Even Tweety Won't Buy Donahue's Disunity Meme

Ha! (4.00 / 1)

Dean, when Matthews announced she was on last night I knew it was only a matter of time before you posted.  

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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by: Ray Buckley @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 21:51:58 PM CST

Funny thing is (0.00 / 0)

I would've missed it if it hadn't been for my daily Media Matters email.

Apparently we aren't the only ones who sit up and take notice at Donahue's remarks.

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 09:03:56 AM CST

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There are plenty of reasons I'm cautious about the idea of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State (0.00 / 0)

Partly because of the distraction of some people continuing to analyze everything in the context of tension between her and the President, and partly because I'm for Richardson.

To be cynical, one might suggest she'd try to be a power player within the administration to an inappropriate degree, or try to negotiate with the White House when she really shouldn't think of herself as being in a position to.  I'm not sure I share those concerns, but they make sense.

Does anybody really think Hillary Clinton, ambitious though she is, would intentionally and secretly undermine the President of the United States, of her own Party, in conversations with foreign leaders on his behalf?  I haven't been her biggest fan this year, but I would never dream of such an accusation.  I don't think there are too many leaders in this country who would be that recklessly selfish.  When did Donahue turn into Michele Bachmann?

It's nice to see someone from New Hampshire, with a New Hampshire perspective and New Hampshire sensibilities, asked their opinion by the national media.  I just wish Ms. Donahue fit into those categories.  Next time, I want to see Dean on Hardball.

One more thing: does anybody seriously think Clinton plans to challenge Obama for re-nomination in 2012?

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 22:21:21 PM CST

Hillary Clinton can't be (0.00 / 0)

Secretary of State because of Bill's foundation.

If she were named, I'd be very, very surprised.

I think Hillary would do best in the Senate, doing what it takes to get Obama's agenda through.

But Donahue has been bugging me since the primaries. She spins like a washing machine. I like a bit more objectivity in my "experts".

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 00:19:44 AM CST

It's getting to be time to write a letter to St. A's (4.00 / 6)

I'm sorry -- when it was the newspapers, you could say -- hey, maybe they pulled a bad quote. Not anymore.

This should be an embarrassment to St. A's, and institution which has prided itself with rising above the fray of fad, whim, and spin and finding the timeless substance underneath the flow of the transient.

There is not a single objective political analyst that buys that meme. It's pure partisan Repub talking points, fresh off the fax. Don't analyze -- sow dissension.

Having her on TV saying such nonsense with St. A's name attached to her is an embarassment. Or should be.

If Donahue wants to play that game, she should get a post at Liberty University, or put an app in at Politico, St. A's -- not so much.

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by: Mike Caulfield @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 01:41:34 AM CST

The notion is abrurd on its face (4.00 / 3)

The whole idea of Secretary of State is, for foreign leaders, the next best thing to meeting with the president. The SOS can speak on the president's behalf, arrives with whatever terms the president has set in hand, etc. The notion that any SOS woulc "undermine" the leader of the free world, and the source of his/her own power, makes no sense whatsoever.

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by: JimC @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 06:04:07 AM CST

Probably a bad idea to quote Machiavelli (4.00 / 2)

to Tweety. That's his turf: he cribbed from The Prince to write his (very good) book Hardball years ago.

Nonsense that he might otherwise let pass will get a bit more scrutiny when framed that way.

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by: elwood @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 06:12:45 AM CST

But dropping Italian Renaissance philosophers (4.00 / 1)

that even non-academics can understand as shorthand for realpolitik makes the teevee vibe sooooo supercool.

Apologies.  As a Classics teacher, I have an extra strong nose for intellectual puffery.

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 08:54:23 AM CST

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She's a nut (4.00 / 4)

I'm done with Donahue.  She basically said Hillary would commit treason.  Mike is right = I'm sending a letter to St. A's.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 06:16:32 AM CST

Hillary Clinton for SOS (4.00 / 1)

Sen. Hillary Clinton would be an incredible asset as Secretary of State in the Administration of President-elect Obama. She would be an incredible advocate for the United States of America in the world. If Obama offers and she accepts, the world will cheer the people he has working together with him in his Cabinet, to increase the chances of turning this ship of state around.

It would serve as an affirmation of the power of Democracy through the process of free elections, to move our people forward.

As much as I hammered her in the early stages of the Primary, I salute this choice as the best of the best. She's tough, she's brilliant, and if there was any question about her ability to 'get over it', the flat out out effort that she and Bill made doing a scazillion events during the GE, has erased any of those concerns. Unless of course you derive your income from sucking up to the sour grapes society.
Ms. Donahue, please go away.

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 08:28:41 AM CST

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Her schlep to Iran (0.00 / 0)

will be well received.

There seems to be sticking points around CGI. All that transparency talk gives some the willies.

I'm down with Madame Secretary. Next stop Tuzla!

Please? It's me. It's what I do.

www.KusterforCongress.com  

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 11:09:05 AM CST

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Haha ! (0.00 / 0)

Bill's Library Card is going to have to be stamped that's all.

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 14:14:58 PM CST

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Already done. (0.00 / 0)

US PATRIOT Act
Section 215: Access to records and other items under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

www.KusterforCongress.com  

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 14:42:14 PM CST

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not really Pal n/t (0.00 / 0)

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 16:25:13 PM CST

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In addition to the other points made here: (4.00 / 5)

The best thing for a Clinton, Richardson, or any other Secretary of State with further ambitions is a successful Obama Presidency. Biden will be too old in 2016. If the public rejects Obama in 2012 it won't be for another Democrat.

You could posit the most crass self-interested motives possible to Obama's cabinet. (I don't.) But they are not as stupid as Ms. Donahue. They know they rise with the President.

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by: elwood @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 06:24:39 AM CST

Keep in mind (4.00 / 2)

Keep in mind that the IOP established by a Judd
Gregg earmark.

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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by: Ray Buckley @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 07:28:38 AM CST

And also that she was once a Republican staffer. (0.00 / 0)

Re: the IOP, I think it's a darn shame.  Gregg or no Gregg, that place should be a ground zero for NH politics and the primary.  And I hope the money doesn't dry up if it doesn't turn out to be that way.

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 08:50:19 AM CST

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The all-important Bavarian caucuses (4.00 / 2)

Hillary will undoubtedly spend her time laying the groundwork for a 2012 race in Europe. The caucuses in Bavaria and the Flemish primary could be a real test for Obama.


America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. -Harry Truman

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by: Peter Sullivan @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 17:44:04 PM CST