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9 Comments: "The Pledge"

by: elwood

Wed Oct 12, 2011 at 06:36:52 AM EDT


  1. New Hampshire has a "structural deficit." Our revenue sources grow more slowly than our social needs - needs ranging from roads to schools to health and safety.
  2. This despite having one of the very cheapest state budgets in the nation - ranking about 47th in per-capita spending. Any politician who says "we have a spending problem" is a liar who can't add.
  3. This structural deficit keeps jacking up local budgets and property taxes. The property tax is a terrible, awful way to fund government. It drives people out of their homes. It builds great schools where some fluke development (e.g. a power plant) gets built - not where the kids and parents need them. It's regressive - someone making ten times the average wage-earner doesn't have a house that costs ten times more. It skews every decision about community growth. Just awful. But...
  4. The state 2012 election is set to be a referendum on the extreme, hate-filled right-wing agenda of Bill O'Brien and his henchmen, including the Free State carpetbaggers. They are heading for a thorough rejection by the voters.
  5. Not taking "the Pledge" will (in my estimation) suck all the atmosphere out of the campaign. It will no longer be about purging the crazies: it will be transformed into a simpleminded "new tax / no tax" choice.
  6. Yes - everyone in the state news media should be ashamed of that.  We know better. But that's the story that would dominate the campaign - and  we don't know how to fix it in the next twelve months. And the predictable result would be a new Republican governor and majority. So where does that leave us?
  7. Here's where it leaves me. I will support a Democratic candidate who takes a two-year pledge, with no pledge for a second-term. "If you elect me, my first term will be all about getting a complete picture of New Hampshire's challenges, opportunities and choices. I'll be talking with your city councilors and school board members - and you - about the effect our choices in Concord have on your cities and towns. I'll be looking for any areas where we can cut spending - but after generations of pinching pennies already, and a state education system that needs help, don't count too heavily on help there. That review is going to take a full two years. I will veto any broad-based tax in my first term, then I'll come back and share our assessment and ideas next time around.  So - elect the best people you can this year for the House and Senate - a broad-based tax is off the table."
  8. Is that "kicking the can down the road?"  It feels like that, no question.  But bringing New Hampshire's resources and needs into balance is going to take a complete shift in the public perspective on our choices - not a single heroic figure.
  9. And after that first two-year term: the Democratic Governor must face the revenue challenge head-on.  S/he will have the credentials and the bully pulpit - and the information and data. If s/he papers over  the revenue challenge, taking a second pledge without providing an alternative revenue and budget model that meets our needs - I will work for a primary opponent.
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What's another (0.00 / 0)
two years in the life of a school child?  In the life-cycle of a road?  I hear you, Elwood, but at this point I am sick of the BS.  At this point you are asking those who are willing to run for the legislature to take on trying to fund the state's needs for another two years with inadequate revenue, and a state that has suffered much more economic damage from this legislature, in the hopes that some time in the future they won't be asked to perform miracles.

I'm not sure why a tax on real property is not (0.00 / 0)
broad-based.  After all, all land is owned by somebody.  What seems to be skewed is how the share of public services is to be allocated to property and how its taxable value is assessed.  Why the value of income-producing property, whether from rents or the production of agricultural or manufactured goods should fluctuate with business success (failure is rewarded with a lower tax obligation) escapes me.  If anything, commercial properties, like agricultural lands, that aren't well managed for a sustainable return are a net community drain.  So, abandoned properties should either be returned to the public ledger or charged a higher rate of taxation.
That said, on the national level we need to take control of our currency back from the banks.  They have proved poor stewards of our money.  Which is why the message to Wall Street should be

"Let Our Money Go."


Well lets try (4.00 / 1)
"I'm not sure why a tax on real property is not
broad-based.  After all, all land is owned by somebody"

true--all land is owned---but some owners are rich and some owners are poor----if you demand all property be productive some old barns will become trailer parks.....WHAT DO YOU TELL A 70 YEAR OLD LIVING IN A HOUSE THAT USED TO BE VALUED AT 20k IS NOW 300 K-------PROPERTY TAX IS TAXING A CAPITAL GAIN THAT HAS NOT BE REALIZED

THE NH ADVANTAGE IS WE HAVE THE MOST REGRESSIVE TAXES IN THE NORTH EAST----WE ARE A GREAT STATE TO BE WEALTHY-----BUT IT REALLY BITES IF YOU ARE NOT


I appreciate your thoughtful post, elwood, (0.00 / 0)
and understand your sentiments.

#7 is simply not tenable.  There is nothing left to pinch - the budget is a mess and the next governor, red, blue, or magnolia, is going to inherit a significant problem.  There will be no second term for any leader who does not propose real world solutions to the structural problems you so aptly identify.

Joe

In the immediate aftermath of Since the start of the financial crisis, the Fed/Treasury lent, spent, or guaranteed $28 $29 trillion to save the banking system.


Pledge may hurt, not help (4.00 / 2)
Your premise is unproven - and unprovable unless put to the test in this campaign.  Unlike you, I think that a candidate who is candid about the issues, as you are in a superficial way in your first three paragraphs, is likely to be labelled spineless and a hypocrite if he/she then takes a 2- year pledge such as that which you advocate.  Because of the O'Brien excesses, particularly those that have shredded the social safety net, Democrats have a great chance to come roaring back in 2012. Much has happened since 2002.  We don't need a candidate who campaigns for a broad-based income tax.  We just need a candidate who says "The only pledge that I will make is to work hard on the issues in front of us ... " and then goes on to explain, explore and offer ways of approaching and resolving those issues."  

That's me - "candid in a superficial way" n/t (0.00 / 0)


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I largely agree. (4.00 / 1)
I predict  in the next two years there will be neither the state house/senate votes, nor the needed statewide conversation, nor non-fragile economic conditions to address fundamental revenue reform.  But the conversation can happen in that time.

Where I differ is I believe whatever the candidate pledges or doesn't pledge, she or he will be labeled a pro-income taxing demon by the UL and the GOP, etc...  So I'd just prefer, and think it electorally better, to just drop the pledge once and for all.


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Hate-filled right? (0.00 / 0)
You called them "henchmen" and "carpetbaggers".

I don't think I have anything to add to your analysis, except that I dislike the hate-filled left just as much as I dislike the hate-filled right.

It just feels silly to be reading about carpetbaggers in the middle of a supposedly serious discussion of Democratic strategy.

And I probably won't reply to responses to this comment, because I don't want to be dragged into an argument where I inevitably end up with a lot of zero ratings.

Be fiscally responsible: nhecon.blogspot.com


Greedy thugs who move into communities (4.00 / 3)
to take over political institutions ALWAYS resent being called carpetbaggers. The Free State Movement is the purest example of such unprincipled self-promotion since the Civil War.

Calling you out on that is not a matter of hate. But false equivalence is a favorite tool of the propagandist.

Such a shame that you will only do a drive-by as apologist for the mob trying to buy my state.


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Better to be an apologist for the Free State Project, than an apologist for hate. (0.00 / 0)
I have no intention of being part of a hate group, whether it bills itself as progressive, conservative, or libertarian.

I have brought this issue up many times. Unfortunately, some Blue Hampshire posters have resolved to be hateful, and the rest of the BH community either will not or cannot censor these posters.

I will be removing my account accordingly.

Be fiscally responsible: nhecon.blogspot.com


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Very good. (4.00 / 2)
The Free State Project has joined in the effort to eliminate marriage equality in New Hampshire. Rep. Cohn is sponsor of a bill to do that.

THAT is a hate group, by my lights.

Calling that hate group, a hate group, is not an act of hate - it is simply committing truth.

You are not being driven from the site - but the site has declined to enforce your dishonest speech rules.


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Yeah, sure. (0.00 / 0)
Please deactivate my account.

Be fiscally responsible: nhecon.blogspot.com

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Your account gets "deactivated" when you (0.00 / 0)
just plain SHUT UP, ErrinF.

Nobody else posts under your name, if you haven't shared your password.


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Then ban me. n/t (0.00 / 0)


Be fiscally responsible: nhecon.blogspot.com

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Or (0.00 / 0)
will you make me go ErrinF on you? :-P

Be fiscally responsible: nhecon.blogspot.com

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I enjoy reading the thoughts of will may, and would regret him not being on the site. (4.00 / 1)

So, please breath deeply for a few moments, everyone!

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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Thanks. n/t (0.00 / 0)


Be fiscally responsible: nhecon.blogspot.com

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Losing the pledge (0.00 / 0)
Six years, minimum. Here's one path:

1. John Lynch gives a speech decrying the pledge (but doesn't break it). "Why are we living under the ghost of Meldrim?"

2. Next Dem. candidate takes the pledge, but makes a point of talking it up. "Why am I forced to take a pledge? Will my opponent pledge to support our kids?" or whatever.

3. Next Dem. governor makes speech denouncing pledge, says he/she doesn't think it should exist.

3. Next Dem. candidate refuses to take pledge.

Or something like that.  


Six years (0.00 / 0)
is all of elementary school for most kids.  It's a disaster for a bridge that is already ready to collapse.  It's the death of an elderly person who made the wrong choices between shelter, food and medicine.  

What is the matter with us here in NH?  


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Yep (0.00 / 0)
But having been accepted so long, it takes a while to undo.

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