When You Don't Know Who You're Voting For

shaking my head... (0.00 / 0)

add to the evidence of "Is this you voted for?"

Hope >> Fear





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by: Mike Hoefer @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 02:24:31 AM UTC

Wow. n/t (4.00 / 1)

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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by: Dean Barker @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 02:39:21 AM UTC

She got lost on her way to the State House... (4.00 / 1)

That woman would gleefully join the House circus!

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

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by: Ray Buckley @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 05:02:40 AM UTC

I think you are nuts (0.00 / 0)

Of course they knew just who they were voting for. It keeps coming up that some voting booth troll took control of the minds of the people that put us out in the street. Sorry, it was greedy, selfish New Hampshire people - and they are still here. They don't consider anything said here to be other than the truth and what they wish to accomplish. Just ask them. Or read what they write. Or go to a Concord session and testify. Makes no difference whatsoever. This is what they intended and what they like. Get over it.

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by: xteeth @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 11:16:24 AM UTC

I suspect it's a bit more complicated (0.00 / 0)

than that.  There's some racism going on about Obama, and there was a lot of staying home instead of voting.  There was great organizing and it wasn't on our side.  And there were some who thought that they were voting for people like our past moderate Republicans.  Don't forget that most of the policies they are getting rid of were put in place by NH Republicans.  I have not given up hope.  But then, if I do, what next?  You may have a plan for that.  I don't.

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by: Lucy Edwards @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 11:27:12 AM UTC

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A little racism? (4.00 / 1)

As Donald Trump has shown us, the Republican voters are actually the real life embodiment of the residents of Rock Ridge, the town in Mel Brooks' epic political thriller, "Blazing Saddles" and we can expect to see variations on the "The Sheriff is a... near!" meme repeated at every level.

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by: Brian K @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 19:31:27 PM UTC

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you're entitled to your opinion (0.00 / 0)

of course, xteeth - but don't forget, I live here. Sure, the Carroll County Republican organization knew what they were getting, but the average voter, who had been hyped up by the media didn't have a clue. They knew she was a Republican, and married to Joe Kenney, and that was good enough for them. The County Commission races aren't exactly high profile.  

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by: susanthe @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 11:51:58 AM UTC

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It's our twilight zone too. (0.00 / 0)

We ALL live here as you say. Do all the suspecting and entitling and whatever you like but then as you two know as well as I do, the results of testifying, writing, blogging is nothing. I don't find living in a fantasy all that reinforcing. Your experience may be different. Many here and at those meetings in Barrington and all over just keep asserting that it was some huge mistake. When I label something a mistake, it is because those who did it change their minds (not a scintilla of evidence), situations of huge magnitude make likely some change - look at the legislation, they haven't changed in the least, writers, bloggers, legislators talk about change - have you heard anything different from Ayotte, Bass, Bradley, Guinta or any one?

The Republicant plan, undiminished as far as I can tell, is whatever they do, however obviously wrong it is, no matter how many people show up to disagree, they just double it up. Someone shoots people, the answer is more guns. Government spending more than it takes in? Cut the amount that it takes in. Wars cost too much? Have another war. Corporations pay no taxes? Cut taxes on corporations. Greedy CEO's make $9 million each? Remove strictures on remuneration.

This is how greedy, unsocialized people behave. I think it is time for you to start telling the rest of us just what sickness is in your head that makes you keep spewing excuses for them. They are ugly and they are proud of it. Can you imagine cutting a program called Children in Need of Services? They are just so proud of it. Are you proud of making up excuses for them? I'm not.

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by: xteeth @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 12:18:35 PM UTC

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oh, I'm a big excuser (4.00 / 1)

a total apologist. That's an insulting accusation, and you fucking well know better. You're crossing a line here - and I urge you rethink and retract.

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by: susanthe @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 12:44:14 PM UTC

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I understand that you are frustrated (0.00 / 0)

but attacking your friends, while it may make you feel better for a minute, isn't going to fix your problem.  If you want to fix it.  I can't tell.  
I have children and grandchildren.  I will continue to fight for them, and I will continue to believe that there are good people in this state and in the world, because I know a lot of them.  
When I am tempted to open my mouth, literally and/or figuratively, I always ask myself if the short term enjoyment I get out of saying what I am thinking when I am angry or frustrated or upset is worth the long term consequences on my relationships with others.  I have never been able to honestly answer that question with a "Yes."  

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by: Lucy Edwards @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 12:51:41 PM UTC

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Why so insulting? (4.00 / 1)

You responded in a similar way to me on another diary. You first make the claim that NH voters are nasty, greedy, terrbile people; when somone suggest you are wrong, you point to the actions of the legislators and say see, that proves I am right. No, all it does is prove that the legislators are wrongheaded on a significant number of policy issues; it does nothing to prove that the voters expected the legislators to go about destroying the state.

Then you go and insult everyone who doesn't agree with you as being nuts, stupid or sick, making excuses for the wrongheaded actions of the legislators, etc. Not sure why you feel the need to be personally insulting just because people disagree with you.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 13:15:46 PM UTC

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I believe that I said most voters - a defined term indicating a majority (0.00 / 0)

But by all means go for the absolutist position. I am pretty sure that we lost due to a majority of the voters voting against us QED.

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by: xteeth @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 13:36:52 PM UTC

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listen up (4.00 / 1)

Your rage has overtaken any common sense you may have once possessed, and it's had a negative effect on your reading comprehension skills.

My post is about COUNTY government. Go out on the street right now and ask any 10 random  people who their county commissioners are. Most of them won't have any idea. County races are not high profile - in any county in this state. That's not excuse making, that's just reality. The average voter in this county didn't know anything about Asha Kenney beyond her party affiliation and her marital status. And because we have lousy media, they still don't know.  

You're going on about state legislators, Congressmen, Senators, CEO's and a whole lof of other blather that doesn't have anything to do with this post. Your rage has consumed you to the point where you're turning on people who are on your side.

You've made ugly accusations against me. I won't forget, and I won't forgive. You and I are done, Bob.

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by: susanthe @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 13:49:57 PM UTC

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Rather be well done but that's rare. (0.00 / 0)

That's odd because I don't even feel particularly mad. All this imputed rage stuff makes me wonder about reading interpretation. I assert that those who won the state are nasty, greedy, thoughtless because now that they are in office, guess what? They are doing nasty greedy, selfish things. I don't know nor do I particularly care what goes on in their heads. Perhaps that comes from the behaviorist history I have. Things are the way they are. County, state, local, universal, milky way pretty much all the same. Read any of the later Festinger stuff. We may find out that all these voting patterns are genetic. I don't care any more than I do about the threats. I have found a bunch of stuff that seems to me might wave the flag of social consciousness and I will probably continue to do it whether the evil eye is pointed at me or not. Perhaps not a lot, perhaps more than some, less than others.

I think that making excuses for them does us no good. Doesn't do them any harm either as they lack the sense of shame for selfishness with which I was brought up. Kathy seems to think that that is some sort of imperious morality on my part, doesn't feel that way to me but I am pretty careful not to make that sort of judgement - you do it instead.

Still, as I look back over the text here, I see no disagreement with how they behave and what they continue to do. It is selfish, greedy, thoughtless, harmful etc. Any Deerfield select board meeting demonstrates the same inconsiderateness, thoughtlessness, unconcern for local people shown in the video. So should I make excuses for my guys? Nope. Nor yours. Ugly accusations? Eye of the beholder in my view. I hate these continual excuses for the ugliness though I understand that they are part of feeling good about where we all live. Who wants to live in a state where the majority are like that. Probably why Kathy wanted me to leave the state and why I refer to that as being Republican behavior. As I think common to many of us (thought the minority) I'd rather just continue my output (however small or large you might rate it) to make things better. They aren't going to change. My hope is that particularly poor people will realize both their power through voting and the harm being done to them. Then the result of the vote will change and we can get back to being the inclusive, considerate society that tries to protect the weak, not feed them into the economic meat grinder.

Sorry you are pissed though. Wouldn't seem to be worth the effort.

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by: xteeth @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 14:47:00 PM UTC

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that's the thing about (4.00 / 1)

making bullshit accusations. It tends to piss people off.

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by: susanthe @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 15:17:09 PM UTC

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But see, there are no contradictions in your answers just pleas (0.00 / 0)

What could I possibly want more, as a selfish, greedy, thoughtless sociopath, than to have those I try to grind under my heel make up excuses for me? Oh, he/she didn't know what they were doing. Oh, he/she just didn't think through the consequences of their actions. Oh, he/she wasn't feeling well and needs to be forgiven. Oh, he/she was being misled. And on and on.

That's what we have now. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that they would particularly care if we had the timerety to call them out, as I have said ad nauseum, they don't care. That is what makes them sociopaths. And makes us enablers.

There is no shame possible. All there is is our feeble forgiveness because as the socialized, we just can't imagine that they should be taken at their word. Well they should. Just ask them. Read what they write. Look at the laws that they pass. You can't deny the reality, all you can do is make up further excuses.

Look at the polls of Faux Noise listeners. They still think Obama is a Muslim, born in Kenya, now a Soviet tool, promoting Sharia Law. He caused 9/11 by bowing to the leaders of Islam. What do we say? You should just look at the facts. They don't care about facts. They are nasty, greedy, selfish and in their own world, unconvincible by reality. Gingrich loves women and is faithful, Clinton, not so much. Pawlenty never was in favor of Cap and Trade. Romney hates socialized medicine. Ask Fenton Groen about women soliciting rape. Ask Simpson about whether Social Security is a communist plot. I'm too tired and you are too smart to continue this.

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by: xteeth @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 13:30:28 PM UTC

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There's more (0.00 / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Apparently Mr Albee isn't the only one she has contempt for, its everyone involved in county government in the past.  

And for someone so opposed to making changes to the meeting minutes she's making a lot of changes in this clip.

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by: ecorbett78 @ Thu May 12, 2011 at 13:08:28 PM UTC