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Rep. Notter to Cancer Patients: Host a Bake Sale

by: Zandra Rice Hawkins

Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 15:20:10 PM EST


(If the new Republican majority thinks the proceeds from a bake sale will pay for cancer treatment, what does this say about its ability to generate a realistic state budget? - promoted by Jennifer Daler)


Do we have our very own Sue Lowden in the New Hampshire legislature?

During yesterday's hearing on HB 440 - which seeks to remove New Hampshire from the new health law and bar the NH Insurance Department from enforcing consumer protections - Representative Jeanine Notter of Merrimack told a member of the public that health reform is not needed because she is sure, just sure, that communities will rally around cancer patients and help them cover their costs.

Did you hear that, cancer patients? Representative Notter wants you to hold a bake sale while your fight for life. According to her, this is the American way. So don't worry about trying to get access to health insurance so you can pay your fair share and have real faith in your ability to provide care for you and your family, follow the lead of Girl Scouts and PTA functions. You should be able to raise enough for half a doctor's visit - no medical procedures - and you'll get a brownie to boot!

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what can one say? (4.00 / 1)
arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

note to close readers: this might be sarcastic so think twice before reading to candidates for use in their attacks on each other

'half-baked' idea n/t (4.00 / 2)


note to close readers: this might be sarcastic so think twice before reading to candidates for use in their attacks on each other

[ Parent ]
Good luck with that (4.00 / 5)
Perhaps Rep. Notter's retirement plan is based on buying powerball tickets.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


Or (4.00 / 4)
winning the lottery of birth.

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden

[ Parent ]
May the Good Lord bring excellent health (4.00 / 5)
to Rep. Notter so that she may never have to see a the bill for a single chemo treatment.

Because if she had any clue what she was saying, she could never live down the regret over those words.

*****

We are ruled by children.

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker


How many cookies would you have to sell (4.00 / 2)
at fifty cents a piece to pay for one (out of dozens) breast cancer treatment?  I'd say if you're lucky only about 30,000.  Isn't every bake sale that successful?

[ Parent ]
Where in the world did these jokers come from? (4.00 / 3)


Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

Among other things, she's a Vesta Roy graduate (4.00 / 1)

Vesta Roy is
a political leadership training program for New Hampshire Republican women
Here's a list of other Vesties who grace the statehouse with their presence:

Kathleen Cusson-Cail, Class of 2004
Molly Smith, Class of 2005
Jeanine Notter, Class of 2008
Donna Mauro, Vesta Roy Express (2010)
Regina Birdsell, Class of 2009
Jo Ward, Class of 2010
Laura Jones, Class of 2010
Vicki Schwaegler, Class of 2010
Lenette Peterson, Class of 2011
Laurie Sanborn, Class of 2011


[ Parent ]
What an insult to Vesta (4.00 / 4)
Vesta Roy was an educated, highly regarded woman who displayed great class and grace. She most certainly was not an extremist wackadoo.

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

[ Parent ]
I can tell you, Ray (4.00 / 1)
They were elected by the people who walked past me at the polls in November and said, "I'm only voting for you if you have an R after your name."

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From spark to conflagration (4.00 / 2)
It's easy to scoff, but many GOPers think you solve problems like, um..cancer, by charity. Well a few actually believe it. Most just hate paying taxes that pay for programs that help... the rest of us. (h/t CSP)

It would be bigger news it it was Michele Bachmann saying this. But, Bachmann has high priced consultants keeping her from accidently spilling the beans. ;v)

What you have here is national GOP policy hitting the ground. It swoops down from 30,000 feet and spills out of mouths like the one of Rep. Notter. This is where the ax meets the grindstone. Notter's words are sparks. The conflagration will start in local hot spots, like the NH House committee rooms. Take heed and act!

(Taken from my FB comments on Jennifer Daler's wall)

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden


Covered in shame. (4.00 / 4)
Uninsured cancer patients are nearly twice as likely to die within five years as those with private coverage, according to the first national study of its kind and one that sheds light on troubling health care obstacles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22...

But what's the point of a 5 seconds of Googling a study when, if you manage to grab a few more votes more than the other guy in November in a wave election, you can be a Statehouse Expert on the subject and deny thousands of Granite Staters access to insurance?

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker


OK, now I am certain. Conservatives have no sense of (4.00 / 3)
time.  That is, they never consider how much time anything takes.  So, of course, the concept of efficiency is totally foreign to them.  

Not having a sense of time actually works to their advantage because the people whose time they waste and who do have a sense of time, will often do their work for them, letting them conclude that things happen by magic, if you just wait long enough.

What's to be done?  Don't elect people who have no sense of time to public office.  When you look for it, it's a deficit that's pretty easy to identify.  Of course, once people are in a public office, there's usually a staff which masks that deficit.  Not to mention that people who never get things done seem to have no problem tasking someone else who does.

We organize government for efficiency.


You do the math..... (4.00 / 5)
In 2000, when my husband was undergoing his very conservative cancer treatments, he got just one shot and one two-hour infusion per month.  No hospitalizations.  And that cost $2500 per month.  Or $83.33 per day.  So at 50 cents per brownie, and 16 brownies per pan, that's only just over ten pans of brownies to be sold every day.

Not included in this calculation:  All other doctor's visits, testing, lab work, home health supplies, intermittent home health nursing and hospice care, costs of flour, sugar, eggs, milk and chocolate, or the time it takes to sell 167 brownies per day every single day of the year.  For four years.  No problem.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. --Marcus Aurelius, courtesy of Paul Berch


moronically tautological (4.00 / 4)
Rep. Notter wrote the following moronically tautological blurb against an anti-Citizens United resolution:

HCR 1, urging the congressional delegation to begin the process for a constitutional amendment establishing that human beings, not corporations, are entitled to constitutional rights.  INEXPEDIENT TO LEGISLATE.

Rep. Jeanine M Notter for State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs:  This bill would urge congress to begin the process of amending the U.S. constitution to establish that human beings and not corporations are entitled to constitutional rights.  This has to do primarily with the funding of elections.  The HCR should be killed.  Vote 8-5.

She said the bill should be killed because... well, just because it should be killed.


I noticed that too (4.00 / 2)

My reaction was 'where the hell is the chairman of this committee and why is he not telling her to write a blurb that reflects the debate?" Then I remembered the chair is Al Baldasaro, so I was able to answer my own question.

[ Parent ]
We don't need to stinkin' insurance... (4.00 / 2)
Offer your doc a chicken. Between bartering chickens and a few bake sales, you'll be fine.

I second JBB... ..arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  

""Hope is the dream of a soul awake.""

/French Proverb quotes.



"NO" stinkin' insurance... (0.00 / 0)


""Hope is the dream of a soul awake.""

/French Proverb quotes.



Notter to Cancer Patients: Host a Bake Sale (4.00 / 4)
  In case you could not hear/understand what Representative Notter said, this is it:  
 "Americans are generous people.  They are known to be generous people, and I think maybe you'll agree with me that when someone in their community has cancer and no insurance, they're gonna rally, they're gonna fundraise, and they're gonna get the treatment that person needs."  
Pure folly.  Folks with cancer (or any other disease) and no insurance currently seek desperately needed services at a local hospital.  In turn, hospitals pass on most or all costs of charity services to the premiums of folks who have insurance ... about $1000/year currently added to our premiums.

 


What was she doing lecturing a person who was giving testimony? (4.00 / 4)

Representatives are supposed to speak to witnesses solely to ask questions and elicit information. Debating, arguing, and lecturing of witnesses is not allowed. So why is this gal doing it, and how is she getting away with it?

[ Parent ]
Decorum Shamorum... (4.00 / 3)
when one believes one has been divinely chosen to hold powerful positions one needs not bother with such matters...

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

[ Parent ]
sad but true n/t (0.00 / 0)


note to close readers: this might be sarcastic so think twice before reading to candidates for use in their attacks on each other

[ Parent ]
Rep. Nutter (4.00 / 4)
At a public hearing a few weeks ago on a resolution related to the Legislature's role (or lack thereof) in the relicensing of nuclear power plants, Rep. Notter asked a witness if there were any nuclear power plants in New Hampshire!

Local rep responds (0.00 / 0)
I sent an e-mail to my reps, asking them if they agreed with Notter and also referencing what seemed to me a very extremist agenda being foisted on NH.  This young man (late 20s) has a very famous old Northwood name, and was apparently chosen by John Reagan (bed bug John Reagan), at least that's what he told the town clerk when he signed up.  I have never heard him speak, he didn't attend our candidates night, and the only writing I saw about him was in The Forum's election edition, I have no idea if he actually wrote it himself.
I sent my e-mail out this morning early and received this response:

Lucy,

As I am sure you are aware each Representative is able to submit bills, which I chose not to do this year.  Each bill will get vetted in committee and ultimately it will fall to the House, the Senate and the Governor to decide what becomes law.  If GOP leadership decides to push an agenda I can choose to agree or disagree but ultimately I have a very small influence and fighting the current is next to impossible.

I am doing my best on Criminal Justice and public safety committee to keep everyones eye on the prize and avoid enacting any unnecessary legislation.  As for an extremist agenda, I would say they are working in the best interest of the NH tax payer as they perceive the situation.

I would support repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care act and replacing it with a real health care reform bill, one that doesn't have hidden taxes on gold coin dealers or a sales tax on real estate sales, tax code reforms and all manner of hidden agenda woven into it.  If I felt Congress actually read this bill and vetted it properly I would be more inclined to let it stand, however, as it is it needs to be scrapped and real reform enacted.  
You ask where is the sensible NH? The citizens of NH are wondering the same thing about Congress.  Anyone who has read the health care law will be taken aback by how much pork and unrelated nonsense was slipped in under the cover of helping people.  It is unbelievable that the plight of the uninsured would be exploited for political agenda,  when Congress is ready to present a bill that just deals with health care reform and is willing to read it and judge it on its own merits I will be ready to support it.

Thank you for taking the time to contact me Lucy,

Kyle J. Tasker
603 724 4716
19 Tasker Cross road
Northwood, NH, 03261
House Representative
Candia, Deerfield, Northwood, Nottingham

If you asked me if I thought he wrote this, I would say, "No."  


Actually... (0.00 / 0)
Rep. Tasker constantly impresses me with the quality of his writings. We've had multiple discussions, and I shook his hand  in thanks just the other day telling him how much I enjoy reading his well constructed thoughts about the issues, and this sounds entirely like him to me.

If you're going to cast stones, perhaps meet the young man first, before you cast aspersions on his character.

BH's token Republican / Libertarian / TeaPartier / Free Stater, courtesy of a Federal Affirmative Action grant, despite many of his comments being marked down and hidden.


[ Parent ]
Not so impressive... (4.00 / 2)

is his reliance on discredited Tea Party fantasies for reasons to oppose federal healthcare. A hidden tax on gold bullion dealers? A tax on real estate sales? Please, give us a break.  


[ Parent ]
So you're ok with... (0.00 / 0)
a 3.8% transaction tax on profits over $125k-$250k in a house sale?  That's not a fantasy, Mike.  Go fact check.  Even Snopes points out the truth behind what you label as 'discredited'.

And as for the 'hidden tax on gold coin dealers', that wasn't a myth: they just voted to remove that 1099 filing requirement

http://thehill.com/blogs/healt...

because it was onerous, on lots of businesses, including but not limited to gold coin dealers.  Labeling it that way was how the media discussed it too: http://abcnews.go.com/Business...

But hey, don't let the actual facts spoil your belief that Rep. Tasker is mistaken, even when his point is still so clear and true: "What does either of those things have to do with healthcare!!!"

BH's token Republican / Libertarian / TeaPartier / Free Stater, courtesy of a Federal Affirmative Action grant, despite many of his comments being marked down and hidden.


[ Parent ]
I don't think you comprehend what I said. (4.00 / 2)

Look at what Rep Tasker wrote and that I objected to:
I would support repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care act and replacing it with a real health care reform bill, one that doesn't have hidden taxes on gold coin dealers or a sales tax on real estate sales..
.
Hidden taxes on gold?  That's nonsense, and if you believe it isn't, show me the part of the bill that imposes a tax on these guys. What the bill did is lower the $$$ threshold and expand the filing requirements for 1099s. It did nothing about taxes on gold or gold dealers whatsoever. The law has always been that you must pay a tax on capital gains. Your little link  said nothing about gold whatsoever, so why use it as 'proof' of Tasker's assertion?

Even Snopes points out the truth behind what you label as 'discredited' (that there is a sales tax on real estate).
Really? Snopes agrees?  What are you smoking? What Snopes says is "False: Health care legislation imposes a 3.8% tax on all real estate."

What the bill did was establish a 3.8% tax on investment income over $125K for an individual/$250K for a couple. Housing is an exception in that the tax is only imposed on a gain on the sale if the gain is more than $250k for an individual/$500K for a couple. In other words, unless you sold your house for more than $500,000 more than you paid for it, you wouldn't pay this tax. In any case, the tax is only on the gain above $500,000. It is not a "sales tax", which is on the overall value of what is sold, but is a capital gains tax on the net profit above the threshold.

This is not that difficult to understand, if you are prepared to spend a few minutes. My sense is you and Rep. Taskers are so caught up in your outrage you are prepared to believe anything you are told that reflects poorly on Washington.  


[ Parent ]
You've added text, as if I said something I didn't... (0.00 / 0)
If you are going to quote me, either quote me fairly (don't add words to what I wrote) or I won't bother trying to have a conversation with you in the future.  Don't try and make it sound like I said something I didn't say by putting it in quotes.

I made clear Snopes pointed the truth behind what you just labeled as 'discredited', which (funny enough) was the part you didn't list:

TRUE: Health care legislation imposes a 3.8% transaction tax on profits over the capital gains threshold.

Which is what I described above, isn't it?  The limits on a house sale are $250k for an individual (which is within the amount I listed, isn't it?), not just $500k for a couple. (and the higher limits are only on your main residences, otherwise it's as low as $125k for individuals.)  So when you say 'under $500k won't be taxed', you are making a very half truth-y statement intended to obfuscate the actual numbers which are much lower, and affect a lot more people and not just via house sales.  Yes, describing that as a 'tax on real estate sales' is correct, which is what you said was a fantasy and to 'Please, give us a break.'  Rep. Tasker described it in basic terms, as part of his larger point, and I'll bet if you asked most people, they'd use 'sales tax on houses' to describe what it really amounts to, since most people aren't tax experts and don't know the difference between transaction taxes and sales taxes.

As for the 'hidden tax', I made clear (and linked) to the fact that the mainstream media had portrayed it in the same way as Rep. Tasker had, such as in this quote:

This provision, intended to mine what the IRS deems a vast reservoir of uncollected income tax, was included in the health care legislation ostensibly as a way to pay for it.
 I didn't say it was a new tax, but it was attempting to collect taxes, it was hidden (We can't know what it's in it until we pass it), and it was just voted for repeal in the Senate (and will likely pass the House now) for being a huge overreach of invasive legislation.

You continue to ignore Rep. Tasker's point for even bringing up these things (regardless of your nitpicking about the specific details, both of which I've shown have accurate truth at their cores): WHAT does either of those things have to do with healthcare?  What does making everyone file more 1099s and taxing profits from a House Sale have to do with actual Health Care issues?

BH's token Republican / Libertarian / TeaPartier / Free Stater, courtesy of a Federal Affirmative Action grant, despite many of his comments being marked down and hidden.


[ Parent ]
of course (4.00 / 1)
you're impressed. You share his narrow world view.  

[ Parent ]
that's not an argument for repealing the entire Affordable Care Act. (4.00 / 2)
Those provisions may or may not make sense... but that's not an argument for repealing the entire Affordable Care Act. Issues like those can be addressed by simply striking the offending sections.

[ Parent ]
Vinson's striking down the entire Act... (0.00 / 0)
was based on the standard as recently set in Ayotte v Planned Parenthood, which made clear he shouldn't piecemeal it but send it back to Congress to fix it there as it's their job to do so, and he made clear to the Justice Dept that they made their case as to the essential nature of the mandate being key to the Act, which is why the entire thing had to go.

It's a good decision to read, very educational about the Commerce Clause history and decisions.  I'd recommend to everyone in the legislature, since we've got multiple bills addressing not just ACA but other aspect related to the Commerce Clause coming before us this year.

BH's token Republican / Libertarian / TeaPartier / Free Stater, courtesy of a Federal Affirmative Action grant, despite many of his comments being marked down and hidden.


[ Parent ]
not a judicial comment (0.00 / 0)
I was making a political comment, not a judicial one. In any case, Judge Vinson's decision in Florida vs. HHS was based on one of the central provisions of the bill: the individual mandate. Vinson didn't overturn the ACA because of the seemingly extraneous taxes which Seth was complaining about.

[ Parent ]
Morons. (4.00 / 3)
How about we start acting like responsible adults and repair any faulty parts of the legislation instead of repealing it? Have these geniuses never heard of amendments? Or is the real agenda actually just to repeal and stall indefinitely (the more likely tactic).

And, I really love the logic in the notion that health care can be paid for by selling unhealthy baked goods. Perfect.

But, what do I know. I have no representation in Concord.

They. Don't. Care.
We do.
Rinse, repeat.


[ Parent ]
I thought the most interesting line (0.00 / 0)
was "fighting the current is next to impossible."  

Seth, I live in the same town.  I ran in that election.  I spent time and money letting people know who I was, even though I had served on almost every town board and committee and helped start our very successful farmers market.  Kyle did not come to candidates night, he did not write one letter to the local papers, none of the people I knew knew anything about him except that he had the famous last name.  

And there were people at the intersection by the lights with signs that asked us to "Send a Tasker to the State House."  Any old Tasker apparently would do.  

And believe me, given who is in the legislature right now, I consider myself lucky that I lost, along with every other Democrat in our district.  It was made very clear to us, we will not even bother to learn about you if you have a D after your name.  


[ Parent ]
I would never wish cancer on anyone (0.00 / 0)
but I could be convinced in her case.

No that's ugly and I don't really mean it, but goddamn it!

...the Doo Dah Man once told me you've got to play your hand. Sometimes the cards ain't worth a dime if you don't lay 'em down.


rambler (0.00 / 0)
that is ugly. I wouldn't wish what my husband went through on anyone. I understand the anger and frustration, but we have to try to channel it better than that. We can't beat them by becoming them.  

[ Parent ]
I humbly withdraw my comment n/t (0.00 / 0)


...the Doo Dah Man once told me you've got to play your hand. Sometimes the cards ain't worth a dime if you don't lay 'em down.

[ Parent ]
I'm guessing (4.00 / 5)
that the last 3 years of my husband's life, as he went through treatment for multiple myeloma cost over a million dollars. He had 2 surgeries - a hip replacement and neurosurgery to implant a titanium infrastructure in his neck to hold up his head, because his cervical spine had been eaten by cancer. There were numerous bouts of radiation, numerous hospitalizations, at least one life flight, constant visits to doctors, and then there were all the drugs. Hugely expensive drugs.

As beloved as David was in our community, a million dollar bake sale might have been a stretch. Fortunately, he raised chickens.

This new legislature (in both Concord and DC) appear to be densely populated with a group of people who have the collective intelligence of a sack of doorknobs. These people are the REAL death panels.  


the health insurance scam (4.00 / 1)
so they raise the deductible to keep the 'premium' down...so if you are relatively healthy, and are in a health care plan the following can occur; (probably often)as it did to one of us...we pay bi-weekly premiums, plus have a medical savings actt...one of us works at an elder Health Care facility...noticed a dark patch of skin, that was new...scheduled an appointment with family physician @DH Clinic...and he said after seeing the blemish...'do you want to see a skin dr.?' 'duh, that's why I am here, you are the DR. not me, you are supposed to make the call'(defensive med.)
then sees the skin dr. 3 weeks later, who immediately freezes and removes...they send out for biopsy and two weeks later call saying, 'no problem but we need to speak to you'
return call to hear Melanoma...no problem though we just need you back in two weeks...then they go back in and 'clean' the margins take more skin around original site, and biopsy again. Two weeks later clean bill of health, for now.
All s.o.p.
The bills come,but under the deductible...the scam?
We pay all premiums on time, and since the total remaining is about 1,100. including lab fees, its all out of pocket...I wish we owned a medical insurance company...we put about 1500. a year into the savings acct, its gone, and there will be return visits every three months, that will not rise to the deductible either...so we pay everything out of pocket, plus the "premium"...

note to close readers: this might be sarcastic so think twice before reading to candidates for use in their attacks on each other

terrific work as usual (0.00 / 0)
Keep it up, Zandra.

I want my country back. (0.00 / 0)
My country has become an insane asylum run by the inmates.  How did this happen overnight?  Maybe it's just a nightmare, but it seems real.

HOBS (4.00 / 1)
"Host a Bake Sale."

Or, Life is nasty, brutish, and short.

(It would be beneath us to notice that ''Notter' is an anagram for 'Rotten'.)


I just watched that (4.00 / 2)
And cried. My dad died from lung cancer. I can't even fathom how much money was spent on his care in the last months of his life.

A bake sale. A bake sale. Really? Seriously?

This is heartbreaking. Clearly Rep. Notter's family has not been touched by cancer.

I don't even know what else to say. So discouraged and disappointed that this is happening here in NH.



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