I love my country; I love my family more.

because, of course (0.00 / 0)

only little girls cry.

sigh  

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by: susanthe @ Mon May 23, 2011 at 22:18:20 PM UTC

He only has daughers (0.00 / 0)

n/t

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by: JimC @ Mon May 23, 2011 at 23:08:47 PM UTC

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that's an even better reason (0.00 / 0)

not to make stupid sexist commentary.  

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by: susanthe @ Tue May 24, 2011 at 00:41:15 AM UTC

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If you have never seen a boy with pigtails (0.00 / 0)

If you have never seen a boy with pigtails you don't get out much and possibly you've never seen Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson.  I very intentionally said "child"; if you see stupid sexism, it's because that's what you want to see - it's coming from some place other than my words.

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by: Vis Unita Fortior @ Thu May 26, 2011 at 17:01:05 PM UTC

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horse hockey (0.00 / 0)

Willie Nelson wears braids. Snoop Dogg wears his hair in either braids or cornrows. I'm certain that neither of them describe what is happening on their heads as "pigtails." The dictionary definition of pigtail includes braids, but most people find more than one ponytail on a head to be pigtails.

I encourage you do do a google image search of the word pigtail, and let me know how many images you see of boys/men.

It is charming of you to describe sexism as stupid, though. Kind of a universal characteristic of the fauxbertarian crowd that I associate you with. If you pretend it's stupid and non-existant, you can also continue to pretend it doesn't exist, and you don't perpetuate it.  

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by: susanthe @ Thu May 26, 2011 at 17:24:13 PM UTC

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Google search, as requested (0.00 / 0)

This is EXACTLY the Google Image search I made BEFORE I made the above comment today:

pigtails snoop

and here's another one I also did beforehand: boy pigtails

I wrote a bunch of other stuff but then erased it because I realized that in titling your comment "horse pockey" you are literally accusing me of lying about something.  If I haven't demonstrated honesty by this point after the last few years on BH I don't suppose that there's any way that I can.

Go ahead and call me a sexist whatevertarian and apply to me these universal characteristics of crowds I'm evidently a member of, just remember that those are all your words for me.  I, personally, would call you bad at appraising other people's political views and a bit of a pigeonhole(r).

I sincerely hope that you have a good Memorial Day weekend.

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by: Vis Unita Fortior @ Thu May 26, 2011 at 19:23:58 PM UTC

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yet (0.00 / 0)

if you google just the word pigtails, you get only a few jokey images of men. I can see why you chose to do it your way. It reinforces your thesis that you aren't engaging in sexist commentary.

I don't have any expectation or intention of schooling you on anything. Male privilege is a barrier that men have to be willing to overcome. Very few men in this world are willing to examine their own behavior for sexist language and or treatment of women. Arrogance and defensiveness are not among the hallmarks of the "few."  

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by: susanthe @ Thu May 26, 2011 at 20:40:33 PM UTC

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Arrogance and defensiveness (0.00 / 0)

Exactly.

You seem to concede that I examined my own behavior, then still seek to criticize me for examining my own behavior and choosing my words carefully and avoiding reinforcement of gender norms because I somehow did not do it adequately - I did the right thing but with insufficient "willing".

You behave very oddly, in my experience, for someone who is not trying to school another.  If you don't think that you're revealing things to me I am unaware of or haven't read extensively about, or revealing things to me which "very few men" understand, or revealing things which fauxbertarians or some other crowd I'm supposedly part of don't understand, I have to say that your behavior and thought processes are completely incomprehensible to me.

(Nothing wrong with that, I'm just out of my depth here if everything you've said in this thread about your own perceptions and motivations is true; not an uncommon experience for me, these days, to feel out of my depth.  Maybe, if you do not see yourself as trying to educate me on a topic I'm unfamiliar with or educate me about part of my own nature you think I'm unaware of, you're simply saying all of these things for the sake of the BH audience?  Or, you are making these comments about my relationship to gender and sexuality, and alluding to "stupid sexist commentary", for your own sake rather than anyone else's?)

Also, I want to point out (for the sake of the general BH audience, in this case, as I feel my perspective as an independent might shed light on some things) that I'm pretty sure that the way this thread has gone is exactly what Republican wonks are trying to take advantage of when they create messaging about Democratic "elitism".  From my perspective, in the original post I tried to criticize a substance-less Republican politician and complement Obama's electoral prospects - I felt like I was trying to present a message that any Democrat would agree with - and nonetheless I feel as though I have been attacked for failing to follow some ideological protocol of communication in exactly the same way a Democrat would.  I am certain that my perceptions of sexism, male privilege, the Patriarchy, gender normativeness and the significance of violating gender norms, and treatment of women are much more similar to your own, susanthe, than to those of any politically conservative person I've talked to about those things; but my perceptions of what you've been saying here result in me concluding that you are behaving in a manner that early 20th-century pop psychology would have called "narcissism of small differences": to put it more colloquially, I feel like I'm getting static and getting explicitly accused of lying because I'm not talking about these things in exactly the same way that you would.

But I guess this sort of thing is inevitable in political forums; and I don't think anyone's feelings are hurt, from the sound of it - probably my exasperation is the only casualty; so it's all good.

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by: Vis Unita Fortior @ Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 19:55:17 PM UTC

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blah blah blah (0.00 / 0)

It is always interesting to me, however, to see how men react to the very mention of male privilege. You've become testy, yet you've concealed it with thinly veiled accusations of elitism and a subtle attempt at bullying me through trivializing my comments by likening them to pop psychology. You pointed out the superiority of your perspective as an independent, while complaining, ever so genially, that you've been attacked and accused of lying.

All of this provides an excellent, high falutin', psychobabblicious diversion from the original subject of pigtails. You've failed to convince me that elementary school boys, Willie Nelson, or Snoop Dogg refer to whatever is going on on their respective heads as "pigtails."

By the way - I'm not a Democrat. Does that suddenly give my perspective the same kind of depth and superiority contained in yours?

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by: susanthe @ Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 20:29:44 PM UTC

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Also (0.00 / 0)

This is a sentence I probably shouldn't have erased: between the sexism stuff and the Googling stuff I do not think that you are schooling me on the things you seem to think you're schooling me on.

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by: Vis Unita Fortior @ Thu May 26, 2011 at 19:29:12 PM UTC

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