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Blue Hampshire Meta: Your Feedback is Requested

by: Mike Hoefer

Sun Dec 28, 2008 at 16:08:56 PM EST
(Bumped. - promoted by Dean Barker)

Whether it is at work or at home the end of year is a natural time for reflection and planning. As Blue Hampshire finishes up its' second year of operation we thought it would be important to do some of that reflection and planning here as well.

In the comments section of this diary you will find four threads, please take a few minutes to comment on the following questions:

  1. What do you like most about Blue Hampshire? (Strengths)
  2. If you could change one thing about Blue Hampshire what would it be? (Weaknesses)
  3. What ideas do you have for Blue Hampshire in the year ahead (Opportunities)
  4. What could "move Blue Hampshire's Cheese"? (Threats)

Corporate types will recognize this as a thinly disguised "SWOT Analyisis".

Please feel free to comment briefly (one or two word responses are acceptable and encouraged)and openly (no sacred cows here).

You can "Ditto" or "Me Too" a comment by voting it up with the ranking tool.

It will be interesting to see what folks have to say, and we'll use this info to plot our course for the next two years.

Thanks in advance for your comments!

Update (Dean): Just want to say that this is a great idea from Mike, and that except for cracking a few jokes here and there, I'm going to make myself scarce from the thread so that y'all can feel more comfortable about saying whatever comes to mind, good, bad, and ugly.
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What do you like most about Blue Hampshire? (Strengths) (0.00 / 0)
Use this thread to share your thoughts on our strengths.

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Great, Smart, Cadre of 'Regulars' (4.00 / 3)
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Need more regulars n/t (0.00 / 0)

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What is special about NH (0.00 / 0)
I like having a place where we can discuss those things that make NH different from other states and what is good and not so good about them.  

We believe in prosperity & opportunity, strong communities, healthy families, great schools, investing in our future and leading the world by example. We are Democrats; we are the change you're looking for.
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Like most: Diversity of voices (0.00 / 0)
Regular group is small, but doggedly independent.
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The mix (0.00 / 0)
of punditry and activism. This crowd does more than talks a good game.  

Whack-a-mole, anyone?
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If you could change one thing about Blue Hampshire what would it be? (0.00 / 0)
You might consider this our weaknesses. Please let us know what you think.

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Technology (4.00 / 2)
As the resident geek I'm a bit concerned that SoapBlox will not/is not keeping up with new trends. See difficulty in posting YouTube embeds for example.

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Video embeds from other sites too (4.00 / 1)
MSNBC, Comedy Central, etc.

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Need to think about this n/t (0.00 / 0)

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Ideological diversity (4.00 / 5)
I like to think that the community would engage productively and warmly with a Republican or libertarian who came with data, logic, patience, and forthrightness to make his/her case. Not having that sort of engagement is a weakness.
[ Parent ]
It'd be nice to be able to edit/delete posts. (4.00 / 3)
I'm sure not a few people are concerned that despite the conversational nature of our threads, whatever is written here is permanent.  People should be able to write things on blogs casually without worrying about little jokes or colorful language winding up in press releases down the road.

Not to mention helpful with double posts, things accidentally posted before they were finished, afterthoughts, etc.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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Plus, the it already allows diaries to be edited and deleted, just not comments. (0.00 / 0)
Wish I could have put this in the post above as an edit...

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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regardless of the merits (0.00 / 0)
it's a bit strange that diaries can be edited/deleted but not comments

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[ Parent ]
Disagree (4.00 / 1)
I think it's appropriate. If you write a diary, you own it. If I comment on it, I am renting the space. Different roles, different rights.

People are pretty good about saying when they have updated a diary. I think it's an honor system that works.

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I disagree (0.00 / 0)

People should be able to write things on blogs casually without worrying about little jokes or colorful language winding up in press releases down the road.

If you can't live with it, don't blog it.

I sure would like to fix a typo or ten and there are times where afterthought makes my point more clear, but danger lurks if words can be changed. Consider the back and forths with Gnade. Sometimes the ideological crux is in a single word. Change one word and the whole thread changes.

These blogs are like transcripts. Live with your blog or don't blog.

I'm not saying that to you specifically, Doug.  

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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Too much "gotcha" quoting in politics. (0.00 / 0)
Even if no editing, people should be able to delete posts.  It's not right that what we often treat as casual conversation lasts forever in the public eye.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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Sunday pundit said, (0.00 / 0)
something like, 'Today, sits a future president, that now blogs and has a facebook account. Their entire public history will have tracks in the digital landscape. How will that future president deal with this inescapable fact?'

So, there may be only two choices: That future president either turns off and runs parallel to the digital world OR we the voters allow our future president to undergo a political maturation process.

I never did care about Obama's thesis. Relevant, how?

How will posts here haunt future political aspirations? Shouldn't the question be, why would they?

Stand by your blog.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

[ Parent ]
And if there's a generational shift? (0.00 / 0)
It's likely we'll have an election in which only one of the candidates has to deal with this.  And it will be a detriment.

Meanwhile, there are people who aren't getting jobs because people don't respect each other's privacy when it comes to Facebook, Myspace, etc., and are willing to take every little word out of context from a blog.

It's one thing to stand by what you say in a conversation.  It's another to stand behind every comment made in thousands of conversations from decades before.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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Transparency vs. Plausible Deniability (4.00 / 1)
Here is the rub. Transcripted words are harder to wiggle away from.

That makes politicos wary.

Like Hansel and Gretel, smart ones leave a trail of bread crumbs that work for them, not against them.

If one is true to themselves, it will work out.

Blog on!

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

[ Parent ]
If only that were realistic... (0.00 / 0)


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@DougLindner

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Why did Clinton lose, Doug? (0.00 / 0)
Because her yesterday didn't jive with her today.

She has a messy crumb trail.

We can over analyze this, but I would get bored.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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People change. Times change. (0.00 / 0)
And some things are appropriate in private or in casual conversation that should stay in private or in casual conversation.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
Blogs are casual, but certainly not private.

Do you think some folks mistake blogging for IMimg?  

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

[ Parent ]
I think nobody should need a press secretary to review their blog entries. (0.00 / 0)


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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

[ Parent ]
Indentured Blues (0.00 / 0)
That's a pun, yo.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?
[ Parent ]
Waylon Jennings -- (4.00 / 1)
"If it weren't for the rocks in its bed, the stream would have no song."

In our case, the rocks are in our heads. Blog on.

[ Parent ]
Also, does SoapBlox allow for Private Messages? (4.00 / 4)
Or even just a function that allows people to email others on the site from a form without the recipient having to post his/her email address publicly.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

[ Parent ]
Not that I can see. (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
weakness, policy analysis (4.00 / 5)
Hope comments from a relative newcomer are ok.  It would be interesting to me to see more detailed analysis of policy alternatives.  Environment, energy, taxes, whatever. Though there might not be a critical mass of experts here that would be needed for that.  Anyway, policy threads seem to peter out quickly, whereas political threads are thoroughly hashed out.  
[ Parent ]
a list of other members (4.00 / 1)
we can see diarists who post often, but its tough to find diaries from those who write less frequently.  

also, someone said they wanted more contributors.  speaking as a newcomer, i don't feel unwelcome, but i can't say anyone gave me a big hello.  maybe there's just no way to do that.

and while i'm in this section, the FAQ could use some beefing up.

but... i'm not complaining!

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Welcome! (0.00 / 0)
Love the suggestions.

And yes, one goal of mine is to get better search functionality up.  Now that we're two years on, we seriously need better access to archives that poking around tags and the custom Google search.

As for a directory, that's an interesting concept I hadn't heard of before.   Which is why this thread is such a good idea.

As for FAQ, blogroll, etc..., expect a redecorating sometime early in the new year.

birch, finch, beech

[ Parent ]
there it is! (0.00 / 0)
that's the sarah palin shout-out i was looking for ;-)
[ Parent ]
Welcome! Here's your big hello: (4.00 / 2)

Hello

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@DougLindner

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Some sort of user directory would be interesting. (4.00 / 2)
[ Parent ]
Mobile Site (0.00 / 0)
For those BlackBerry users out there, having a BlueHampshire mobile address with easier to read formats for PDA's would be nice. Dunno is SoapBlox offers that.

Example  http://www.m.youtube.com

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Things to change (4.00 / 2)
1) The Goggle search engine stinks. The original soapblox search had limits, but I'd gladly have it back.

2) We need more voices. (Not too many. Kos is nuts.) Maybe, just some of the old voices back? Where are the Muccis?


Whack-a-mole, anyone?

[ Parent ]
And mbair? n/t (4.00 / 2)

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Mild weakness (0.00 / 0)
I'm not a big fan of open threads started by non-admins (though I use them). I think open threads should be used sparingly. There's always a diary-worthy topic, and always someone with time.
[ Parent ]
Open Thread: "Looked Soused" Edition (4.00 / 1)
Daaaaaamn, Jim.

I like conversating on multiple venues.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

[ Parent ]
What ideas do you have for Blue Hampshire in the year ahead (Opportunities) (0.00 / 0)
A fun thread, let the creativity out!

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More Social Web Integration (4.00 / 2)
I think there are some opportunities to integrate microblogging, facebook, etc. to build out/enhance the community aspects of BH.

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Small town stuff (4.00 / 7)
There are a lot of small towns in NH, and my main political experience and interests lie in how we keep the towns going, since a huge amount of the work is done by volunteers.  The property tax hurts a lot at this level, and funding schools is a real bummer.   I would love to see more discussion about this level of government.

We believe in prosperity & opportunity, strong communities, healthy families, great schools, investing in our future and leading the world by example. We are Democrats; we are the change you're looking for.
[ Parent ]
great idea (0.00 / 0)
some towns/cities have forums or blogs where folks are discussing local issues. A place to links for those sites would be great.  

sanctimonious purist/professional lefty
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Policy analysis and development (4.00 / 5)
How can we decide what policies are best for:
  • Land use
  • Economic development
  • Criminal code and penal changes
  • Electoral law
  • And yes, tax policy

For example. Can our community develop "wisdom of the crowd" insights that change the debate?
[ Parent ]
wiki? (0.00 / 0)
might be a blue-hampshire wiki would be an interesting way to tackle some of that.
[ Parent ]
Wikis take a tremendous amount of people doing a lot of work to be successful (0.00 / 0)
The conversation-style blog thread model is better for this kind of thing at this scale, IMHO.

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@DougLindner

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not to get too far into this, but (4.00 / 2)
the bigger difference between wikis and threaded conversations is the nature of the information being presented, not the volume of contributors.  There are quite a number of very nice small-scale wikis, for example, at wikispaces.com.  I'm not suggesting reproducing wikipedia, but if you want to create a set of resources or plans or anything else more durable than a conversation, a wiki would be the better tool.
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Tempting (0.00 / 0)
I too have been tempted by a BH wiki at some points. I think it may have some merit.

I then think "well maybe we should just be publishing to Wikipedia?"

Then my head starts hurting

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BH wiki idea has merit (4.00 / 1)
b/c Wikipedia spends about 90% of it's time now arguing about notability reqs. The last thing I want to do is spend time explaining to some west coast mouth breather why Molly Kelly is notable.

(In general, wikipedia has gone downhill in this respect. An article about the neologism edupunk finally got the notability header taken off of it -- after the NYT named it one of the top new words of the year and Wired covered it. The article was put up just before the term was mentioned in The Chronicle (biggest educational journal in the states in May -- but the idiots that patrol that place had no idea of the status of the Chronicle so it was a conversation with a bunch of martinets...they are trailing behind printed media, and proud of it...)


[ Parent ]
Speak English, Mick (4.00 / 1)
Aren't you an outreach director of some sort?

I wonder if the Peter Principle is catching up to Wikipedia.


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Absolutely, a BH Wiki is Better Than Wikipedia (4.00 / 1)
Other than the reasons i've stated before and the ones stated above, we'd have some control over growing the content.

I've been contributing to the Daily Kos wiki for awhile now and it's disheartening to see it basically empty, but it's just as disheartening to see some 12 year old erase hours upon hours of work you put into something because they want to have a powertrip.

If BH decides to start up a wiki though, the key thing is clear policies that encourage people to add content, and if Dean decides not to be a benevolent dictator of the thing, we'd need clear cut and fair ways to settle disputes, because when anybody can change something, there is bound to be disputes.  

[ Parent ]
And (0.00 / 0)
We are policy experts because ... ?

I'm not against the notion, I just think we need some subject matter experts.

[ Parent ]
Farm team / bench advocacy (4.00 / 3)
I quote Dick Winters ad nauseum on New Hampshire's missing steppingstone offices and the resultant "winners from nowhere" (Mel Thomson, Gordon Humphrey, Bill Lynch, Carol Shea-Porter). Can we help create and maintain a second string?  
[ Parent ]
Argh. JOHN Lynch. (0.00 / 0)
Bill Lynch is a local Dem.
[ Parent ]
Those in the shadows (4.00 / 2)
There is so much focus on the candidates/elected officials.

I am fascinated by those that stand in the wings, blackberries buzzing. Bresler says, "I'll be here and you'll be gone." But who is out there now that is working their way up? They will live much of their life in politics, anonymously.

Note: I am reminded of the phase, "Don't become the story." The rabid message discipline this last cycle, censored those that had the front row seats. (Which may be the best way.)

Could we do staffer profiles? These creatures are fascinating!  

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

[ Parent ]
member-only diaries/threads? (0.00 / 0)
the sunshine law is terrific, but as anyone  who has worked in government knows, it is an intimidating environment for brainstorming.
[ Parent ]
Member meaning what, here? (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
An E-Mail List Maybe (0.00 / 0)
Just remember though that anything you say anywhere is on the record, some places it's just higher up on the record.  
[ Parent ]
Press Releases and Gadgets (0.00 / 0)
I'd like to see a box for press releases.

Many of Obama's goggle gadgets show promise.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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Ditto (0.00 / 0)
Ditto on the Press Release section that would be good to have.

BH can steal the one thing Politicker has going for it, commenting on press releases.

[ Parent ]
NHPR Exchange Twitter (0.00 / 0)
NHPR has been using twitter to announce the Exchange" topic of the day. I've thought it might be interesting to some how display on BH so we could represent when topics of interest are on.

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News Reader Integration (0.00 / 0)
Some sort of Integration with Google Reader... '"What BlueHampshire is reading" (Sorta like the PowerReader thing the have done with the Nat. Campaigns.)

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YouTubeChannel (4.00 / 4)
BlueHampshire YouTube "Channel", a place to share and save relevant clips to our state

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What could "Move our Cheese" (0.00 / 0)
What things threaten Blue Hampshire?

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$$$ (4.00 / 1)
Lack of revenue generation, means this is a labor of love. Which is all well and good as long as Dean loves running the place.

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Fundraiser, Awards etc (4.00 / 1)
For more revenue, having fundraisers, or looking to see if there are any blog awards out there on the internet that give awards of cash for innovations in the blogging world.
[ Parent ]
I'd pay a small dues (4.00 / 1)
There, I said it. I didn't want to, but I did.
[ Parent ]
Grants (0.00 / 0)
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Another form of "dues" (0.00 / 0)
An unwritten rule of one diary a week per user. Impossible to enforce, I know, but it would be lively.

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Facebook (0.00 / 0)
It does not seem to be a place for the deep conversations we have here but facebook will become more and more of a place for organization and thought sharing.

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Don't think Faceook is a threat (4.00 / 2)
Too goofy, too national.
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Perhaps not direct threat (0.00 / 0)
but I have been struck by the number of high profile NH Dems that have FB accts but are not online here, (at least by any recognizable name)

If we really consider ourselves a community I think we would be wise to at least learn some of the lessons of facebook.

Easy to update micro posts, status, etc.

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[ Parent ]
See above. (0.00 / 0)
I maintain more people would do this if they didn't have to fear every word being parsed for the rest of their lives.

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@DougLindner

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That doesnt make any sense... (0.00 / 0)

FB is as permanent as BH....

J

[ Parent ]
Not quite. (0.00 / 0)
You can delete anything you post on Facebook, which is what we're debating here.

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@DougLindner

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Yes quite, (0.00 / 0)

It is not a debate, I am guessing you just dont understand how the internet works.

You can delete it from FB....but that doesnt mean its gone. Once it is cached it is cached.

http://www.cit.cornell.edu/pol...

http://www.archive.org/index.php

J

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I do, in fact, have a decent understanding of how the internet works, and I'm aware of the archives and caches. (0.00 / 0)
But not every page of every site gets archived, and particularly not things that need log-ins to access.

Meanwhile, I do love being told I don't understand things because I refuse to oversimplify them.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

[ Parent ]
Give Dean a rest (4.00 / 2)
Dean should get at least one, and maybe two days a week where someone else is responsible for getting the lead diary on to the front page.
[ Parent ]
I'll take a week in Umbria, thank you. (4.00 / 2)
With stops in Lazio and Toscana, and maybe a weekend in Sicilia.

But seriously, I agree with this.  I bore myself all the time; I can't imagine what I do to you all. But a good blog is like a shark; it has to keep moving to stay alive.  Didn't Woody Allen or someone say that about relationships?

birch, finch, beech

[ Parent ]
Yes (0.00 / 0)
"I think what we have on our hands is a dead shark." -- Annie Hall

Woody trivia: What is Diane Keaton's real name?

Bonus if you get that one: What was the original title of Annie Hall?

PS. You don't bore me, Dean. I just think you deserve a break.

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and one more for miscellaneous (0.00 / 0)
If you have any other general feedback sorts of things that do not fit in the categories above please feel free to share them here!

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Candidates' forums (4.00 / 2)
Start at state rep level and work up.

(Or would it be fora, Dean?)

[ Parent ]
This is an "Opportunity" item (0.00 / 0)
Not to pick on you, just to help clarify the typical corporate model...
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Sic, fora. (0.00 / 0)
To be put next your stadia, auditoria, agendum, and datum pile, labelled Latin words that made it wholesale into English and look silly when made singular or plural. :-)

birch, finch, beech
[ Parent ]
So small terraria (4.00 / 1)
might contain just a faunum and a florum?
[ Parent ]
And those are just the silly neuter gender words. (4.00 / 1)
It gets even more ridiculous when you have unaltered Latin that is feminine or masculine:

alumnus -> alumni
alumna -> alumnae

and even more absurd when dipping into Greek:

Cyclops -> Cyclopes
basis, crisis -> bases, crises

and worst of all, Greek words that have altered slightly in English, but look Latin, causing smarty-pantses to put false Latin plurals onto them by accident:

octopus ("eight-footer") -> octopi, but octopuses (Anglicized), or octopodes (pluralized in Greek)

Oh, the terrors of old, dead, inflected words falling into our modern, barbarian tongues!

birch, finch, beech

[ Parent ]
George Will says stadia (4.00 / 1)
Futilely.
[ Parent ]
I have given up on media/medium n/t (4.00 / 3)


Republicans believe government is bad - then they get into office and prove it.
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I have nothing to say. n/t (0.00 / 0)

Tags! (0.00 / 0)
Do they work?

Are we selecting them effectively?

Are we taking advantage of the ones we have posted?

Are we taking the time to edit them helpfully?

Standardized name use conventions. (4.00 / 1)
In order to ensure the tags are consistent, there should be a guideline on how to list people's names.  Pick one of the following:

  • Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM)
  • Gov. Bill Richardson
  • Secretary Bill Richardson
  • Commerce Secretary Bill Richardson
  • Former Energy Secretary Bill Richardson
  • Former UN Ambassador Bill Richardson
  • William Blaine Richardson III
  • Hon. Bill Richardson
  • William Richardson
  • Governor Richardson
  • ...you get the point

Each of those semi-reasonable options produces a different tag.  We should standardize such that, for example, one uses the politician's name the way it's written on campaign literature and such, without honorifics, titles, suffixes, etc.  As in, it should be standard that the tag is "Bill Richardson" and not any of the alternatives above.

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The World Is More Nuanced Than 4s and 0s (0.00 / 0)
How about some 1s, 2s, and 3s for ratings?
Funny you should mention that. (4.00 / 2)
In the very first weeks the site had 0-4.

Those of us who had been on DailyKos - which used to have that too - warned of what tends to happen. Lots of 4s, some 0 TRs, and very few 1-3 ratings.

There was one poster on dKos who made a point of giving '3' ratings: really, a "B" grade for the comment. But they were so unusual that people would take offense. A "Karl Nyberg 3" was not just legitimate, it arguably showed more discrimination than just a 0 or 4 choice. But nobody else used them!

We really have 3 ratings: 0, 4, and none at all.

(This isn't to dismiss the idea of expanding them. Just to provide historical context.)

[ Parent ]
Not necessarily a 2 or a 3, but a 1 would be good. (4.00 / 1)
Some comments are pretty objectionable but don't quite cross the line of calling someone a troll.

As in, 4 = Excellent, 0 = Troll, and 1 = "Booooo".

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Hope 2012

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