belligerent he became about the questions.

In Jefferson, he told us that he ran for office again:

"because I knew if I didn't do something about this, I couldn't live with myself." Followed by, "We're going to have to make tough decisions if we're going to preserve America." This generated some groaning, and some "oh, gimme a break" type comments from the other half of the crowd.

He was full of Captain Murka bravado that night. Charlie was used to being a Congressman when NH had a one party system. It seems likely he's getting an earful everywhere he goes, instead of the attaboys he was getting 10 years ago.

You're absolutely right. He has no vision for the future. We'll kick  him to the curb in 2012.  


You are mistaken, Susan. (4.00 / 2)
Bass absolutely does have a vision for the future.

It involves the name "Charles Bass" always being preceded by the term "Congressman".


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And my vision of the future (4.00 / 4)
involves that always being preceded by the term "Former".

They. Don't. Care.
We do.
Rinse, repeat.


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Senator Sanborn raised his hand (4.00 / 2)
for "not raising the debt ceiling under any circumstances."

I.e., what every sane economist, Standard+Poors, etc., etc. says would have massive disastrous consequences for the national and global economy.

That's our Andy!


I missed that (0.00 / 0)
I was one of the few 'voting' to raise the debt limit with no strings.

This is not something to play with. If you want to see real destruction of wealth, and a rapidly rising deficit due to increased interest expense on the existing debt, go for it - don't raise the debt ceiling. This is not some sort of scare tactic - it's real.

That being said, Andy is supposedly one of great business acumen - never mind that pesky bankruptcy of course. You would think he would understand basic macroeconomic and global finance concepts, such as bond ratings and our country's ability to pay for its bills, in part, through our ability to borrow funds, partially controlled by the debt limit.

He had spoken Sunday evening locally, but I missed it. If I know he'll be speaking in public again, I'm there. I imagine he'll have more fireworks than Bass.

Aaron / Deering. Kuster 2012: http://www.kusterforcongress.com/


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Thanks nhveedub (0.00 / 0)
for the very accurate accounting of what went on tonight.  Charlie was very boring.  I especially liked his response to the "Clinton left a surplus, what happened?" question.  I was stunned to hear the answer--"9/11." ???
Not a very exciting evening.
Go Annie!

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.  (John Morley, 1838-1923)

He got Giuliani Disease for a minute there n/t (4.00 / 3)


Aaron / Deering. Kuster 2012: http://www.kusterforcongress.com/


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I love the repeated refernces to the abolition (4.00 / 2)
of Medicare bing ten years away.

He knows he won't be around to blame, and he's banking Gen Xers aren't paying attention.

He's wrong.

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker


It was pretty clear (0.00 / 0)
...that any sort of privatization scheme was not going to fly, regardless of the age bracket. In general, I think, nobody trusts the age limit concept. All they hear is privatization and cuts in benefits.

I really should have made a statement relating to costs.

Thought bubble:
"If these premiums and costs are clearly such a burden for citizens, the costs of paying for employee's insurance and the unknown future costs with the health care reform bill are such burdens on businesses that they'e scared to hire people, and people here clearly enjoy the government run, health care for all program called medicare, isn't the obvious solution to join the rest of the industrialized world, stop health care for profit and finally provide universal health care?"

Next time Charlie:)

On a related note, I just finished a fantastic book by Wendell Potter called Deadly Spin. He was a high-up PR guy for Cigna. The book reveals all the nasty tricks the health insurance industry used to kill health care reform in the 90's, and both water down the bill signed last year AND secure an influx of new clients through the mandate. It's very informative, and will likely make you very angry - but that's enough of my commercial.

Aaron / Deering. Kuster 2012: http://www.kusterforcongress.com/


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That means, starting next year (4.00 / 1)
every worker under 55 will pay into Medicare even though it will be gone when they retire.

"Some day" is today, as the ads used to say.


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Interesting interpretation (0.00 / 0)
of recent history: "Charlie stated the tax reductions were not for the wealthy, but were instead for the corporations..."

I thought the proposal was to lower the highest rate to 25%?  And I thought that was for personal taxes.  As for corporations using their tax breaks (the ones that make it possible for companies like GE to pay no taxes and actually get money back!)to create jobs, the latest statistics show that they have been creating jobs, but not here.

I will grant to Charlie that it is difficult to talk to us peons when his out-of-state masters are looking over his shoulder.  From the questions, I would guess that at least some of the voters in the second district have figured out that Charlie is not working for them.  


I suspect (0.00 / 0)
he changed his tune after the Jefferson town hall, where he defended tax cuts for the wealthy, even though he isn't one of them, he said. After I blogged about that, there was a flurry of visits to my blog from the US House of Representatives ISP.  I doubt he wanted to get mired in another discussion of the ongoing redistribution of wealth taking place, since he didn't come out looking well at his last town hall.  

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Time Magazine online blog on the town hall (0.00 / 0)
http://swampland.time.com/2011...

Includes an interview with one of the questioners, and this bit of good news:

Bass beat Ann McLane Kuster by 48.35% of the vote to 46.76% in 2010 - a margin of just 3,570 votes. And 2010 was a wave Republican year - unlikely to be repeated in 2012 with President Obama on the ballot. Kuster is likely to run again.

Best statistics I've read all week!

Aaron / Deering. Kuster 2012: http://www.kusterforcongress.com/


Money quote: (4.00 / 1)
Erik Spitzbarth, 62, and his wife Diane Loomis drove 15 minutes from Hancock. They are the quintessential swing voters. Both are independents who voted for Bass in 2010. But Spitzbarth voted for John McCain in 2008 and Loomis pulled the lever for Barack Obama. They pay $1,700 a month in health care premiums. If health care reform had included an early buy-in for those 60+ into Medicare, they say they'd be die-hard ObamaCare supporters. But as it stands, they like neither health care reform nor Ryan's budget. "This is just salt in the wound," Spitzbarth - questioner No. 4 - lamented to Bass.

...Bass spent a lot of time at his town hall trying to explain why it's not, in his characterization, a voucher system. But he didn't convince Spitzbarth and Loomis. "I like Medicare the way it is," Spitzbarth told Bass to applause from the audience, "don't screw it up."



birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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