What Will Hillary's NH Delegates Do?

Buyer's remorse anyone? (0.00 / 0)

Scorched Earth!

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 21:31:08 PM CST

Obama's Response to Clinton's Shenanigans (0.00 / 0)

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton:

It should not be surprising given recent events that the Clinton campaign would in one breath say the election is about winning delegates and then tout their success in states that don't award any delegates in the next breath. The DNC has made clear that the winner of the contest in Florida will not receive any delegates, so the next step in this nominating process is February 5th. If the Clinton campaign's southern strength rests on the outcome in a state where they're the only ones competing, that should give Democrats deep pause.

Again, no one is more disappointed that Florida and Michigan Democrats will have no role in selecting delegates for the nomination of the party's standard bearer than Senator Obama but he looks forward to vigorously competing for their votes in the general election.

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 17:55:03 PM CST

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*&%$!@+&^* (0.00 / 0)

I don't even know what to say. I literally do not know what to  use as the subject to my comment...

Not only is it damaging to NH (and our primary); and not only does it put her delegates in an awful position (I hope); but, it also puts Obama, Edwards, and all the other candidates who abided by the DNC's wishes and stayed out of the early primary states at an extreme disadvantage.

Only contributes further to the notion that the Clintons play by their own rules and can do what they want and get away with it.  Makes me feel all the more uncomfortable with Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Bush/Clinton...  Actually queasy.


Feeling hopeful since 2004...

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by: Kelly Nordstrom @ Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 22:51:15 PM CST

WWCD? (4.00 / 1)

What Wont Clintons Do?

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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by: Paul Twomey @ Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 22:59:06 PM CST

Shagri-Las Anyone ? (4.00 / 1)

you cheated you lied you said that you loved me...

Kathy's favorite movie line

golly gee what have you done to me
I guess it doesn't matter anymore

$11 Bills

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:20:58 AM CST

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don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters n/t (4.00 / 2)

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:22:28 AM CST

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Suckcess n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:33:36 AM CST

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You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows... (0.00 / 0)

Hope > Fear



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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:42:54 AM CST

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yup (0.00 / 0)

http://www.bluehampshire.com/s...

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:59:11 AM CST

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That radical 60's shit, humiliates me. (0.00 / 0)

Should I feel this way?

What more can I do? Hell, protests are like "kabuki" to Americans. Wholesale soap sales.

Can you tell I'm depressed from all the "gaming?"  

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:06:37 AM CST

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meanwhile back in New Haven (4.00 / 1)

Jack it was no soap opera then...tear gas, bayonets,

Hillary and Twomey did work for the movement, he still does...

Hillary used to have values, Power Over People right on...

During her 2000 NY Senate campaign rumors flew that Hillary had done work for the Black Panthers, specifically on the trial of Bobbie Seale, along with Bill Lan Lee. In reality she helped organize demonstrations along with the ACLU to support the cause of a Fair Trial for the Black leader. I was there that day...the MC-5 played ...as the video goes on you'll see a huge crowd develop...later that night the National Guard ran amok.

Blood in the streets, in the Town of New Haven 2:02

the sleeping giant stirs... I am getting pissed

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:59:39 AM CST

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The 1919 Black Sox. Did they have cheerleaders? n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:36:12 AM CST

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didn't the DNC (0.00 / 0)

seat delegates from another state once before, after they stated they weren't going to seat them? At a past convention? Seem to recall being told this once, if its true, I'm not surprised shes asking for them, just not so soon, I think it would be a last ditch effort after Super Tuesday.

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by: sdoyle @ Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 23:05:09 PM CST

This is truly low. (0.00 / 0)

I'm considering running for at-large delegate for Obama, but one thing's for sure: if somehow I end up being a delegate at this convention, I won't vote to seat Michigan or Florida delegates, no matter what any candidate says.

But this is worse than Lieberman running despite losing his party's nomination.  He's done a lot of things I can't respect (including endorsing McCain after so many Democrats supported him for President and for Vice President) but that's not one of them; he's first and foremost a Senator from Connecticut, not from the Connecticut Democratic Party.

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 23:33:31 PM CST

It is no surprise (0.00 / 0)

Slash and burn style has been her and her husband's trade mark this whole campaign.

As I commented recently on this blog:

"I repeat that for some this is the game of politics and all is fair.  For me, I am really tired of the game and at this point if Obama looses because of the Clintons games-- I will stay on the sidelines of the general election."

This is all a big game for the Clintons-- they set the rules and if you don't agree you are some kind of apostate.  In this case her pledge to support the Democratic Party's rules have now flown out the window due to her newly found support for "voter's rights".  Does anyone think if Obama had won FL and MI she would be calling for this?  

I initially gave $ support to Edwards, Richardson, Clinton, and Obama.  Went and saw them all and then voted for Obama who I continue to support.  

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by: dputrich @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 04:39:20 AM CST

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Games have rules. (4.00 / 1)

No games I know of can be won by violating the rules or changing them mid-course.

People who don't follow rules are criminals.  That's how we define them.

Of course, for a rules-based society to work, the participants have to exercise self-control.

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by: hannah @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:31:00 AM CST

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They are NOT Clinton's delegates. (0.00 / 0)

They are OUR delegates.  They speak for us at the convention as our agents, so we don't all have to trek to Denver.  
The delegates have committed to taking a particular position on the first ballot.  That's all.  The so-called super delegates have taken no position which they are honor-bound to keep. Let's try to keep who's doing what to whom and when straight.

Elections are about the voters.

It looks increasingly that the strategy of distraction to keep the public from realizing what's really going on was not invented by the Bushes.  That whole "right-wing conspiracy" shtick is beginning to smell like a cover for promoting the corporate globalist agenda.  

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by: hannah @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 05:25:04 AM CST

I was with you until the last paragraph. (0.00 / 0)

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 11:56:36 AM CST

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Bad Move (4.00 / 4)

This is a bad move by the Clintons. The DNC didn't disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters. The Florida and Michigan parties disenfranchised their state's voters by breaking the rules.

The DNC's only recourse was to refuse to seat the delegates, and if they didn't, the primary calendar would have dissolved into chaos. Florida and Michigan were hoping that the DNC would blink, but it didn't. I'm sympathetic to the plight of the voters, but the outcome was unavoidable.

If Hillary wins the nomination because of this move, it will be correctly seen as cheating and it will split the party, hurting our chances in November. If she narrowly ekes out a win over Obama, it may prove to be a Pyrrhic victory.

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by: dweingart @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:23:15 AM CST

What Marshall said. (0.00 / 0)

I read that before bed last night and was thinking about the distressing pattern lawsuits and attempts to change the rules in the middle of the game.

Hope > Fear



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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:42:54 AM CST

There was an earlier suggestion (0.00 / 0)

that the MI and FL state parties could now schedule actual contested caucuses after Feb. 5th and have the caucuses select delegates...

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by: elwood @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 06:46:13 AM CST

NH got played (0.00 / 0)

I am one of the most stalwart and ardent supporters of all things Granite.  I care deeply about our state and it really matters to me that we continue to have the first-in-the-nation primary.  

What Hillary Clinton has now done by suggesting that we ignore the penalties put on MI and FL and let their delegates count is a slap in the face to New Hampshire.  She played us all and used us up.  This will ensure that our primary be forever comprimised and forever trampled upon.    

Slash and burn indeed.

I'm continuing to volunteer for Barack Obama, I suggest all of you do the same if you are tired of these games.

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by: Hope Not Fear @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:45:31 AM CST

Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin (0.00 / 0)

alas Babylon...from the Book of Daniel

   And this is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, and PARSIN. This is the interpretation of the matter: MENE (literally a "monetary toll"), God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; TEKEL (literally a "tokenary weight"), you have been weighed on the scales and found wanting; PARSIN (literally a "division" or "portion"), your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians. (NRSV)

PARSIN is additionally a pun on the word for Persians.

That very night King Belshazzar is slain, and Darius the Mede becomes King. (This reflects the historically verifiable defeat of the Babylonian Empire by Persia).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:09:22 AM CST

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a joker and a thief (0.00 / 0)

alas Babylon

The Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9, contains the following: "Prepare the table, watch in the watchtower, eat, drink: arise ye princes, and prepare the shield./For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Go set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth./And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with such heed./...And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground."

The song depicts a conversation between two people, a "joker" and a "thief", about the difficulties of getting by in life ("There's too much confusion"). The joker is concerned about losing his property, while the thief observes that some individuals among them aren't taking life as seriously as they should: "There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke." The joker suggests that time is running out. In the last verse, the viewpoint of the song switches abruptly. The ruling princes stand guard in a watchtower over their women and servants as an unnamed pair of riders approach amidst ominous sounds.

there must be some kind away outta here....

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:29:57 AM CST

am I too kooky ? (4.00 / 1)

A friend suggested that I might be daft from my last postings...using religious references, Rembrandt etc.
Let me be clear,I am suggesting here that there have been times in history when one could have 'read the writing on the wall'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

I did not put myself on the line as a young man to be a compromised troll as an older man. I am upset by things I hear on the street..."I don't know if I could pull the lever for her"..."he is quitting the party", etc. In some quarters its assumed that the spoil sports and losers will slink off into a corner to lick their wounds, then do what's right for the greater good. But that assumes no values, that assumes no limit to crap we're going to have to eat in the future...this is one of those tipping points, where what's important, like Choice, keeping one more Federalist Society Judge from being appointed to the Court, hangs in the balance, and I have no sense that the outcome is clear.

I'll pull that lever, but I won't eat my words, or gain the world but lose my soul.

The fight is joined for a social values agenda. Do others feel the same ?
mene mene tekel upharsin


"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 12:25:59 PM CST

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