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Privatizing Social Security: A Bad Idea Gone Worse

by: AnnMcLaneKuster

Tue Mar 02, 2010 at 09:41:36 AM EST


( - promoted by Laura Clawson)

When the market crashed last year, I thought that the resulting pain would be the final nail in the coffin for the champions of privatizing Social Security. Sadly, I was mistaken.

This past weekend, the ranking Republican on the U.S. House Budget Committee, Rep. Paul Ryan, same to New Hampshire to pitch his new privatization plan. Already, former congressman Charlie Bass is resurrecting his own call for privatization, just as he did when George W. Bush was trying to sell the idea to a skeptical country a few years ago.

Privatization was a bad idea then, and it is a worse idea now. Here is why:  

AnnMcLaneKuster :: Privatizing Social Security: A Bad Idea Gone Worse
First, it is risky. That is not a slur - "risk" is inherent in private investing, and it is the counterpart to the potential "rewards" of investment.  But Social Security is fundamentally different than private investment: it is a public safety net.  Two thirds of American seniors count on Social Security benefit checks for more than half their income, and another severe market drop could leave them devastated. That scenario doesn't affect only those depending on the checks - it impacts all of us who would have to deal with the fallout.  To make matters worse, the riskiness of privatization is compounded by the danger to seniors from scam artists, fraudulent fund managers, and the Bernie Madoffs of the world. Social Security is a contract between generations, and there is no room for private risk in that equation.

The second problem with privatization is that it is fiscally irresponsible.  Transitioning to a system of private accounts leaves a significant fiscal gap, as today's payroll taxes would be invested in the market instead of paid to today's beneficiaries. The resulting hole is estimated at $2 trillion.  For context, $2 trillion is twice the combined cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan under George Bush.  It is slightly larger than the massive tax cut President Bush passed in the early 2000's, much of which favored society's wealthiest at the expense of growing national deficits.  And it is four times the cost of the flawed Medicare prescription drug benefit program.  Not surprisingly, today's champions for Social Security privatization, like former Congressman Bass, voted for every one of those fiscal disasters.

Finally, last year's crash was a reminder that we need more safeguards on the market, not less.  We've seen what happens when Wall Street runs unchecked: big banks put their very existence at risk for short-term gain, and traders buy and sell complicated derivatives that even they themselves don't understand. We need more reform to prevent the biggest and riskiest institutions from becoming the next Lehman Brothers, and we need to force Wall Street to pay back its taxpayer-funded bailout in full.   That isn't about punishment - it is about restoring the investor confidence necessary for growth.

This debate, like many in Washington, is often over-simplified into a shouting match between those who hate the market and those who hate government.  The truth is, each institution has an important role.  As an attorney and public policy advocate for New Hampshire's colleges, I helped bring together lawmakers, educational institutions, nonprofits, and businesses in 1998 to create the "New Hampshire UNIQUE" college savings plan - one of the nation's first tax-advantaged college savings accounts.  A decade later, tens of thousands of middle-class New Hampshire families have used private savings accounts to make college more affordable.  The market can help families save for college and a more comfortable retirement.  But we've also seen what happens when it fails.  That is why we need government safeguards to prevent failure, and a Social Security safety net to protect our citizens.

Instead of trying to resurrect the failed theories of the past, it is time to move forward with a laser-like focus on helping create new jobs and spurring economic growth.  We can do that with tax incentives for startups and small business expansion, with investment in clean energy technologies, universal broadband access and infrastructure improvements, and with some fiscal responsibility that was sorely lacking when Congressmen Bass and Ryan were in charge in Washington. But we can't do it by moving backwards.

This article was also printed in the Concord Monitor and the Keene Sentinel

A Concord attorney, Ann McLane Kuster is a Democrat running for Congress in New Hampshire's Second Congressional District (www.kusterforcongress.com).  

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Some of our people are always looking for a pot (0.00 / 0)
of other people's money to play with and skim a guaranteed stream of income for themselves.  They are, essentially, freeloaders--the queen bees of our hives.  The only difference is that a queen bee actually lays eggs to renew the population.  The Queens of Wall Street contribute nothing of social value.  Neither, for that matter, do health insurers.  They simply serve like drones to funnel honey to the queens.  If they are to be replaced, it's only natural that the queens would look for another source of support.

All the talk about risk is really a distraction from the fact that what the Queens of Wall Street are after is a guaranteed income from bonds.  They see the Treasury sending funds directly to states as grants as a bad omen.  When revenues from taxes are adequate, political jurisdictions large and small can forgo the long-term commitment to bonded debt.

The preferred alternative to "tax and spend" is not "save;" it's "bonded debt."  Bonds are what provide a steady trickle of income to the Queens of Wall Street.

Why, exactly, does our Treasury dole out money to Wall Street at no interest so the Queens of Wall Street can lend it back to the general fund and "earn" interest?


Social Security- Many things to do before privatization. (0.00 / 0)
"Instead of trying to resurrect the failed theories of the past, it is time to move forward..."  That being the case, please stop the Bush bashing and let us indeed move forward.  
One step whould be to increase revenue to Social Security by making sure ALL Americans participate.  Specifically all state, federal and municipal employees and all elected officials.  
Secondly, why is no one raising the question of means testing.  Granted, we are all concerned about seniors who will rely on more than half of their income from Social Security.  However, what about the elderly folks are are wealthy? Why should they receive Social Security payments if they have annual incomes of over (let's say) $250,000?  Why should I be able to collect Social Security while I am still working full time?  Oh, because I'm Entitled to do so?  Yup, there's the "E" word.  Perhaps the real reason nothing will get done.

If you truly wish to make a difference, Ann, start attacking those things which actually affect us, and not throwing out hackneyed insults and talking points critical of an administration that is no longer relevant.


Bush's baby (4.00 / 2)
Charlie Bass. Oh, and privitizing SS.

Both are terrible ideas.

I'd up the contribution limit before I'd do anything else. Just sayin'.

www.KusterforCongress.com - www.paulhodesforsenate.com
www.nikitsongas.com - www.devalpatrick.com


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No longer relevant???? (4.00 / 2)
If you truly wish to make a difference, Ann, start attacking those things which actually affect us, and not throwing out hackneyed insults and talking points critical of an administration that is no longer relevant.

Since Charlie Bass voted repeatedly for Bush Administration proposals to privatize Social Security and gut its Trust Fund, Ann's critique is quite relevant. If a politician's past votes do not provide an indication of how he will act in the future, then, Jim, what in God's name does?


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Wild (0.00 / 0)
You nailed it. Bass is going to try to dodge his voting record by playing a variant of the "Can't blame Bush for eveything" card.

I'm nervous. Voters might buy it. Bass could conceivably get a pass on being a sucky congresscritter.

www.KusterforCongress.com - www.paulhodesforsenate.com
www.nikitsongas.com - www.devalpatrick.com


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Make government workers participate! (4.00 / 2)
We can check that one off. It happened in the 1980s.

Means testing!
We can also check that one off, at least in part. You pay income taxes on Social Security if you have even a small outside pension or 401K.

Lesson: you need to do a little homework before prescribing policy on this.


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Paul Ryan (4.00 / 2)
has spent time with John E. Sununu in 2005 and now today in the GOP House budget plan working to privatize Social Security.

If your side wins Congress, Paul Ryan's dream will come closer to reality.

I've been paying into SS for as long as I've been employed.  Paul Ryan, John E. Sununu, Grover Norquist and the rest are going to have wrest SS out of my cold, dead hands if they want to destroy that social compact.

Privatization was resoundingly rejected by America in 2005.  It takes some serious arrogance for the GOP to bring it back again after the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, when many have lost so much of their private retirement accounts.

I applaud Ann Kuster for not letting Paul Ryan off the hook here.  When he comes back here again for the NH-Primary hoping to be someone's VP choice, I am going to remind anyone I can, again and again, and for however long it takes, of his goal of privatizing Social Security.  


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Relevant (4.00 / 1)
What happened during the Bush years is relevant for us today.  We wouldn't be in this boat if is wasn't for the policies of that administration.  Also, this country will feel the legacy of that criminal organization for years because of the people it appointed to the courts.

Charlie Bass's record is relevant to this state's future since he has decided that he's still relevant, rather than moving-on with his life and letting NH more on with hers.


"Finally,last year's crash was a reminder... (0.00 / 0)
...that we need more safeguards on the market, not less"
Yes exactly. The stripping way of regulatory authority under the Bush regime led directly to the gutting of the economy. The Republicans came to power in a time of balanced budgets and surpluses. They came, they saw, and plundered on their way out of town. As usual,we have to clean up the mess.

'Aints no more

Almost exactly (0.00 / 0)
"we need more safeguards on the market, not fewer"

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less is fewer? (0.00 / 0)
One of the groups I love to hear is the Les Moore trio ...they play Tuesdays at the Strangebrew in Manch

'Aints no more

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It's no secret... (0.00 / 0)
...that I disagree with the premise of the post: I still maintain that there is more financial sense in a system where individuals invest long-term for their own retirement.  We have had this discussion before, and I was roundly pumeled for it :-)

Having said that, I must note that while the title of the post speaks to privatizing retirement plans, the body of the post really looks at a different issue: that of the dangers of a Financial Industry that is able to engage in fraud without being held accountable.  Like many Americans, I was (and am) furious at how the bailouts unfolded, skeptical of the Goldman Sachs Cabal that continues to dictate policy, and yes, opposed financial deregulation of the industry (yes, Susan, another socialist streak....you know us Leftist-Libertarians...:-))

We must keep in mind that reform to our old-age security is needed.  And scare tactics about market downturns are simply not valid:  You don't save in 2004 in order to retire in 2010...it's a long-range view.  Even individuals who invested in a broad range of investments for at least 15 years before the '29 crash found themselves ahead of the game.  

I also agree, however, that even if a switch to a private account system was made, that leaves current retirees (and near-retirees unfunded).  And I agree that means-testing MUST be impleented, and other revenue sources must be found to fund the current system.

What an opportunity, though, to marry two important needs: reforming retirement planning by permitting some degree of privatization, AND reforming the financial services industry by increasing regulations and safeguards (an approach that Chile took 20 years ago).  

That, of course, would require Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, knee-jerk corporatists and knee-jerk anti-corporatists to actually work together on a comprehensive bill.........er, ok....  Just fergit it....


False dichotomy - (4.00 / 2)
Social Security doesn't preempt individual retirement planning. Especially with the financial industry promoting their products and the tax incentives to 401-Ks etc, that has been happening for a generation or so.

But really - you need to do a little more homework on Social Security. It isn't exclusively a retirement plan. About 30% of its benefits go to the survivors of those who die young. 401-K plans don't help those widows and kids much.


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Not sure about that, elwood. (0.00 / 0)
I know this is a hot-button issue for you, but permit me to respond:

1) You're right, SSA does not outright preclude private investment.  It only precludes private investment among those with the least disposable income. Those who are wealthy enough to have disposable income afetr their SSA deductions quite easily open up a private retirement account.

2) Yes, 30% of all SSA payments go to survivors.  Of course, 401-Ks payments also continue to be owned by and distributed to survivors. And unlike SSA, children can continue to collect on the 401-K after they reach 18 - unlike SSA, which abruptly ends.

3) I prefer the Chilean system, which guarantees a basic stipend for anyone and everyone who finds that a private 401-K doesnt meet their needs; in other words, a guarenteed safety net.  In other words, I prefer privatized accounts with a guarenteed minimum level for those for whom the account should, for whatever reason, fail; no different than supporting food stamps and WIC for those who need them, rather than requiring the entire nation to enter into a federal Food Voucher System.


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This really is foolish: (4.00 / 1)
401-Ks payments also continue to be owned by and distributed to survivors. And unlike SSA, children can continue to collect on the 401-K after they reach 18 - unlike SSA, which abruptly ends.

This is just so out-of-touch with reality it's embarrassing.

Here's my situation. My father died when I was 7. I had two sisters. Social Security contributed to the household while my mother finished college and started on a teaching career.

Yes, Social Security benefits stopped after we reached 18 (I think that was the age then). For a surviving family of four, supported by one wage-earner paying into Social Security, the benefits FAR exceeded the payments made.

That's the way insurance is SUPPOSED to work.

That was many years ago. I'm closing in on collecting retirement benefits in a few years. Anecdotally, I know that if I had died at my father's age, my 401-K "nest egg" wouldn't have lasted more than a year or two for my own family.

Statistically I believe this is true for almost everyone.


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You are not listening to me... (0.00 / 0)
I said I support a guarenteed income for those in tour situation....its just that very few of us are in your situation, and so your situation, while important to incorporate into an overall plan, can not be the tail that wags the dog.  

My own preference is that individuals pay to their own account (with resulting control and higher re3turns than SSA) while business continue to match the payroll tax to fund surviviors and disability.  It makes more sense from an actuarial perspective without reducing benefits.


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Not listening? (0.00 / 0)
Ahem.

Maybe this time you will hear.

1. 30% of Social Security benefits go to survivors and disabled - NOT to retirees. So claiming that I'm in a tiny ignorable minority is just plain wrong.
2. You claimed that 401-Ks are superior for those survivors because they don't run out when the kids reach 18. That betrays a complete ignorance of the difference between insurance and savings.
3. Your claim of "higher returns than Social Security" is completely unfounded. So far you've been ignoring the insurance component of OASDI. If you fund the 30% SDI benefits through some other program, the OA benefits rise a lot.  


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which means.. (0.00 / 0)
1) that 70% of SSA goes to RETIREMENT.  Further, you were in the position of being a minor susrvivor...the 30% figure applies to ALL SURVIVORS, INCLUDING SPOUSES.  Child survivors accout for LESS THAN 4%.  You are playing very fast and loose with numbers here.

2) 401-Ks are not savings.  In a privatized system (as I envision it, and as implemeted in Chile and currently under consideration in England, Australis, and New Zealand), the corpus is used to purchase an Annuity, which is insurance in that it guanrentee payments for life (or life + survivors, if you so choose)

Heres the bottom line: opposition to privatized accounts has othig to do with math.  It is embedded in a distrust of business, period, and everything else is fluff.


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I'm actually good at math. (0.00 / 0)
Better than you are at mind-reading.

And no, I am not playing fast and loose with numbers. The spouse counts.  


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Social Security (4.00 / 4)
also helps the disabled, a fact that is continually overlooked in these discussions.   My late husband worked 2 jobs well into his terminal cancer. When he  was finally able to collect SSI disability benefits, he was able to stop working. In order to work, he had to sleep most of the time when he wasn't working. Thanks to SSI, he was able to be present for the last 6 months of his life.

This was also incredibly important because I was (and still am) unemployed. I couldn't support him financially.

Now more than ever, Social Security is essential. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of the population is unemployed. They're burning through their retirement funds, if they're lucky enough to have any. And when they get a job as a bagger at the local supermarket, or flipping burgers - because their good paying job isn't ever coming back - they aren't going to be able to save for their retirement.  


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Separate issue. (0.00 / 0)
The Disability Insurance fund (which amounts to a mere .31 of every $7.65 contributed) is accounted for sepearately even though its not necessarily separated on your paystrub under FICA.  I am only addressing OASI - Old Age and Survivors Insurance.

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401 K and IRA (4.00 / 3)
I'm a retired citizen.  I had money in both an IRA and a 401K at the time of my retirement.  As the markets fell in 2008 my financial adviser  kept telling me to hang in there.  Even though my money was supposedly in conservative assets, I had lost 37% of my life's savings when I pulled the remainder of those assets out of the markets.  From my personal experience, I am totally opposed to any transfer of funds from SS into investment accounts.

compare that... (0.00 / 0)
How much have you paid into social security?

And how much of that do you have?   Do the math.


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GOP 's true purpose (0.00 / 0)
Face it folks----the ReCons (republican/conservatives) hate it when the federal Gov has ANY help for the average American.....The middle class and below are supposed to pay the majority of the taxes and then just shut up!

A few years ago pres Clinton said that 1/3 of the SSI short fall would be paid by making legal 250,000 illegal workers. This was never disputed and clearly shows the employers  hiring the illegals and then cheating on the taxes are the largest single threat to SSI    Enforce the law against the outlaw employers----problem gone,budget balanced------a twofer

The GOP can talk about privatizing when they show they have ever truly been fiscally responsible---failing that just SHUT UP!!!!!!


Not relevant?? (0.00 / 0)
This from the "Dartmouth Dem"

"If a politician's past votes do not provide an indication of how he will act in the future, then, Jim, what in God's name does?"

When I pointed out the fact that Frank Guinta had a long history of Progressive voting as a member of the NH House, a reader here dismissed it by saying, "...that was a long time ago."

Well, which is it? Either the past administration is irrelevant to today's discussion, or Frank Guinta is really a Progressive Republican and certainly not a conservative.



Asked and Answered (4.00 / 1)
Well, which is it?

I can't speak to Guinta's "progressive" voting record, but his more recent mayoral tenure was anything but.  Jim, slashing funding for schools and law enforcement is NOT progressive.

Charlie Bass has had one -- and only one -- position on Social Security during his political career: that it should be privatized and gutted.  Every vote he cast during his too-long congressional career points to this end.  (Let me know if you would like specific citations.)

If you have any reason to believe that Charlie Bass has changed his position on Social Security privitization since he left Congress three years ago, please let me know.  I am not aware of any.


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