Five Years Later: Senate Poll and Roundup

Psstt! Nanny! (4.00 / 2)

All these polls giving you bad news on candidate preference?

They are all conducted over the telephone.

Wouldn't it be a shame if...

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by: elwood @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 19:01:06 PM CST

I saw a story or two (0.00 / 0)

over the rise of cell phone jammers.

First, land line jamming, then robo-calls.

I would not be surprised to see cell phone jamming be a part of election day 2008.

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 19:04:44 PM CST

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Sununu on Global Warming (0.00 / 0)

Obviously, the Quote Of The Day dude is not familiar with John E.'s keynote address to the American Council for Capital Formation in 1999 on Kyoto. He told the assembled masses that "the science [underlying global warming] is weak," and that "it's very hard to argue that what we're seeing . . . is out of line with historic variation."  Here's the complete speech:

http://www.accf.org/...

Sounds a lot like a "global warming conspiracy theorist," eh?

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 20:02:54 PM CST

Jeanne Shaheen (and her new campaign manager) (4.00 / 2)

If this poll isn't evidence that Jeanne Shaheen is our best candidate, then I don't know what is.  Jay is a good man, but Jeanne has earned the respect of NH voters from across the political spectrum. . . . She can -- and will -- defeat John E. Sununu next year.

Re: her new campaign manager's former client:  Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is Dartmouth's first congresswoman!  The '88 grad knocked off a right-wing Bush loyalist in one of the biggest upsets of the 2006 cycle.  She's on the cover of this month's Darmouth Alumni Magazine.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 20:07:00 PM CST

Huh. Are there any more (0.00 / 0)

"Dartmouth Dems" that were ushered into the 110th Congress besides Hodes and Gillibrand?

Of course the 109th saw the end of Bass...

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 20:15:31 PM CST

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"Of course the 109th saw the end of Bass..." (0.00 / 0)

l'chaim

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 20:22:32 PM CST

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Go Green! (0.00 / 0)

But we do have Rep. Mike Capuano D'73 (D-MA) in the House -- he headed Speaker Pelosi's transition team after the takeover.  And the Dem Revolution wiped out the humiliation of Don Sherwood D'63 (R-PA), who was blissfully replaced by Rep. Chris Carney.

Of course, despite our inaccurate reputation as a "conservative" school, Dartmouth was the home of many other great Democrats, including:

* Tom McIntyre D'37
* Paul Tsongas D'62
* Robert Reich D'68
* John Kitzhaber D'69

Not to mention other courageous non-Democrats, like Daniel Webster, Salmon P. Chase, and C. Everett Koop D'38.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:40:05 AM CST

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Don't Forget (4.00 / 1)

Sen. John Blutarsky

Next time, there may be no next time.

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by: Jon Bresler @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:04:32 AM CST

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Touche (4.00 / 2)

And, of course, Dr. Seuss (D'25), Captain Kangaroo (D'42) and Mr. Rogers (D'50). . . .

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:24:07 AM CST

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saw Mr. Rogers at Dartmouth Graduation (0.00 / 0)

My exchange student brother was from Colombia...he did Undergrad at Dartmouth and got a PHD from Thayer...both his daughters also graduated, and the younger one, Laura Garzon,  graduated Summa in Environmental Studies...Fred Rogers spoke at her graduation, I think it was 2004. "Its all about Yewww" he said.

Next time, there may be no next time.

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by: Jon Bresler @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 18:48:01 PM CST

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Just before he died (0.00 / 0)

he was interviewed on the Diane Rehm show. A woman called in and told the story of how her autistic son watched "Mr. Rogers" every day. He watched long after he should have "outgrown" it. But through Mr. Rogers' routine--he always did the same thing show after show, with some variations with the puppets, guests, etc., the boy began to communicate and be able to relate to people. The mom really gave Mr. Rogers credit for hepling her son overcome his disability. The kid grew up to be okay. I was so touched by that story, and so happy Fred Rogers got to hear it.

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 08:30:56 AM CST

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7 Years of College Down the Drain (0.00 / 0)

Next time, there may be no next time.

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by: Jon Bresler @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 21:44:46 PM CST

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Best candidate? (0.00 / 0)

Isn't this the person who prevented the income tax and repeal of the death penalty? Core Democratic issues. I am nervous about which side she and Lynch are on. Don't bother with the too far too fast argument. This Liebermanization of my party makes me puke.

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by: xteeth @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:12:13 AM CST

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??? (0.00 / 0)

Unless you consider expanded kindergarden access, children's health care, gay rights, and REAL environmental protection to be "Liebermanization" issues, you are way off base here.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 06:19:06 AM CST

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Don't forget... (0.00 / 0)

Abolition of the laws criminalizing abortion, decreased utility rates, job creation, expanded trade, HMO accountability, establishment of the LCIP program.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 07:40:32 AM CST

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And of course, the general governing competence that Republicans have been shown of late to lack. (0.00 / 0)

There was no superdome, no rooftop refugee crisis, when New Hampshire flooded.

Who ever heard of a public official becoming more popular for his/her handling of a situation like that?

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 08:38:04 AM CST

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Silly argument (0.00 / 0)

Sorry, I am not willing to give up on all the things that make the Democratic Party what it should be. We are currently seeing with Schumer and Feinstein what just a little veering off the highway can do. I am sick of it. Doing some good things doesn't erase doing some horrible ones. That is the Republican argument for why it is all right for them to be corrupt as we owe them some for Clinton's behavior. Some things are just right or wrong. If a child has tonsilitis you don't compromise by taking out one tonsil. Look at the rest of the comments on this web site. This kind of caving in is going to chase away more and more activists who expect better than just a cancellation of bad acts by good ones.

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by: xteeth @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 16:54:14 PM CST

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Making the Perfect the Enemy of the Good (4.00 / 3)

For the life of me, I can't figure out what Schumer, Feinstein, and President Clinton's libido have to do with Jeanne Shaheen.  Jeanne was our first Democratic governor in a generation, and ran our state with integrity, competence, and progressive values.  Her accomplishments on the issues cited above -- children's health care, enviromental protection, reproductive freedom, budget discipline, gay rights, etc. -- stand as a testament what "the Democratic Party should be."

Oh yeah -- in her spare time, she rebuilt the NHDP (with the help of folks like Kathy Sullivan) in to a force, one able to dedicate resources and politically savvy to state candidates.  Don't think that had anything to do with the 2006 revolution?  Ask the candidates.

Xteeth, try not to make the perfect the enemy of the good.  Remember the good progressives who sat at home (or voted for Ralph Nader) in 2000 because Al Gore supported welfare reform and free trade.  Do you think those people are happy today?  I think not. 

You have two options:  (1) Take your toys and go home, frustrated that Democrats can't nominate candidates who are as perfect as you are, and let right-wing Republicans benefit from your anger and frustration.  (2) Or you can fight like hell for candidates who share your core principles, albeit not your positions on every single issue.  Then watch as these candidates change our state -- and our country -- for the better.

I'm a proud liberal, and I pick Door #2.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 07:56:54 AM CST

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I hope it isn't "for the life of you" as I give you more credit. (0.00 / 0)

Evidently my doors are not as limited in number as yours. Perhaps you have noticed that we are not discussing my running for office and what I have accomplished, this discussion is about what the available candidates have accomplished. I am sure that Shaheen doesn't kick children and small dogs either but she did prevent the income tax, which was passed by both Republican controlled houses in New Hampshire from being enacted into law. Theory has it that she did this so as to be able to win the senate seat which she then lost to Sununu. Now, it isn't possible to even bring the subject up in this state without getting slaughtered. We have no mechanism for funding education. The property tax is the biggest cause of interpersonal and intertown resentment possible. We could have been done with this problem but instead we will cut each other down for decades more till finally it is recognized that since the government has to get money somewhere, the best and fairest place to do that is where there is money, not land which is far too often a happenstance and not accompanied by pots of cash to maintain it. It is the very definition of regressive.
  Now as to what they (Schumer, Feinstein, Clinton and morality) have to do with anything. Everywhere these days the argument is made that we should be willing to accept something less than optimum because ------ you fill in the blank. And look where it gets us. The war continues, the rich get richer, there is no universal health care, global warming etc. Compromising with the folks who have every reason to make excuses, and fob us off again and again is losing the activists who, in my opinion, are the only hope of getting voters up off of their couches to turn off the TV and put down the mouses and do something before we have to add treading water to our other skills. It has been tried the approximating way and we still have the bad stuff above.
  As much as I appreciate all the good stuff from the past efforts of Dems in New Hampshire, I have also been to the State Conventions and seen the chaos and the refusal to accept ammendments from the floor and the resentment caused by those who have taken command when no one else would do it. I have seen the NHDP during the 2004 campaign not even have Kerry bumper stickers at the end of October. That stuff had better be over. Every single Democrat had better be able to say, "This is my party," not the property of some few. So I have many options, not just the two that you seem to want to allow me. This is my party too.

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by: xteeth @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:45:14 AM CST

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And... (4.00 / 2)

You'll cry if you want to?

Bumper stickers?  You are upset about bumper stickers?

Thankfully, the Kerry and NHDP coordinated campaigns were more focused on persuasion, voter id and GOTV at the end of October 2004 than bumper stickers; we elected a Democratic governor and got the four electoral college votes for Kerry, as well as increased our numbers in the legislature, setting the stage for 2006, which resulted in great things happening, like civil unions, the restaurant smoking ban, adding to LCHIP, more pro-environmental legislation, increasing the minimum wage. I'll take results over the availability of bumper stickers any time, but then again, I am a glass half full type of gal! 

 



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 11:21:23 AM CST

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Half full of gall. (0.00 / 0)

Wow you really don't read the other posts here do you. Do you think you did all the work. Do you take credit for electing Carol. Have you read what Elwood has said. Have you talked to the workers in the fields? Bumper stickers are a symptom of egomania. This is the Democratic party not the Republican. We don't crown people and they certainly are not allowed to crown themselves. Well, maybe we used to.

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by: xteeth @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:24:25 PM CST

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oooooooooooo (4.00 / 1)

1. Yes, I do read them
2. no
3. no
4. yes
5. yes
6. If bumper stickers are a sign of egomania, then what do campaign signs symbolize?
7. Yes
8. Is this supposed to hurt my feelings?

Xteeth, now I know what you are half full of! Have a most wonderful day!



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:43:29 PM CST

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"Do you think you did all the work?" Let me take a crack at that. . . . (4.00 / 1)

While you were sitting at home, whining about bumper stickers and the imperfections of progressive Democratic candidates, Kathy Sullivan was out leading OUR change.

Kathy spent nearly a decade leading our party from oblivion to majority.  She nurtured local party organizations, recruited strong candidates, and helped them with fundraising and field support.  Oh, and along the way Kathy talked to more then a few "workers in the fields" -- she organized us, guided us, and secured funding for the punch and cookies we consumed after a long afternoon of canvassing.

Don't quite understand the "bumper stickers are a symptom of egomania" comment -- that's a bit bizarre, don't you think?  I've always thought they were free advertising. 

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 12:55:12 PM CST

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Wouldn't it be nice for you if true? (0.00 / 0)

So sad for you. I am the guy that bought the bumper stickers (something like 5000 of them) and tried to arrange to get the 4 x 8 signs that were lacking up until the last moment. You see what has happened here? A worker in the field has tried to point out a failing and instead of acknowledging the errors and their results, and saying but look at all the good stuff that happened anyway, you have gone all self righteous and attacked the messenger. Sad don't you think? I am grateful for all those who have done anything more than act like screen berets. How many times do I have to say it? That doesn't make any of the bad stuff less bad. Sorry that I don't choose to worship you guys just look at the whole picture. Be proud of YOUR change. Now let's get an income tax, universal single payer health care, impeach the witless chimp, end the war, repeal the death penalty, end global warming and quit being so proud of ourselves.

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by: xteeth @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 14:15:22 PM CST

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I am proud! (4.00 / 2)

I am proud of everything Democrats accomplished in New Hampshire the last few years, and have always been the first to say it wouldn't have happened without the hard work of the volunteers, candidates and staff.  If you took my tone as self righteous and attacking, instead of with the humor with which it was intended, it may have been the echo from your own postings you were hearing. 

Thanks for buying the bumper stickers; I bought a few thousand myself, and distributed them around the state, because the Kerry campaign had made the decision to spend its money on other things, which, in light of the outcome in New Hampshire, was the right decision. As for the signs, this is a sore point in every election; the people in the field want signs, while the people making the allocation decisions want to wait because signs have a tendency to disppear, and so you have to go out and spend money on more signs.  Signs have a couple of purposes. One is name recognition building, which wasn't necessary in Kerry's case.  Another is to show momentum and support. Another is GOTV.  I wish you had called me and asked me about this instead of being so angry about it the last three years, I would have been happy to answer your questions!



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 15:06:02 PM CST

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Messengers are not always evil (0.00 / 0)

I don't have questions I have experiences. It's not your fault. You have done immense stuff when no one else did much. That is just the way things seem to be here. I have asked you and others about stuff and will continue and have told you and others a bunch of stuff and will continue that as well. Here's an example of an idea from the soldiers that has been blown off every time I've suggested it. By our Dem lawyer, Lou D'Allesandro, Ian Graves, the list goes on. Doesn't even seem to hard to me. When we are out there on street corners and bridges waving signs etc. no one seems to know what are the rules for where you can be etc. Even the police don't seem to know and I have been ordered off of places by them making stuff up I bet. Back in the SDS days, everyone had a card in their pocket which described what was legal to do in demonstrations and a number for the policeman to call if they wanted more "information." How hard is that. Aren't we loaded with lawyers who know about the relevant RSA's. I had a terrible blow up at the Elm St. headquarters in 2004 with a bunch of campaign honchos about why didn't I write it up. Because I am a nobody. If God told me directly the laws it would make no difference. If the Lawyer for the Dems had made it up it would save the soldiers a lot of difficulty. It was like going into a doctor's office with bones visible from an arm break and having the doctor say, you don't know if you have a broken arm. Yes I do. It is my arm. Fix it. I'm even glad to find out that we have both Kathy Sullivan 1 and Kathy Sullivan 2. Do you both get to vote. Maybe this is a tactic we could develop along with early and often.

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by: xteeth @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 16:56:12 PM CST

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I object to the idea (4.00 / 2)

That there's a consensus on any of the issues you mention. We're a big tent party. You can oppose an income tax and still be a good Democrat, like John Lynch. You can support the death penalty and still be a good Democrat, like Howard Dean.

There's all sorts of disagreement about whether or not impeachment is a necessarily good or practical idea. Talk about how you want to approach health care or global warming, you're going to get disagreements even among people who agree with you in principle but disagree with the "how" of it.

What you're asking for is the sort of ideological intolerance that we have seen in the Republican Party over the last few years. Why on earth would we want to repeat their mistake?

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by: Alex Gallichon @ Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 00:05:40 AM CST

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The pain is in tents! (0.00 / 0)

The problem with how the Republicans have behaved has nothing to do with their restrictions on who can be in the party, the problem is that they are wrong about just about everything. And still, gays try to join, huge bunches of poor Hispanics and NASCAR dads try to join, and on and on. If you give me a list of your traditional Republican views and then say you're a Democrat I don't believe you. Lieberman, Webb, remember Zell Miller? People can try and be part of anything that they want but there are and have to be principles which form the core of what we are and what we want to be. And I would also like to add to that issue that we must actually act in a consistent way to achieve those goals not change them for some other purpose. Are any of us or our representatives perfectly in accord with each other or the rest of us, absolutely not. But there are core principles and from them I think one can deduce things like income tax and death penalty opposition. We can, will and should argue about this logic but it is critical to recognize what kind of things you consider to be part of the actions of someone that belongs in this huge tent. I don't think that Miller belongs but I don't mind him trying. Subversion is inevitable. The Democratic party used to have a whole bunch of white southern racists in this big tent. They are mostly gone to the Republicans now. Same with the others. I'd never let them lead. This is where this thread began. Does anyone know how to get this thread back to the left margin without losing the preceeding elements? I am beginning to feel like a note card.

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by: xteeth @ Thu Nov 08, 2007 at 07:03:53 AM CST

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Digging even deeper (4.00 / 1)

Jeanne Shaheen crushes Senator* Sununu among certain subgroups; she beats Sununu with support from 90% of all Democrats, 53% of all Independents and 59% of all women; she also beats Sununu among moderates by 35 points (Buckey gets 69% of Democrats, 32% of the I's, and 38% of women, and beats Sununu among moderates by 4 points). She has a favorable rating of plus 13, in comparison to minus 2 for Buckey and minus 7 for Sununu.  Jeanne Shaheen would be a formidable candidate against Sununu.

Gov. Shaheen's new campaign manager Hyers  also sounds formidable; I am really excited about this race, and the hire of Hyers!

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 20:40:54 PM CST

She also has the advantage that unlike Buckey, people know who she is already. (0.00 / 0)

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 10:20:17 AM CST

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Vengeance (0.00 / 0)

I remember how in 2002, we lost three Senate races through disgusting GOP trickery.  There was Max Cleland in Georgia who got called a traitor by Saxby Chambliss after losing three limbs in war.  There was Mondale, who lost after Republicans spun Paul Wellstone's funeral for their political ends.  And there was New Hampshire, where the Republicans blatantly broke the law to win.  A lot of us have been waiting a long time for revenge.

Georgia's going to be really tough, though the recent polling suggests that Cleland might have a shot if he came back.  We're close to even in Minnesota.  But it looks like you guys are right on the road to righteous vengeance here.  I wish you all the best, and I'll be cheering for you all the way.

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by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf @ Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 12:59:11 PM CST