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The Democratic Party Going Forward

by: Jennifer Daler

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:04:03 AM EDT


There has been some discussion of the prolonged and often negative primary process and its positive or negative effects on the Democratic Party going forward, especially on down ticket races.

Most agree that this primary race, along with major dissatisfaction with Bush and his party, has galvanized more people than ever to participate in the Democratic primary, especially the young and so-called minorities. The youth vote is very important because research shows people tend to stick with the party they chose as young adults, whether Democratic or Republican. I know more than one elderly Republican whose views tend more Democratic these days, but will not change party registration.

There is a real chance, in my opinion, for the Democratic party to lose the potential for new members, fresh ideas and new energy if there is a "coup" of super delegates or some other smoke filled room scene a la 1968. The story is as old as Chronos eating his own children for fear they will usurp his power.

But what of the youth, many of whom are involved in their first political campaign? Will they stay with "the party" if they perceive the nomination being stolen somehow? Do they accept the "politics ain't beanbag" meme?

There's an interesting take on this from Elizabeth Drew on Politico.com

Drew cites three reasons why super delegates will not be rushing to abandon Obama:

(a) Hillary Rodham Clinton is such a polarizing figure that everyone who ever considered voting Republican in November, and even many who never did, will go to the polls to vote against her, thus jeopardizing Democrats down the ticket - i.e., themselves, or, for party leaders, the sizeable majorities they hope to gain in the House and the Senate in November.

(b) To take the nomination away from Obama when he is leading in the elected delegate count would deeply alienate the black base of the Democratic Party, and, in the words of one leading Democrat, "The superdelegates are not going to switch their voter and jeopardize the future of the Democratic Party for generations." Such a move, he said, would also disillusion the new, mostly young, voters who have entered into politics for the first time because of Obama, and lose the votes of independents who could make the critical difference in November.

(c) Because the black vote can make the decisive difference in numerous congressional districts, discarding Obama could cost the Democrats numerous seats.

Furthermore, the congressional Democratic leaders don't draw the same conclusion from Pennsylvania and also earlier contests that many observers think they do: that Obama's candidacy is fatally flawed because he has as yet been largely unable to win the votes of working class whites. They point out something that has been largely overlooked in all the talk - the Ohio and Pennsylvania primaries were closed primaries, and, one key congressional Democrat says, "Yes, he doesn't do really well with a big part of the Democratic base, but she doesn't do well with independents, who will be critical to success in November."

"We may have to go to June, and whoever ends up with the most delegates wins," a key Democrat says. "Meanwhile, the attention will be on the battle she can't win, so why is she doing this - from here on out she's only bleeding the party. The right way to put it is, 'This is a war of attrition and it's obvious that the numbers aren't going to add up, so what's the point?'" He added, "The hope is that at some point the superdelegates will get frustrated and join the Obama bandwagon."

The question is why doesn't this happen sooner rather than later?

Another perspective on the same theme from a Daily Kos blogger.

That's why Obama is the right nominee for Democrats in 2008.  Not just because he is winning by all real measures, including actual delegates and the popular vote, nor because he is just as electable as Clinton if not more so.  All of these are true, but it wouldn't matter if they were not.

Obama is the nominee who can literally lock in structural advantages for Democrats for the next forty years (to say nothing of Obama's downballot advantages today).  Clinton is the nominee who will wage an increasingly futile battle to bring back the lost Democratic coalitions of yesteryear.

Win or lose in November, the right choice for the Party and the country is obvious: Barack Obama is the candidate who will secure the future of the Party--win or lose.  Just don't expect pundits, prognosticators and consultants still stuck in the realignment patterns of 1968 to understand that.

They just don't get it--and they probably never will.

This primary is more than just to see which candidate gets the nomination. It is for the future of the Democratic party. I believe there are times in history when a window opens and real change can occur. If that window shuts, the opportunity may be lost for another generation.  

Jennifer Daler :: The Democratic Party Going Forward
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There is a self-destructive trend among Obama loyalists (4.00 / 1)
to frame the contest as a battle between the young new idealists and the jaded, corrupt old guard.

That much at least is similar to 1968.

It's a pretty self-indulgent view of the world.


I think we, as Obama supporters, should take a breather. (0.00 / 0)
The superdelegates will not overturn the will of the voters and pledged delegates.  Even if you don't trust them to do the right thing, you can trust that they don't have the chutzpah to take the risk of young voters and black voters staying home in November.

--
No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


Recurring Imagery (2.00 / 2)

Monty Python and the Neverending Campaign
By Rob Tornoe

BHers have had a few stabs at this metaphor.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?


Numbers (4.00 / 2)
I don't think the argument should be "his voters will stay home." I think the argument should be "He got more votes and has more delegates."

There's another thing. (0.00 / 0)
A lot of his voters are voting for him, not for the Democratic Party.  They're not the party's base; they're his base.  They are not to be taken for granted if we don't put him up for the general election.

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No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


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That may be true (0.00 / 0)
I don't think they should be taken for granted. But as a Democrat, I want to hear that he is bringing voters into the party who will stay. That is a more appealing, inclusive message.



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That is a long-term thing. (0.00 / 0)
If he gets elected, the Obama Democrats will rival the Reagan Republicans.  The problem here is that while Obama looks to the long-term problems that we as a country and an international community have, which I believe is a big reason why he appeals to younger people (let's be honest, we don't all have a personal interest in what happens in fifty years), Hillary deals with short-term fixes and half solutions.

Personally, I don't look for the President who's going to send me a $300 tax rebate, and that's the kind of "solution" I expect from Hillary.

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No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


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I'm not sure that's fair to Hillary (0.00 / 0)
But my point was short term re: the nomination. As a Democratic voter, I want to hear that he is helping to build my party for the future.

And you are right, we won't know the full effect for a long time, whatever happens.


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He's trying to do that. (0.00 / 0)
He's fundraising for the DNC right now, and I'm sure his intention is to build the party for keeps.

But he doesn't have control of those who vote for him. Organizing Dems and progressives has always been a little like herding cats. Dems try for the big tent and there will always be a certain amount of conflict.

My concern is with the potential to squander the new found enthusiasm, especially that of the younger people. And I see that happening if and only if they perceive a potential Hillary nomination as not having been on the up and up, that's all. I'm not making this up. I'm calling it as I see it. And I'm not "framing" anything. There was a lot of bad feeling after the NH primary, and it has a good chance of returning if people feel the smoke filled room overturned the reults of the primary--or even seating FL and MI. After all that tussle to keep NH "first in the nation"? What's with that?


[ Parent ]
"I want to hear that he is helping to build my party for the future." (0.00 / 0)
Per the Boston Globe in a current article:

Just today, Obama is launching a national voter registration drive, called Vote for Change

Obama has begun joint fundraising with the DNC

Senator Clinton, enraged when Democratic Party leaders fail to coronate her against the will of the people, has done neither of these things.  Then again, it's probably because her campaign is so cash-strapped it doesn't feel the need to pay for such petty things as their rent and cleaning their campaign offices when they leave, several million dollars in debt to Mark Penn, etc.

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No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


[ Parent ]
And now the rest of the story (0.00 / 0)
From the Washington Post today:

In an attempt to kick start the general election contest before the party has picked its nominee, Democratic National Committee officials have met in recent days with the top campaign brass of Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) to brief them on the committee's plans in the coming months.

DNC chief of staff Tom McMahon and political director Dave Boundy met yesterday at Clinton's Ballston headquarters with Guy Cecil, political director for the New York Senator's bid, and Howard Wolfson, one of the campaign's chief strategists, among others. A similar DNC delegation huddled with senior officials from the Obama campaign several weeks ago.

The discussion, according to DNC communications director Karen Finney, centered on the field plan the national party is implementing for the fall campaign, a rough outline of the DNC's strategy in regards Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) -- the committee and the presidential candidates cannot directly coordinate on messaging -- and plans to form joint committees to raise money both for the nominee and the DNC.



Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
Thank you Paul Harvey /nt (0.00 / 0)


for transparency sake ~I represent Union print shops

[ Parent ]
Page 2! (0.00 / 0)
We all complain so much about the national press, and the lack of balanced coverage, and the sins of the MSM, but we are all usually perfectly prepared to accept press stories that support our perspective, without looking further to see if perhaps the particular reporter has left out part of the story. We need fair witnesses - did you ever read Stranger in a Strange Land?  It has a lot of issues, but I did like the concept of fair witnesses.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
Water Brothers Sistah n/t (0.00 / 0)


for transparency sake ~I represent Union print shops

[ Parent ]
"Anne, what color is that house?" (0.00 / 0)
"I can see that the front of it is blue."


[ Parent ]
That WaPo story talks about meetings. Clinton may yet establish such a committee, but she has not yet. (0.00 / 0)
So, referencing the Boston Globe article I linked to above,

John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and the Republican National Committee already have a joint committee. So far, Hillary Clinton does not have the same arrangement, usually done for the nominee.


--
No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


[ Parent ]
Not accurate (0.00 / 0)
Douglas, I get that you don't like Hillary Clinton, but stating that she deals with "short term fixes" and "half solutions" is not accurate. Go to her web site and read her issues positions. She has comprehensive, in depth positions on a number of issues, which is one of the reasons she is the best candidate to be president.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
It's not just her; I came off earlier as having that criticism exclusively of her, and I was wrong on that count. (0.00 / 0)
American politics and business have the defect of looking to the next quarter instead of the next quarter century.  That's why the big three in Detroit are so far behind on energy efficiency and alternative energy  Most everyone in Washington supported the stimulus package, (including all three of the candidates, to be fair) but at the end of the day, I don't need the government to force me into a small long-term loan because they failed to regulate the lending industry; that's not a solution.  In fact, it's adding onto another problem they're not solving.

That said, it does seem that very often, the Clinton campaign lives to get through the news cycle and worry about what happens later, later.  I can't see how else to explain this kitchen sink mess--did you see Congressman Clyburn on MSNBC today saying some of his House colleagues worry that, knowing they can't win the nomination, the Clinton camp just wants to ensure Obama doesn't get elected so that she can run in four years?  I'm not buying into that theory, and neither is Clyburn, but the fact is, you can see why they think that.  Which brings us back to the question jbd originally asked: what are the candidates doing to help the party?  I can say one thing with not a doubt in my mind: what Hillary Clinton has been doing every day for the past several months is hurting the party, not helping.

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No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


[ Parent ]
Got any data? (0.00 / 0)
Every candidate makes that claim...

[ Parent ]
Check the exit polls from every open contest. (0.00 / 0)
His voters are, in large part, independents.

--
No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


[ Parent ]
Fact Check, or, Define "in large part" (0.00 / 0)
In New Hampshire, based on exit poll data, Obama recieved 51,252 Independent votes out of a total of 125,006 Independents voting in the Democratic primary. In Massachusetts, Obama received 172,437 Independent votes out of 410,564 Independents who voted.  In some states, Obama did receive a larger share of I votes; in Georgia, he had 125,264 out of 198,832 I votes, and in Virginai, 147,305 out of 213,486 I votes. But, in Tennesee, Obama received 12,974 I votes out of 51,229, while in Arizona, 17,701 out of 55,317 I votes.  This is all from an exit poll analysis in Media Matters, Feb. 19.  And, according to exit poll data posted on ABC News after the Ohio and Texas primaries,

Also in both states, Clinton prevailed among mainline Democrats. Obama approximately tied her among independents and Republicans voting in both open Democratic primaries.

So, no, it is not quite accurate to state that Obama's votes are, in large part, independent.    

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
In New Hampshire, Obama beat Hillary among self-identified Independents by ten percentage points. (0.00 / 0)
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20...

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No tea; no decaf.

@DougLindner


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FACT CHECK OrR DEFINE (0.00 / 0)
Kathy, AS USUAL you are stating the facts. Hillary has a very wide appeal to many groups! This is showing in her new poll numbers. GO Hillary!!!

Stanley Devorin-Post

Thank you God! (0.00 / 0)
The rolodex will spin.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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