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Where's My Freaking Obama Bumper Sticker, Plouffe?

by: elwood

Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 19:11:20 PM EDT


$66 million in small donations in August.

And my local office doesn't have any bumper stickers or yard signs, and they don't know when they will get any. And New Hampshire is a swing state.

People are busting their asses for this candidate and the national organization can't handle the freaking basics that a state rep manages.

Get your act together, please.

elwood :: Where's My Freaking Obama Bumper Sticker, Plouffe?
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One of the volunteers (0.00 / 0)
was suggesting ways I could make my own bumper sticker out of other materials.

After - I assume - the campaign had spent serious money on graphic designers and focus groupy stuff to build just the right collateral.


I want one too (0.00 / 0)
On one hand, you're right.

On the other hand, I'm calling your state right now on my cell phone.

Maybe they're geniuses ...


It isn't just here, I gather (0.00 / 0)
I've heard similar stories in Virginia.

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http://store.barackobama.com/ (0.00 / 0)


Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

That wasn't necessary for (0.00 / 0)
the Shaheen sign in our yard or the bumper sticker.

And after I drove a mile to the Obama office they didn't suggest it, either.


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Crabs in a barrel (4.00 / 1)
Why do Democrats/Progressives act like crabs in a barrel when we get in a good place?  You're complaining about missing bumper stickers and this is front-page stuff?  Come on.

By the way, I walked into the Manchester office the other day and got myself a dozen Obama bumperstickers as soon as I asked.  They are now all on cars.  

They had signs too.  And all sorts of lapel stickers for different constituency groups.  


Then the campaign is pretty f*cked up, huh? (0.00 / 0)
If they have a surplus 50 miles away?

No retail chain would let that happen without trying to fix it.


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Damn, I just gave my free one away (0.00 / 0)
I had gotten a free one in the mail from MoveOn, but I gave it to a friend from Ireland who lives in Boston to put on her car.  (Already have my Women for Obama sticker on my car that's been there since June 2007), and I have my big circle O's left over from the 100 Club Dinner, in the back window of my car... which my husband says is a driving hazard (probably is).

I'm glad that the campaign has better things to do than drive bumper stickers from Manchester to wherever they're out of bumper stickers.

I ordered some stuff, too, my $50 Obama-Biden "starter kit," t-shirt, bumpa sticka, yard sign, etc... got a very nice email that with the huge response, they're a bit overlogged.  I'd rather have that problem any day!  You can have my yard sign when I get it...we live on a cul-de-sac and all my neighbors pretty much ALREADY know who I'm voting for.


Feeling hopeful since 2004...


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Nashua's got them too (0.00 / 0)
I was in the Nashua office today and they've got a bunch of signs there too.  Funny.

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Just stopped in Nashua this morning (0.00 / 0)
They have yard signs, one per person, please.

No bumper stickers.  They've ordered them.  Expect them next week.  They see it as a positive sign... a run on Obama gear!  Not a bad thing everyone wants one.

Did pick up my Hodes bumpa sticka though.

Feeling hopeful since 2004...


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Little else but Republican signs where I am (0.00 / 0)
sometimes the occasional Shaheen sign, and some have Obama signs saved from the primary.

But Sununu and McCain are everywhere, as where the CD2 primary candidates.  Would someone tell Clegg to remove his signs?

I know I don't live in a population-rich area, but I am right on the cusp between the CT-river Howard Dean democrat to my west and the established Bradley-esque Lakes region Republicans to the east of me. A real swing zone. I'm in what should be Obama territory, given the trends, but right now it looks like GOP-ville in signage.

And apparently Obama and McCain are at parity in media buys in NH.  How come with such a huge financial advantage on our side?  These 4 EVs could make all the difference; they have before.


That is the beauty of a true grassroots organization... (4.00 / 1)
Everyone is empowered to lead the effort in their own area Dean. For years I have heard complaints about how paid staff ignored the grassroots organizations, so for the past year and a half we have trained, encouraged and empowered the locals to take the lead themselves.

Do we really need paid staff to find sign locations, put them up and monitor them or can we do it ourselves? I think we can! With votebuilder every local committee has all the tools at their disposal that they would need to be a highly effective operation. And with the ability to buy signs and other such supplies online - every local organization can have all they need without having to beg from the state or national office. One pie sale or passing of the hat should do it.

I have great faith in the power of the grassroots.


Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.


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For JohnnyB........ every thread needs a youtube! (4.00 / 1)


Feeling hopeful since 2004...

Cypress Hill (4.00 / 2)
the real hip hop

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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It's Olberman's line (0.00 / 0)
he keeps saying McCain in the membrane...

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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Plagarizer! (0.00 / 0)
Wow.... I thought you were so clever!

Since I don't get MSNBC anymore, I have no idea what Olberman's been saying.

Feeling hopeful since 2004...


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Every Four Years.... (4.00 / 6)
This is a problem every four years.  In 2004, I personally bought 1000 Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers off the internet because so many people were yelling at me about bumper stickers.  I thought one county chair was going to mug me when I made the mistake of saying I had a few hundred in my car.  One day I was talking to then Republican National Committeeman Tom Rath and said "my god, people are screaming at me for lawn signs" and he said, "me, too, it is always a problem."  

Anyway, we on the ground always want signs and bumper stickers, while the national campaign is trying to keep to a budget. Elwood, it isn't a sign of incompetence; it is a sign of a campaign that is keeping to its monthly line item. If you know anyone who is thinking of making a donation to the campaign, ask them to consider buying some signs and bumper stickers to give to the field office. My stepson just bought a few dozen bumper stickers to give to his buddies. He's in Massachusetts, and he knows that they aren't getting any campaign materials down there. Those Manchester materials just arrived; a little over a week ago they didn't have much of anything.    

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


You know, I fully expected to pay a couple of bucks (0.00 / 0)
for a bumper sticker when I went in. I've read that's often true for the national campaigns today though at the state level campaigns don't dare. But that wasn't an option - there were none available for free or for money.

Perhaps the national campaign is saying "We can't give these away" and the local organizations are saying "we must give these away" with nobody funding the printing at all?

I wouldn't object to a campaign announcing "We don't think bumper sticker or lawn signs work, so we won't use them."

But until a campaign says that, it had better figure out how to manage this basic function.


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Bumper Sticker (2.00 / 2)
You can have my re-elect Carter/Mondale bumper sticker from 1980 if you like.

Free Obama ! (0.00 / 0)
Free Obama buttons at this MoveOn linky
https://political.moveon.org/o...

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

Geez, and I thought *I* was cranky...;) (4.00 / 3)
They have a dearth of stuff over here in P'bro as well, I managed to score one pre-convention lawn sign last week but they were having problems keeping things in stock. No Obama/Biden signs around so far, I check in every so often. Have seen a few home-made signs in my neighborhood.

In 2004, I bought a 50-pack of Kerry/Edwards stickers (even though they weren't the best design), will probably do the same again here and share them with the local office.


Obama-Biden stuff. (0.00 / 0)
I've been for Obama since January, but I'll bet some Hillary people (who will vote for Obama but might not be too active at the moment) would rather have Obama-Biden gear (explicitly general election) than the regular stuff.  And it's on the site.

Stuff that includes Biden's name at the Obama store:

  • Lawn Sign
  • Rally Sign
  • Lapel Stickers (pack of 50)
  • Bumper Sticker
  • Bumper Magnet (100% removable)
  • T-shirt
  • Button


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Don't bet the store on that, Douglas n/t (0.00 / 0)


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Assuming you're talking about my reference to Hillary supporters, (0.00 / 0)
I know that very, very many, including you, are fully on board--I'm just trying to move merchandise.

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I figured that was you n/t (0.00 / 0)


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way more WE (4.00 / 2)
than me. Though I'm steady tookus pang up there in Manchganistan.

Bill Duncan and Steve Shurtleff are rock solid on the vet2vet front. I'm just a young buck, trying to keep up.

No Regrets!

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There's more to Manchester than Manchganistan. (0.00 / 0)
Time to get oriented with the voters of ManchVegas, Funchester, and Manche Carlo as well.

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Manchattan too ! (4.00 / 1)


Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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I knew I was forgetting one. (0.00 / 0)


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Elwood, when Obama says "this election is about you, not me" (0.00 / 0)
he doesn't mean you specifically.  Bumper stickers really do absolutely nothing for the campaign, so there's no reason you should care.  You know this already.

It's also important to remember that any billion-dollar company (which, lest we forget, is what this is) is going to have customer relations snafus.  A field office not having bumper stickers may not actually portend a terrible organization, regardless of whether you're ticked off enough to wish that it were.


I won't speak for elwood (0.00 / 0)
but for me, there's no real visible presence for Obama in my area, but there's plenty for McCain.

In an rural area I expect will go, albeit closely, to Obama, the perceptions game is important.  I wouldn't sympathize with this diary before Labor Day. But here we are under seven weeks to go.


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Adding: (4.00 / 1)
I've got more than one friend who asked for signs they could put up all over town on their own, and are patiently waiting.  They have the time and energy, but don't necessarily have the $ to go to the online store to buy signs.

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$8 for a sign (4.00 / 2)
I certainly understand that with the BushSununu economy some people may not have $8...about two gallons of gasoline...which is why I encourage locals to join together and buy in bulk. There are many people of means who will help out if they are asked.

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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Bulk buying. (4.00 / 1)
good idea. Thanks.

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WIckets (0.00 / 0)
Incidentally the Keene office has a ton of wickets, which are a lot of the expense. I imagine if someone ordered a bunch of signs they'd give you the wicket free.

Me, I still have my Dodd wicket. And my Edwards wicket.

sigh




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The campaign can't have it both ways. (4.00 / 1)
It can't say "bumper stickers really do absolutely nothing for the campaign" and yet pay to have them designed and distributed.

Yes I'm skeptical about their value, but I'm also skeptical about the value of other traditional campaign methods including most of the phone work.

"Half of what we do is a complete waster of time - but we don't know which half." I assume the case for bumper stickers and yard signs is two-fold: having them draws people into the campaign HQ, binding them more closely; and having people see them on more cars and lawns gives the candidate an appearance of momentum that can increase turnout.

If a campaign is going to use them, it should really try to get it right. I agree that running out of bumper stickers is no sign of a bad organization, and can happen in a well-run profitable company. But not knowing when you will have more? Not being able to say "Come back two weeks from now"? That's a different matter.


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Let's see if we can get some for the DL (4.00 / 1)
And distribute there. I know someone that commutes to Nashua, maybe they can bring some west.



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DL? (4.00 / 1)
I pass by the Nashua coordinated campaign office twice a day.  I would be happy to stop there and ask for signs/stickers/banners, etc... Then someone could meet me in New Boston or Manch or Bedford to pick them up to distribute them.

Let me know what you want.

Feeling hopeful since 2004...


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See my comment above. (0.00 / 0)
Nashua has yard signs, one per person.
No bumper stickers there either.

Feeling hopeful since 2004...

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I'm with Elwood (4.00 / 1)
I slelpt on this. I know all the modern theories about prioritizing spending, stickers will be snatched up by souvenir hunters, blah blah blah.

But if GreyMike had a bumper sticker, the campaign would have a rolling advertisement going down Route 93 every day. (You drive courteously, right Mike?)

Twelve offices in the state (at least), one of the few true swing states, $66 million raised in the last month. Deliver the damn stickers.


Buy the damn stickers (4.00 / 2)
Seriously - if you think this is critical right now, then get some people together and buy some stickers in bulk and pass them out. To quote Howard Dean, you have the power.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Did I say this was critical? (4.00 / 1)
It was a point of discussion.

Choosing to put a sticker on your car, or a sign on your lawn, is a form of donation. I don't think campaigns should charge for them. If you disagree, fine.



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Advertisers don't pay. (4.00 / 1)
You're right, Jim.

Though I can go on about all the reasons that Kathy is TOTALLY right about taking ownership of the campaign, there is some cognitive dissonance about buying a bumper sticker or a yard sign.

Seems like a small thing, but the idea just doesn't "compute" in the minds of most.

You want me to PAY to advertise for you?

Then again, Barack is asking us to advertise, not for him, but for a vision of America. Let's not forget, Barack has been called by the "fierce urgency of now." Come Nov. 5th, if McSame pulls it off, the Obama's can prosper. They will be sad, but their checkbook will be in the black.

Not so for me.

Buying some stickers to advertise for an America that will ensure that me, mine and those like us get a fair shake. Remember it is about us and we have to much to lose.

No Regrets!

www.KusterforCongress.com  


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You're right (0.00 / 0)
And so is Kathy. It's one of those arguable things. And again, not critical.

One of the disconnects for me is the difference between presidential campaigns and the lower-level campaigns (state rep / state senate / town office) I sometimes get involved in, which BEG people to take stickers or signs. It's the second question after "Will you make phone calls?"

As a Mass. voter, I expect to be told to go to hell, or at least online, if I want stuff. I don't expect to be catered to. But Elwood, a NH voter, making a special trip to the Keene office? (I think it was Keene.) He ought to get one.

Loved the Plouffe clip, by the way. Smart guy.



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Americans spend katrillions a year on logo merchandise (4.00 / 1)
Rock groups
sports teams
causes
designer clothing and items
etc...

Political stuff is the only like advertising we don't purchase.

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.


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Agreed - (0.00 / 0)
It's kind of silly to pay for an Abercrombie logo shirt but expect the bumper sticker for free.

I expected to pay, but there were none for love or money.  


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Well (0.00 / 0)
I agree that availability is the bigger issue, not payment. However, Abercrombie and others create demand for their product through advertising which its customers do not pay for. I suppose you could argue that they pay for it after the fact, but that would be specious in this context.

And besides, advertising can only go so far as an analogy. We're talking about an election, a public event, but with a secret ballot. People who stand up for the campaign are helping it, and therefore, in an ideal world, should not have to pay to do so.

But I'm not trying to be cheap, and in the end I agree with the "bigger priorities" argument. On to victory.



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Would be true if I went down 93, (0.00 / 0)
but alas, my daily commute is more westerly and actually takes me through an area of the boonies populated largely by Ron Paul fans bunkered in with rifle barrels poking out the loopholes. That big round "O" looks a lot like a target in a certain light...

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Winning Florida - $39.3 Million (4.00 / 1)
Barack's campaign manager David Plouffe presents a slideshow on the state of the race and the resources needed to win battleground states. Please make a donation at www.barackobama.com/strategy

Winning the White House - PRICELESS.

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just talking about this last night (0.00 / 0)
A friend of mine, a longtime Obama supporter, said that she and a lot of people she knew had been rebuffed when they were looking for lawn signs. I told her I had been too.

This is simply not acceptable in a state that relies so much on an all-politics-is-local approach. And it is not acceptable for a campaign that has raised so much money to be so poorly organized.

All I see is a forest of Republican signs, here in Concord, Hopkinton, Bow. If lawns are any guide, it looks like a landslide for the Republicans. This is a problem that must be fixed before low-information voters start thinking about voting.  It isn't helping my morale much, either.


It Is Acceptable (4.00 / 2)
Your friend and all the people she know who want signs should go to http://store.barackobama.com/  and order signs and bumper stickers.  If you disagree with the campaign's current budget priorities, this is one area that she and you can do something about. It is $8 for a sign. If there are people who can't afford it, then get some people to pool resources and buy some extras. But this is not a case of poor organization, it is a case of campaign budget priorities.  I'd rather have a voter persuasion radio ad campaign right now than a gotv visibility effort.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Thank you Kathy. (0.00 / 0)


Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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if this is the solution, then they should publlicize it (0.00 / 0)
I agree about budget priorities, but the campaign needs to do an email campaign providing the store link. God knows I get enough email from them already. It really is their fault if their supporters don't know how to get the signs. There should be a sea of signs out there.

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Does Obama's Campaign Have A Campaign Budget Online Somewhere? (0.00 / 0)


Clarification (0.00 / 0)
I was curious after the Florida figure in the video above.  

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Not that I know of (4.00 / 1)
That wouldn't seem prudent, imo. Plouffe was likely basing his fundraising appeal in a "real world" example.

'This is roughly the plan. This is how much it will cost to win Florida. We need your $$.'

Subtext: We know what we are doing. We got this far. Fork it over, then get back to work. Phonebank, data entry, canvass, ect. Thanks for the dough. Now quit navel gazing. I said MOVE!


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Ha (4.00 / 1)
I heard the same subtext.

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Adding (0.00 / 0)
The reassuring tone was part of the message. He was giving marching orders, yes, but he's clearly heard from the unquiet and overly caffeinated Democratic masses.

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In For A Penny, In For A Pound (0.00 / 0)
Ok....

I get that, I am not concerned for Obama. If his people keep on doing what they're doing, keep on working hard, he's going to win. It'll be close, but he's going to win. Worry will not change this.

That, I am not concerned with. What i'm concerned with is winning all the other races, and what i'm concerned about is that people are giving Obama money that he does not need while there are literally thousands of other candidates who do need it or could use it.

I'm not too concerned about that either, hard work solves everything, but knowing there's enough money out there and that the money is being used to win the election makes things easier.  


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