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On Education Funding: John Lynch's Solution - "Donor Taxpayers?"

by: Rep. Jim Splaine

Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 20:46:47 PM EST


(Issue Number One for the new session... - promoted by Dean)

New Hampshire Inaugural Day at the State House is usually quite interesting.  I've gone to a few of them, and I'm always awed by it all.  Not by the fact that I'm there, but rather by the transfer and evolution of government in a very peaceful and orderly fashion from some people to others.

Sometimes it's a new Governor.  Sometimes new Executive Councilors.  Always some new House and Senate members.  Kind of nice to see that happen every couple of years.  People change, but democracy continues.

This past Thursday was no exception.  I arrived in Concord from Portsmouth just a few minutes early, and my first stop was in the men's room.  Former Governor Walter Peterson was just about to wash his hands, and I observed that I'd shake his hand but would rather not at the moment.  He laughed.

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Rep. Jim Splaine :: On Education Funding: John Lynch's Solution - "Donor Taxpayers?"
I quickly remembered that my very first Inaugural Day in 1969, which I still remember quite clearly, was when he was sworn in.  Long ago, but not really so long ago.  He was a good Governor.  In fact, he looked ready to do the job again right now.

Anyway, John Lynch gave his Inaugural Address just after the Noon hour.  It seems like he speaks better and better every time I see him.  I've watched some of the other Governors' Inaugurals on C-Span during the past few days, and saw lots of them using those Tele-Prompters.  They always seem to get in the way of good communicating -- and most just don't use them right.  But John Lynch didn't need one of those machines.  He did a good job right off his notes.  He knew what he wanted to say, and he said it well.

About 90% of his speech got me cheering, as myself and all Democrats and even most Republicans stood often in applause.  Maybe even 95%.  Those small pieces I wasn't thrilled about weren't all that important.  His theme of "bipartisanship" is something that works well, and he really means it. 

What I did take exception to was his rather simplistic "solution" to education funding.  I wasn't alone in my concern about his approach since many of my fellow Democrats also didn't seem to like it.

For years we had a "donor communities" approach for education funding where some cities and towns would pay more into a state education fund than others, and some communities would get more money from that fund than others.  It kind of created a tug-a-war between cities and towns, and we even saw lawsuits about it.

The courts, most notably the State Supreme Court, have said that it is our shared responsibility to fund an "adequate" education for all New Hampshire students.  That makes sense.  Funding education is really a shared INVESTMENT in our future, since those among us who are in school today are those who will be touching the 22nd Century, not most of us making these decisions today. 

John Lynch is proposing a Constitutional Amendment to "narrowly" define how we can legally provide "targeted aid" to school districts, rather than to provide a set amount for each student.

"Targeted aid" sounds good, and probably rates well in the polls, but what it really means is rob the Peters to pay the Pauls.  Instead of "donor communities" where certain towns or cities would pay more, it would mean we'd have "donor taxpayers," where all taxpayers in one form or another, one level or another, would pay into some state fund, and that fund would be divided up to certain selected school districts.

That means lots of taxpayers would pay more for their school costs, primarily through their local property taxes.  Homeowners AND renters pay property taxes, by the way, and it isn't based on any concept of ability to pay.  If you live with a roof over your head, you have to pay. 

Does that sound fair and equitable?  Probably not.  In fact, the courts say we can't do it right now, so that's why we'd need a Constitutional Amendment, so that legally it could be done.  The Constitutional Amendment would ALLOW us to have an unfair and inequitable solution.

I just can't imagine how 2/3rds of the House and Senate AND the voters -- the question would appear on the November, 2008 ballot -- would approve such a scheme.

Our job, and the Governor's, is to allow for a full and open, honest discussion about our education funding obligations. 

Several times I've suggested a Statewide Education Summit, and there is still a window of opportunity to do that before the June 30th, 2007 deadline looming over us.

We should bring together all the stakeholders and expertise in the state, including educational experts from our universities, former Governors, school board officials, mayors, educators, businesspeople -- and young people as well -- to consider all options.

Let's look at how to reinvent our statewide educational administrative systems, what efficiencies we can bring to that system, and how we can provide for long-term sustainable funding. 

We need to look at how other states handle their statewide education obligations.  We have to identify the "best practices" of doing so.

I like John Lynch.  He's been a good Governor in most respects.  He's far exceeded my expectations, and I had set those rather high.

But creating a system of "donor taxpayers" to replace the concept of "donor communities" for education funding isn't my idea of good government.  Bringing people to the table in a bipartisan -- better yet, a non-partisan -- manner is better.

We have a job to do for our next generation of New Hampshire residents.  We have to do it well.  We can't fail them.  Our future and theirs depends on how we do our job.

What do you think?

 

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Your anecdote about Gov. Peterson (4.00 / 2)
in a diary on this particular subject makes me ask: what do you think of his son's plan to fund our schools?

Of course, you may was your hands of that question, if you wish... :)

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker


I think Speaker Norelli (4.00 / 1)
has the horse before the cart (properly), in calling for us to decide what constitutes an "adequate education" first, without worrying about how to pay for it.

We HAVE to pay for it, to be a good community and to stay economically alive. That would be true regardless of what our forefathers demanded of us in the Constitution (which I think is a more honest description than: "the Court decided").

Earlier we were talking here about the proposal that Andy Peterson, the Governor's son, has put forward. He hasn't joined us here, but a lot of us found the proposal intriguing. (Statewide property tax, "homestead" exemption for properties below about $200K).


Some Thoughts: (4.00 / 1)
From the Union Leader:

"The people of New Hampshire have spoken clearly," he said. "They believe, as I do, that the state has a responsibility for education. They believe, as I do, that the state should meet that responsibility without fundamentally changing our tax structure, particularly with a sales or income tax."

[...]

"To implement the best education policy for the state, I strongly believe that we must be open to considering a narrow amendment to our constitution," he said.

Republicans gave Lynch a standing ovation on his call for an amendment. Democrats -- who traditionally opposed amendments -- gave it a lukewarm reception. Lynch needs 60 percent of the Legislature to get an amendment to the 2008 ballot. Two-thirds of voters would have to vote yes for it to become part of the constitution.

"I was the first one out of my seat," said Senate Republican Leader Ted Gatsas.

He noted that Lynch will need Democratic support to pass an amendment.

"The governor's the captain of that team. There's no question he's got to lead the charge," said Gatsas.

Isn't it odd that the Republicans are cheering, and the Union Leader is talking about the necessity of convincing Democrats?

Isn't John Lynch the bully pulpit of NH Democrats?

I am very reluctant to go changing the constitution every time it limits political options.  Frequently, if something is unconstitutional, it is also immoral.

Something smells very fishy when the governor talks about a responsibility to provide education, and takes every option for raising the capital to do it off the table.


Our state Constitution (4.00 / 1)
Here.

I think we cribbed it from John Adams' work on the Massachusetts Constitution.

A couple of years before the US Constitution, we put the Bill of Rights first. And we included a Right to Revolution, about 180 years before the Jefferson Airplane's Volunteers.

Lynch is screwing up BIG TIME on this issue. This may have made some sense six months ago when he expected to face a strong GOP.

He will be a failed Governor unless he changes course. The amendment will not pass; we will be back to Square Zero; it will be 2009 and he will be trying to pick up the pieces, while Judd Gregg smiles.


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Constitutional Amendments: (0.00 / 0)
Does anyone know how many times the NH State Constitution has been amended?

How Frequently does this happen?

Where can I read past amendments?


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Found a bit: (0.00 / 0)
From Wikipedia:

On June 5, 1781, a constitutional convention was convened and began writing the state's new constitution. In the Spring of 1782, a draft of the constitution was sent to town meetings for ratification. During the town meetings there were substantial proposed amendments that the Constitution was redrafted by the Convention and resubmitted to town meetings in Fall 1782. The second draft of the 1784 Constitution was met with even more proposed amendments. A third draft was necessary before it was resubmitted and accepted in the town meetings "as is." On October 31, 1783, the constitution was established and the Convention adjourned sine die, after having declared the constitution ratified. In Spring 1783, a requisite number of town meetings ratified the third draft and it became effective June 2, 1784.

On September 7, 1791, a constitutional convention began drafting 72 amendments to the 1784 Constitution be redrafted into a new whole document and submitted it to the people on February 8, 1792. The revisions of the 1784 Constitution submitted to the people became effective June 5, 1793.

Since 1793, there have been only five constitutional conventions, with twenty-six amendments adopted of the sixty-four proposed. Sixteen times the people have voted negatively to question of calling a constitutional convention.

Before 1980, the only method for amending the constitution was by convention every seven years. The adoption of an amendment to Pt. II, Art. 100 allowed for either the General Court or Constitutional Convention to submit amendments to the people for adoption.

This talks about constitutional convention, but not about successful amendments to the NH Constitution.


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Right of Revolution (0.00 / 0)
[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

Establishing the right to dissolve the framework of a state in the event of that the "ends of government are perverted" within the framework itself.

Radical. Beautiful.  Evincing of forethought.  May we never have to exercise Article 10, but how proud I am to live in such a state that contains it.

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker


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yes and I think I was cribbed from Mass (0.00 / 0)
particularly the "Cherish" statement that seems to be one of the key words.

I think I have some stuff in my files about this and Claremont in general I'll see if I can dig them up and scan them... A quick Google turned up this PDF New Hampshire's quest for a
constitutionally adequate education by Oyebola Olabisi Which, based on a 3 second review looks like a good overview of the history here. I'm going to read it before I run my mouth off much more.

And... remember there is an event coming up in Concord on the 19th. I put a link to it in the Events Section. It could be something of a showdown.

[Snark] I guess we have always been Massachusetts North ;-) [/Snark]

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Bad Link (0.00 / 0)
Looks like I have an extra period in the url above. it is
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I'm missing the point (0.00 / 0)
Aren't we all "donor taxpayers" no matter what the tax system?  We pay in money, the money gets divided up among various state programs. What is the problem?  Frankly, I thought the "donor town" argument was ridiculous. Why is it okay for Manchester to send business enterprise taxes and business profits taxes from all the banks, law firms, accounting firms, and other businesses in Manchester to Concord, in addition to rooms and meals taxes, lottery revenues and liquor sales, as well as property axes, but it was a problem for Portsmouth, Amherst and Waterville Valley to send property taxes? 
Lets hear the details on this targeted aid program before we throw it under a bus!

Donor Taxpayers (0.00 / 0)
How can we possibly be 'donor taxpayers', when Governor Lynch wants to repeal the current would like to repeal the state's education property tax, and NOT institute another broad based tax?

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Donor taxpayers (0.00 / 0)
By the logic of "donor towns" a "donor taxpayer" would be a family that pays more in property tax for education than it consumes in education benefits.

Years ago, when both my daughters were in grade school, I was not a donor taxpayer. Today I am.

The implications of taking this view are profoundly anti-social -- which is why allowing the phrase "donor town" to ever gain currency was a very bad thing.


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Debtor towns (4.00 / 1)
Yeah, donor is a bad frame. Donor relates to gifts, and implies forced charity: http://wordnet.princ...

By educating our young, we pay society BACK for what it has given us. A better term would be debtor towns, since these towns have not paid back this debt yet according to their means.

Admittedly, that's too harsh... but I think it's no more harsh than donor towns is lenient.



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