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First they came for the college students....

by: susanthe

Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 22:59:04 PM EST


Two bills on voter registration and eligibility will be heard on Thursday, the 24th, in Rep's hall. Both of these bills could have a serious impact on how we register, how we vote - and above all, who gets to vote, in the state of NH.

HB 223 AN ACT eliminating election day voter registration
will be  heard at 1:00 pm.

HB 176, AN ACT relative to eligibility to vote will be heard at 2:00 pm.  

susanthe :: First they came for the college students....
HB 223 eliminates same day voter registration in NH. The language of the bill seems to indicate that registering voters is a lesser concern than ensuring proper ID, residence, and proper behavior on the part of election officials. Same day voter registration was enacted because NH did not want to comply with "motor voter" laws. This bill seems to be trying to ensure that there is no same day registration, AND, that only election officials can register voters.

This is so weirdly written that I may be reaching the wrong conclusions - so please take a look at it and give your opinions.

HB 176 is more clear cut. This bill is aimed at restricting the voting rights of  college students and members of the military. The Republicans have long wanted to curtail college voting. The rationale being that college students are more likely to support liberal candidates. The GOP could have tried organizing on campuses, and attempted to win over college students. Instead, they went right for the heavy hand: attempting to deny them the right to vote in NH. (Pssst: Republicans? This isn't going to make your party more attractive to students)

An inhabitant's domicile for voting purposes shall be the most recent place where he or she as an adult or where his or her parents or legal guardians with whom he or she resided as a minor established a physical presence manifesting an intention to maintain that place as his, her, or their principal and continuous place of physical presence for domestic, social, and civic purposes.

AND

No person who prior to matriculation at any institution of learning in this state, and no person employed in the service of the United States who prior to being stationed in this state, had been domiciled in another place shall lose or change that domicile by reason of his or her presence in this state, but shall be presumed to have departed from such other place for a temporary purpose with the intention of returning.

Apparently it doesn't matter if you're here for years - if you lived somewhere else first, you're planning to go back.

Republicans have been trying for years to manufacture voter fraud in NH. They all talk about "widespread voter fraud" as if it actually exists. According to our Secretary of State, voter fraud is not a problem in NH. The results of the 2008 investigation into same day registrants with no ID turned up not a single incident of voter fraud. The GOP complaint is always something to the effect of: "busloads of people from Massachusetts coming up here to vote." Not according to Secretary of State William Gardner, or his investigators. They should know.

From the Speaker of the NH House:

 college students registering to vote on Election Day "are basically doing what I did when I was a kid and foolish, voting as a liberal."

I've said it before: When Republicans win, it's because they have a mandate. When Democrats win, it's because of voter fraud. Just ask a Republican.

We cannot allow Republicans to set up discriminatory categories of groups who aren't allowed to vote.

Both of this bills will be heard by the House Election Law Committee, chaired by Rep. David Bates.

We need to have a strong, visible presence at these hearings, especially for HB 176. Please join us at the State House - this is incredibly important.  

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The object is to reduce the electorate. If universal suffrage (4.00 / 5)
can't be repealed, then the next best thing is to peel off one group after another.

On the other hand, these constant attacks on voters send the message that voting is important and counteracts the effort to suggest otherwise.  People do value what they might lose more than what they have.


HB 223 appears to do two things: (4.00 / 1)
1. It eliminates the same day voter registration process. It would allow voter registration only at town offices. If you don't register 10 days before the election, you can't vote. (The deadline is moved up to 7 days in the case of a holiday).

2. It changes the "where you live" requirement. Current law defines "domicile" as:  

A domicile is that place, more than any other, where I sleep most nights of the year, or to which I intend to return after a temporary absence.

Sorg's bill would change that to:

A domicile for voting purposes is the most recent place where I as an adult or where my parents or legal guardians with whom I resided as a minor established a physical presence manifesting an intention to maintain that place as my and/or their principal and continuous place of physical presence for domestic, social, and civic purposes.

IIRC, this bill restores the registration process and requirements to where they stood some 20 years ago.

(You can't do that under federal law, but the Tea Party Tribunal doesn't tend to recognize federal law.)


HB 223 would move NH to Motor Voter (4.00 / 6)
Actually, if NH dropped same-day registration, it would have to operate under Motor Voter. Among other things, Motor Voter requires the DMV to offer everyone who applies for a license or non-driver ID an opportunity to register to vote.  Most social service agencies have to do the same for all of their clients. This would require new computer programming and training for all of those employees.

Motor Voter also mandates mail-in registration and it allows groups to sign up voters at registration sessions.  While Acorn has gotten publicity, groups like the League of Women Voters, America Votes, PTAs, student groups, etc., can all do their own voter registration drives.

There are many other provisions. It does require a great deal of expense to set up a whole new government program and train so many government workers to register voters.

In fact, many states are now looking at NH's same-day registration because it is cheaper, easier and more efficient.

Also, laws on domicile for voting purposes cannot specify an intent to remain in any place.


[ Parent ]
Yes, but-but-but.... (4.00 / 1)

these are merely rational and reasonable objections.
How can they possibly stand up to someone screaming Fraud! Fraud! Fraud! at the top of their lungs?

[ Parent ]
Do You Suppose? (0.00 / 0)
Could the goal of the
"Take Back My Country GOPer/Cons"
cry mean

ONLY WHITE..MALE..LANDOWNERS get to vote?????


I think that's the goal (4.00 / 1)
tchair.  After all, these are folks who strode around in tri-corner hats and silly uniforms. The Teagressives appear to be in favor of repealing the last 2 centuries.

Theodoric of York will be showing up with leeches to heal you, any day now.  


[ Parent ]
bring out your dead n/t (0.00 / 0)


A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

[ Parent ]
Please turn out for the hearing on the Student Vote (4.00 / 5)
It will be in the Representatives Hall on Thursday afternoon. The lesson we can and should learn from Cairo and Madison is that democracy is only safe when people show up to protect it.

HB 176 sets different tests for students and federal workers than for all other voters and is thus unfair and unconstitutional. It has nothing to do with illusionary fantasies of voter fraud and everything to do with creating obstacles to prevent people who vote ' the wrong way' from doing so. It is thus part and parcel of the same effort as the union busting in Wisconsin and our response should be the same.

The word at the state house is that the bill eliminating same day registration is DOA because of the massive costs in both financial and political terms that would be entailed by a requirement to implement motor voter as required by federal law when a state abandons same day registration.

(On a slightly different note, the House Elections Committee voted to retain the bill to require a photo ID, in part because of the testimony in opposition of the Libertarian caucus in the House. We should applaud them when they stand up for voters rights and we should seek out other areas of common ground, such as marriage equality, where a coalition of the left and libertarian can either defeat a bill or suffice to uphold a veto.)

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


Lobby Day & other activities prior (4.00 / 1)
A lobby day and a few other activities will start prior to the hearing tomorrow, and the more the merrier. If you can make it, there's a broad coalition that would love to have you. Link below to rsvp or submit written testimony if you can't make it to Concord.

http://granitestateprogress.pnstate.org/site/Calendar?id=100401&view=Detail

little camera girl

Zandra Rice Hawkins (Granite State Progress)


[ Parent ]
First they left (4.00 / 1)
Question, not directed at susanthe, but this widespread meme in use today, even by Paul Krugman in the New York Times.

Why isn't the meme recognized as a Godwinism? The source quote refers, quite literally, to National Socialists in Germany,


then they came for the Nazis...with apologies to Doug (4.00 / 1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion-regardless of topic or scope- someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.

Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[5] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.



A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

[ Parent ]
This reminds me of a West Wing episode. (4.00 / 1)
Sam wants to write a line in a speech about a "permanent revolution" in education, and Toby nixes it because "permanent revolution" is a phrase associated with communists.

I'm with Sam on this. We shouldn't have to blacklist versatile pithy phrases just because they've been used by or about a despot.

--
Hope > Anarch-tea
Twitter: @DougLindner


[ Parent ]
it would be great (0.00 / 0)
if that were another thread, instead of distracting from the actual topic here - of attempted GOP voter suppression.



[ Parent ]
after "ONLY WHITE..MALE..LANDOWNERS get to vote?????" (1.33 / 3)
You ask how can one highjack a hyperbolic thread...all bets off on consistency except with your hatred of men...thank god only half are sociopaths...

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

[ Parent ]
actually (4.00 / 1)
the joke about landowners voting was on topic - seein' as how the topic is voting.

I asked politely. These bills have potentially serious ramifications on how we conduct voting in our state. I'm deeply concerned about that, and I'm urging as many folks to attend that hearing tomorrow as possible. I don't think you and Jim were deliberately trying to divert the topic. Diversion happens. That's why I very politely suggested taking the Godwin discussion to another thread.

Your response reveals (once again) a complete lack of impulse control - the same lack that landed you on the front pages in January, accused of threatening a legislator.

It also reveals a lack of respect for the forum here at Blue Hampshire, not only for the editors, but for the many people who read and post at this forum.

 


[ Parent ]
yadda yadda yadda (0.00 / 1)
your always angry shut I'm driving the station wagon approach is what the lack of respect is about...what happened to the rational sheriff?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

[ Parent ]
thank you n/t (0.00 / 0)


A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

[ Parent ]
My example (4.00 / 2)
After I left my home in northwest Indiana for the southern part of the state to enroll at Indiana University, I ended up staying for about seven years, part of that time I lived abroad.  According to the domicile rules in this bill, for that entire 7 years my "domicile" was my hometown in northwest Indiana. I can tell you that I did not keep up on the news and local issues of my old hometown. However, at my college I knew the city Mayor, was active in local politics and served on a local board.  Since I lived there I actually knew what was going on  -- surprise!

After graduation from IU I enrolled in a graduate program out East.  There I stayed for another 7 years.  According to this bill, I was still domiciled at my parent's home in northwest Indiana for the entire 7 years of my grad school enrollment.
In the world of our HOUSE GOP, only after 14 years would I get the opportunity to vote in the community in which I live!

I AM STUNNED --AM I READING THIS BILL CORRECTLY?!

Just think if I had worked in a hitch in the Army!

whp


I know of a state rep... (0.00 / 0)
I know of one state rep who moved to her current home 30 years ago when she was still a grad student.  She would have been disenfranchised the whole time.


[ Parent ]
that's a great illustration (0.00 / 0)
of what this bill means!  Thank you whp.  

[ Parent ]
A little hypocrisy in play...? (4.00 / 5)
On one hand the Speaker wants to disenfranchise College students attending school in NH yet on the other hand his son gets a free pass. Coupled with a glib and condescending remark about being foolish, he treats the voters as a bunch of dummies.
Check out the Maine College Republicans...his son Brendan is the Chairman. Note what he says in the website welcoming remarks:

Welcome to the Maine College Republicans' website!

I am honored to lead an organization of over 5,000 members from Fort Kent to Wells committed to promoting conservative values on our college campuses and delivering Republican victories in Maine in the months and years to come.

Our organization has become the national standard for promoting conservative values on college campuses and leading grassroots activism on behalf of local, state and national Republican candidate.

Maine College Republicans' grassroots activism, whether it was playing the crucial role in collecting nominating petitions to ensure Maine a Republican Second Congressional District candidate, or an unprecedented level of grassroots efforts on behalf of Republican candidates from across the Pine Tree State during the 2006 election cycle, has sent a clear message that our organization is committed to building and strengthening the Republican Party in Maine.

If you are considering joining the Maine College Republicans, I encourage you to browse this site thoroughly. Within this site you will learn of the many accomplishments of Maine College Republicans, and exciting events planned for the coming weeks.

From participating in trips to political conferences and conventions, to hosting prominent conservative speakers, and delivering the margin of victory for Republican candidates at the local, state and national levels, you will discover being a member of the Maine College Republicans is a very rewarding experience.

Thank you again for your interest in the Maine College Republicans. If you are interested in joining our team, please contact your chapter chairman. Please feel free to contact me or any other members of the Executive Board with any questions or comments you may have.

Brendan O'Brien
Chairman, Maine College Republicans
Explain this Mr. Grand Poobah Speaker - how is it okay for your son to be a college political activist yet other out-of-state students should be barred from the same activity?   Is it because you are so smarter than your constituents or because he supports Republicans?    More importantly, who gives you the right to bar ay American from voting or participating in the process?



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