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Pot and Death

by: susanthe

Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 15:28:14 PM EDT


I spent the day in Concord yesterday - attending 2 hearings. First, the hearing on HB648, the medical marijuana bill, and then HB556, the hearing on the repeal of the death penalty.

comments, after the jump

susanthe :: Pot and Death
The day began with medical marijuana. At least 100 people were in attendance. It went on for at least 3 hours, and Senator Kathleen Sgambati ran a good hearing.

The opposition to medical marijuana came from law enforcement, the state AG's office, and an angry guy named Steve Steiner. Assistant AG, Karin Eckels gave testimony that should have the state AG's office (and John Lynch for reappointing Kelly Ayotte) hanging their heads in shame. I was embarrassed for her. Her basic argument is that marijuana is illegal. When she ran out of ways to say that, she informed the committee that the 6 plants a patient would be allowed in the bill would produce between 6 -30 lbs. of marijuana. Outright snickering broke out in the gallery. She also said that she "thinks" the THC content varies in different plants. She seemed sure that there were over 400 chemical present in a joint. When asked how much money the state gets to fight marijuana use, she said she wasn't in a position to answer that. Counselor Eckels also announced that this was a stealth drug legalization bill, that anecdotal evidence is not science, that she is not a scientist (we could tell) and she wondered who will ensure that people do not over medicate?

After this astonishing testimony, Representative Robertson from Keene devoted some time to debunking her testimony, notably the overdose myth. "It upsets me that the Attorney General would send someone who doesn't understand that."

Rep. Steve Vallaincourt said, "I am surprised that the Attorney General would send someone to deliberately mislead you. One plant might yield 4 ounces - not 6 lbs." The Chair quipped, "Miracle Gro?" Everyone in the room burst out laughing.

There was also a great deal of heart wrenching testimony from folks who have chronic and terminal illnesses. Not a single doctor was there in  opposition, despite the continued droning of "it is an illegal drug, not a medicine" from the law enforcement crowd.

The committee seemed open to the testimony. Senator Gallus (committee member) is also a sponsor of the bill. I think Representative Jacqui Calli-Pitts summed it up for all of us, "If I had someone in my family who was suffering, I would do anything to help them."

I predict the committee will recommend that 648 ought to pass.

I will also (immodestly) add that my testimony made people cry.
After a short but lovely lunch with Rep. Susi Nord, Rep. Maureen Mann, and her husband Bob it was time for the death penalty.

This was an exceptionally well run hearing. Senator Deb Reynolds was kind and empathetic, and treated everyone with respect, regardless of their stance on the issue - while moving the repetitious right along. She was terrific.

Kelly Ayotte was surrounded by cops and members of the Briggs family. The primary concern of the law enforcement community seems to be that if the death penalty is repealed, they won't get to kill Michael Addison. The opposition to the bill came from Ayotte, a number of cops (mostly from Manchester), and Michael Brigg's mother.

Lieutenant Nick Willard of Manchester found this repeal a personal affront. He was clearly offended that anyone dared to disagree with him, and stated that this bill had not been thought out. His anger, and animus were truly remarkable. This guy came across as a loose cannon.

The message from Ayotte and law enforcement - we need this as a deterrent. A former police officer later pointed out that the deterrent wasn't working, since 6 police officers have been killed in the last decade.

It was hard not to want to cry right along with Officer Michael Brigg's mother. It was hard not to cry along with Bess Claussen Landis, who told the story of her mother being beaten, raped, and murdered while she was at school. It was hard not to cry along with Rep. Renny Cushing who told the story of his father's murder.

Arnie Alpert of the American Friend's Service Committee made some interesting points in his testimony, wondering if the "execution team" would be state employees, subject to collective bargaining? Will we be hiring executioners?

I fell in love with Retired Police Chief Raymond Dodge, who wanted to know why his life as a cop was worth more than his wife's life would have been, and pointed out all the work she did raising kids while he was off chasing bad guys.

The most gripping testimony of the afternoon came from Curtis McCarty, who spent 21 years in prison for murder, 16 of them on death row. He was exonerated in 2007 by DNA evidence. The room was completely silent as Curtis spoke - and he spoke with great respect for law enforcement, and a remarkable lack of bitterness. He also pointed out how painful this was for the family of the victim. They spent 21 years hating him and wishing him dead, only to find out that they'd hated the wrong guy. So much for the healing and closure the death penalty is supposed to provide.

I predict the Senate is going to run from this as fast as their cowardly little legs will carry them.  

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Ordering someone to kill someone else has to be the height of (4.00 / 1)
cowardice.  If the Governor wants to execute someone, let him do it himself.

If we all did a little more soul searching. (0.00 / 0)
I was there as noted. If life were a logic class, this testimony would start, and I think finish, with only one of the arguments presented. If it were the case that there was anything in the deterrence argument, the rest of the stuff including the emotional soul searching, and imagined affronts would be irrelevant. If there were evidence that Addison, or any other criminal considered the "cost benefit analysis" referred to by the Manchester chief of police, doubtless many would give sway to the argument that it in however small a fashion protects law enforcement and prison officers. But you know, the only statements on this subject sounded to me like the police officers making those assertions were claiming that their mental processes are just the same as the criminal's thought processes. I don't believe it and I bet no one else does either. For one thing, that is why there is all this training of both police and military personnel, so that when shots ring out, they do the stuff that protects them and us and is thought best to thwart criminals. There is little or no thinking possible. Just huge quantities of adrenalin, pent up rage, fear - lizard brain stuff.

The only rational argument here I don't actually believe either. It was suggested by a person in favor of the repeal, that some inmates might use the death penalty to get law enforcement or prison officials to kill them if they were unable or disinclined to do it themselves.

Then there was the death row inmate testimony. I couldn't stand to listen to it. Some seem to feel that you are not responsible for the stuff your government does if you weren't involved or voted against the people who did it etc. This is a very fundamental democratic dishonesty. This is our government - mine, yours, ours. The only way one can conceive of our being able to continue it is to take to heart the good things, the bad things and the truly horrendous things. Though I am prochoice, I suffer as do all thoughtful people from the results. That is why the "rare" argument is so telling. The same argument applies to those drones flying over Afghanistan blowing up what might occasionally be wedding parties and killing kids. Splattering the heads of those pirates all over the ocean and on and on. That is not you, or me, that is us and it is the price of being in a democracy that sometimes we do things which each of us may hate with all our being and can only hope are REALLY necessary as opposed to just convenient. Can you imagine what you would think if someone flew over your house and dropped a bomb on it? Bad idea Huh? The idea of someone sitting on death row for 16 years - we might have actually killed this guy. I am actually shocked that he is not out trying to kill the people who subjected him to this. We are his countrymates. With loves like he has, with hates like he has, trusting in our neighbors like we do that they won't kill him based upon faulty evidence. I wish I thought this was the only guy. We have no way to know as there is great motivation not to reexamine the executions which we have already perpetrated.

The one other specious argument was that repealing the death penalty is some kind of affront to law enforcement. This is the same kind of thing that was said about spitting on military personnel coming back from Vietnam, didn't happen, wouldn't happen, never not one incident has ever been proven. Every single person in the country is grateful for these people doing what mostly the rest of us wouldn't be able to do for ourselves. Even if sent somewhere for completely wrong reasons, they were sent. Pummel the people making the decisions but not those carrying out the orders in just about all circumstances. That Nuremburg stuff was a little confusing because the people claiming to be following orders were in fact making those decisions not just following them. Here it is much clearer. Society makes the rules - not the military, not the police, through their elected representatives. There is no face slapping occurring except possibly in the minds of folks who don't understand from whence the power comes. I'm still sorry if you feel that way but it is your feeling not mine.


I saw (4.00 / 1)
the spitting on of returning Vietnam Veterans in S.F. airport in 1970. It was a shock. I was on my merry way, but all I could think of was that these sad sacks with the 24 hour stares were no different from anyone in my family who might have served in the armed forces. They were just doing their duty. It happened.

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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Everyone says that they were there. Memories distort. (0.00 / 1)
http://message.snopes.com/show... The only instances were between pro and anti war forces. Not soldiers. Not once. Send them your "proof" this has been gone over too many times. It's a load.

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I was not at Woodstock n/t (4.00 / 1)


"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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That was 39 years ago. (0.00 / 0)
You didn't see antiwar protestors spitting on American soldiers either. If you did or think you did send in your proof or get over it. Thousands of hours have been spent trying to find one single example. Never happened. Jane Fonda didn't turn a message over to the NVC given by an American soldier either. Just more fantasy.

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40 n/t (4.00 / 1)


"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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"send in your proof" (4.00 / 4)
This is very odd.

We are supposed to collect evidence of our personal experiences in case anonymous bloggers decades in the future demand it to validate our own memory?

Very odd.  


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Shifted to the left for easy reading. (0.00 / 1)
Unaware? Now that is insulting. One of my favotite things about having to write stuff down is that you get a chance to look at it before pressing the post button. It can, does and should follow you around. So what we are talking about here is a standard of proof which I think most support. If you are going to say particularly horrible things about situations, occurrences, motivations etc. particularly if they effect your reputation or that of others, the standard is higher than if you are out having a beer with the boyos. It is always possible that the world is flat. I haven't been out there is space where I can be sure both of my competance and the reliability of my senses. So I try to find people, preferably a large group with training and experience and when they tell me that they have positive knowledge of this condition I stake my reputation on their judgement. A great current example is global warming. Don't tell me that you have no doubt. You can't know either. Nature doesn't publish big signs. Scientists, or what passed as them at one time, did think a whole bunch of stuff that was absolutely positively wrong.
Back to this fluff. There are things about which I am absolutely sure that I have found are mostly memories of pictures taken by my parents. By alluding to them etc. they have passed over into my memory as real events. They weren't.
I assert that because of all the effort spent by many trying to support this horrible allegation or disprove it that the information is false no matter who says it. Lying be damned. This is a horrible thing to say about the American populace and as much as I dislike many here, it just doesn't fit in with what I know about Americans. Spitting on anyone (by anyone over the age of five) is beyond the pale and unlikely in the extreme because the usual reaction is to regard the spitter with horror.
So you see, I'm left with this, in my mind, ultimate insult, and no refutation whatsoever. Yes, the standard is way higher than Dean or you want to admit and I will do anything I can to keep it there. We just can't allow this level of baseless, crass, reprehensible comment come to represent what we think of humanity. The lies and smear of the right depend upon it and you can count on my attempting to destroy any of us that try it and I expect the same from you, amelioration not withstanding.
This is their tactic, not ours. They attempt to use the uncertainty of science and history to make it seem that the truth is what they would prefer. It isn't. Just look at the global warming, cigarette smoke, tax cut results and on and on. We do know some things. We are pretty sure of others. The preponderance of evidence must be accepted or the evil of the stupid, dishonest or lazy will obtain.
Let's see as much proof or surrounding circumstances as possible. I don't know JBB and probably don't want to. Don't know you either. I'll put some stuff in the pot though. If JBB is 45, then he/she was 6 in 1970. Your turn.

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My, My (0.00 / 0)
aren't we enlightened.

Folks, please say hi to Fergus' inspiration when constructing a liberal effigy.

www.KusterforCongress.com  


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Sorry, I don't get it, but hi anyway. (0.00 / 0)
For what are you checking your pockets this time? Proof? Lot's of blarney but still no spitting.

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No insult intended (0.00 / 0)
He's 57. 18 in 1970.

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Thank you for this (4.00 / 3)
first-hand account.

Invaluable.


I forgot to mention (4.00 / 2)
there were BlueHamsters everywhere. :)

Where cuts are necessary, (0.00 / 0)
Cut unnecessary expenditures on criminals.

The death penalty is too expensive when life imprisonment is available just as permanent.

Stop putting people in jail for using marijuana.  Medical is a good start, but as the legislature voted not to do last year, we need to de-escalate the war on that particular substance in general.  It's unfair to put people in jail for something that, like it or not, society has come to accept as not all that big a deal.  Particularly given that prosecuting and imprisoning people is very expensive, and New Hampshire's education system has been in a funding crisis since the earth cooled.


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