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HB 436 - Marriage Equality: The Best Public Hearing Ever!

by: Rep. Jim Splaine

Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 20:11:07 PM EDT


(THANK YOU Sens. Reynolds, Lasky, and Houde, for listening to it all. - promoted by Dean Barker)

It was the best public hearing ever held at the New Hampshire State House.  Okay, excuse me for what some observers might consider a little exaggeration, or not -- fact is, it certainly was one of the best.  I've seen hundreds of hearings during some 29 years I've been either in the House or Senate, and I can't think of a better one.  It had all the ingredients.  

I left Portsmouth driving West with the bright early Springtime sun to my back at 6:12 AM.  I wanted to arrive in time for a 7:15 AM rally in front of the State House that was to be held by opponents of House Bill 436, the full marriage equality bill.  

It was a nice ride.  I hit some traffic, and got to Concord a little late at about 7:30 AM.  After parking at the Legislators' parking garage, I turned a corner and saw the signs:  "Marriage:  1 Man - 1 Woman", and assorted variations of the theme of how gays and lesbians are out to destroy marriage, and that God doesn't condone gay marriage.  

Rep. Jim Splaine :: HB 436 - Marriage Equality: The Best Public Hearing Ever!
I quietly wedged into the crowd of about 150 people who were listening and cheering for what sounded like a Bible class, mixed in with a heavy dose of conservative politics.  Then, at about 8:00 AM another rally started closer to the street, this one organized by pro-HB 436 supporters.  Bishop Gene Robinson was speaking at that one, and the speaker system played some of Martin Luther King Jr. speeches.  A good part of the edge of the anti-HB 436 crowd seemed bothered by their own speakers' comments being drowned out by MLK and Robinson.  I think the good Reverend would be proud.  

The anti-gay marriage rally went to about 8:40 AM, way over its allotted time, and this allowed for the 150 or so pro-gay marriage rally goers to pull off a bit of a coup -- they rather quietly slipped into the front door of the State House as the anti-gay marriage rally attendees kept cheering for their speakers.  Neat plan, because that meant that by the time the anti-gay marriage rally folks were done their cheering, as they went to find seats in the Legislative Chambers most of the really good seats in the middle of the Hall were filled by the pro-HB 436 folks.  The anti's were left to the wings of the hall and the back seats.  So sad for them.  

The hearing itself began at about 9:15 AM, slightly later than scheduled.  The five Senate Judiciary Committee members -- Senators Deb Reynolds, Bette Lasky, Matt Houde, Sheila Roberge, and Bob Letourneau, were attentive throughout the first hours of the testimony, recessing at about 11:55 AM for lunch break, and gathering again at 12:30 PM.  Chair Deb Reynolds did a great job keeping the hearing moving at a decent pace, discouraging most speakers from going beyond 3 1/2 minutes or so.  The hearing ended at 4:30 PM, capped by testimony by former two-time Democratic Gubernatorial Nominee Paul McEachern and Rep. David Pierce, who did such a great job on the House floor three weeks ago.  

The room was packed, and for the first four or five hours the division in the room was about 1/3rd anti-HB 436, and 2/3rds pro-HB 436.  For the final two hours, however, most of the anti's had got exhausted and left, and those who were for House Bill 436 had staying power.  

All considered, each "side" was respectful, both outside during the rallies, and inside during the hearing.  There were a few boos, some laughter, some cheering, all the things that happen at well-attended hearings.  Chair Deb Reynolds deserves much credit for keeping control of the hearing, and Senate staff and State House security did their job with skill.  

Oh, and the three Democrats on the Committee -- Reynolds, Lasky, and Houde stayed for the ENTIRE hearing.  We should thank them and do some follow-up calls and E-Mails and letters, urging them to stand together in supporting House Bill 436 and letting them know that their nearly 7 hours of listening with patience and tolerance will be rewarded.  Because they were at the head table of the very best public hearing ever at the New Hampshire State House.

And we need to let Governor John Lynch know we appreciate that he hasn't acted like a certain neighboring Governor -- John Lynch has allowed this dialogue to continue without any threats of a veto from his office.

Three State Senators doing a great job.

A Governor with class.  

Democracy at its best.

We can do this.  Equality.  Now.  2009.  

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Governor of NY (4.00 / 1)
to introduce marriage equality bill

New York Governor David Paterson will introduce legislation on Thursday to make gay marriage legal, but the move faces an uncertain vote in the state's Senate.

"The timing was always right," said Paterson, a Democrat -- who ordered all New York state agencies a year ago to recognize out-of-state gay marriages. "It's just who is willing to take that step, and I am."



Yes, I heard this. (4.00 / 1)
Suddenly, we are envisioning a reality of a sizeable land mass in the US, from just east of the Great Lakes to Down East Maine.

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my impressions (0.00 / 0)
I pretty much agree with Rep. Splaine's description, but there are a few points that I would add.

It's mentioned above, but bears repeating, supporters outnumbered opponents significantly at the hearing.  It was about 2-1 judging by the white and green stickers.  That's about 300 supporters and 200 opponents.  Yes, their rally was larger than ours, but many of our people didn't attend the rally and my guess it that some of their people did not actually attend the hearing!  There were a few seats left, so we didn't run out of room.

We also had several more speakers in support of the bill than opposed.  I didn't get the final tallies of who signed in, but that's what the attendance was.

It also bears repeating that Senator Reynolds did a GREAT job chairing this hearing.  She kept things respectful and moving along.  I've attended a lot of hearings and I've never seen one as well run as this was.  Kudos!

I don't remember any booing, it was actually one of the most respectful hearings I've ever heard.

In the AP article about the bill, it says that when the two groups mixed, one of the supporters said something ugly to one of the opponents.  What wasn't reported was that this opponent had attended our rally and was holding her sign up in people's faces the entire time instead of being at her own rally.

Also, the AP article quoted the guy that said "Some of the women have been wearing their pants so long that some of the men have forgotten their identity. It's time the men put their pants back on".  That comment SHOCKED most of the crowd.  Could he not see that 3 of 5 committee members were women?  Did he think that insulting them would be a good idea?  What was even more shocking was that at the end of his speech, a large number of marriage opponents applauded loudly.


Look who's qouted! (4.00 / 1)
In the AP article:

"This is not a time to tiptoe. Be bold," urged Beth Campbell, of Concord.



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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Some real greats (0.00 / 0)
When Beth Campbell told of surviving abuse at the hands of her hetero parents, it must have had an impact on the senate panel. The opponents claim that they are for the children is proven false by such awful daily realities. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with good parenting. The anti's were so full of fear and rage, and the people for equal rights all displayed compassion. One would think that would matter too. I wish the whole state could have heard Beth and so many others, a young gay woman in high school talked about her dreams of a future. Jim is so right; it was a hearing I'll never forget!

No'm Sayn?

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Thanks Burt and Kathy (0.00 / 0)
It really turned out to be a great day.  I have to thank Pants Guy.  After I spoke I was a bit teary (thanks for the shoulder, Tim C).  Once Pants Guy started spewing his 1950's crap, the laughter came and broke the mood.  

I think the best part of it all was seeing young people, gay and straight, taking up this cause.  The high schooler who spoke poignantly about her gay sister being much better parent material than she, stopped by the SEA rally (State Employees are Taxpayers too!) during the lunch break and gave me a hug.  I told her and her friends that politics got me at 16 and I have been active in liberal causes ever since and that they are the future, they are the ones to pick up the torch of activism.  

Oh, I almost forgot, I'm going to WGOP tomorrow to tape Close Up.  Someone read the same quote that Kathy saw and they asked me to join the discussion.  Should I wear a dress?

Everybody watch!

Justica para todos.  Justice for all.  Pass it on.


[ Parent ]
You left out (4.00 / 2)
that he said, "And the women need to put their dresses back on!"

Of the three women on the committee, Senator Bette Lasky was wearing a skirt, and, IIRC, Senators Deb Reynolds and Sheila Roberge were wearing pants.

For the record, Senators Matt Houde and Bob Letourneau were also wearing pants.

It was the only true comedy gold of the day.

Though silver goes to the snowy-haired Texas-accented woman who said she'd moved here from Texas five years ago, and we had to be careful of unintended consequences, because once years ago one person in Texas had been against prayer in schools, and now they couldn't have any prayers in schools, and they couldn't teach the Bible or have the Ten Commandments posted any more, either.  She seemed not to have noticed, on moving from Texas to New Hampshire, that anything other than the physical climate was any different.


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and bronze (0.00 / 0)
The AP article that I cut-and-pasted didn't have the full quote.

The bronze metal goes to Senator Reynolds and Senator Lasky.  At the start of the hearing, Chair Reynolds announced that food and drinks were not allowed in Reps Hall and Senator Lasky had to give up her coffee.  You had to be there, but it was a hoot.


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Saw that... (0.00 / 0)
... also saw that Letourneau didn't give up his later in the morning.

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If maintaining gender roles as integral to marriage is the basis of the real anti-gay marriage argument, (0.00 / 0)
All the more reason to pass this bill.

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What it's about is male authority. If the rooster can't rule, (4.00 / 1)
what's he going to do?

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Both as a male and as a person, (0.00 / 0)
I'd rather be enlightened than in charge.

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Protecting children from what (or whom?) (0.00 / 0)
I brought my two young children with me to the State House to hear some of the testimony in support of this important bill.  It struck me as ironic that I ended up cutting our little civics lesson short because of the vile and hateful things that were being said about families like ours, all in the name of protecting children.  

Also, I'd like to give a special thanks to the UNH College Democrats, many of whom rallied and testified, thereby missing out on a great breakfast/party at the 17th Annual UNH GLBT Pancake B-Fast.  The College Dems were honored there with the UNH Pink Triangle Award for their work on this bill.  Much deserved.  

Paula

Paula M. DiNardo
Dover NH

A Blue Hampster since 2007!



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I'm glad to hear things went well (0.00 / 0)


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