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WMUR Paul Hodes - Jennifer S. P. Horn Debate Liveblog

by: Dean Barker

Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:56:00 PM EDT

Here's a livestream from WMUR.

At the last debate, Horn was a big meanie who couldn't stop attacking. I'm curious to see if she's tries a new tactic tonight, begin so far down in the polls.

Have at it.

Post-script: During the debate, Jennifer S. Palin-Horn tried really hard to hide her hard-line pro-life stance. So, I'm wondering then: just what is it that she didn't like about Rudy's "stance on abortion"?

Post-Post-Script: The rapid response from NHDP on these debates has been great:

(Manchester) In tonight's WMUR debate, Second Congressional District Candidate Jennifer Horn accused Paul Hodes of not understanding the flat tax, saying that "of course it wouldn't eliminate [the home mortgage] deduction."
But just a few weeks ago, Horn herself said that a flat tax meant "no deductions, no gimmicks, no exceptions" - which includes the home mortgage deduction. [10/08/08, Concord BPW Forum]

"This is a simple enough question, but it's hard to decipher where Jennifer Horn stands," said Raymond Buckley, Chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party. "Does she support eliminating the home mortgage deduction or not? Does she want a flat tax or not? These are basic questions that a Congressional candidate should be able to answer, and Jennifer Horn has failed to do so on many occasions."

Dean Barker :: WMUR Paul Hodes - Jennifer S. P. Horn Debate Liveblog

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WMUR Paul Hodes - Jennifer S. P. Horn Debate Liveblog | 45 comments

Not ONE supporter of Horn showed (4.00 / 1)

Over the years each campaign - great or notso - gathered their supporters for a rousing welcome for their candidate and attempt to unnerve the opponent. I have been out there with about a thousand or more and I have been out there with about 100 or so. BUT never, in all my years, has a candidate not had even ONE supporter show up to wave a sign. Horn did not have a single person with a Horn sign out there - not one.

Simply amazing.

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:00:20 PM CDT

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honk if you're... (0.00 / 0)

not there ?

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
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by: JonnyBBad @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 19:01:57 PM CDT

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I hate the "the stocks dropped/gained 8 zillion points today" (0.00 / 0)

question.

The volatility we are seeing is actually indicative of bad times. The most volatile single days of trading in the stock market were during the Depression.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:05:24 PM CDT

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Hodes turns fist question (0.00 / 0)

around on Horn.

Good start.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:06:35 PM CDT

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Horn trying to correct Hodes (0.00 / 0)

on something he hasn't said.

And now she says we have to "watch the accuracy of his statement."

She's really cranky and mean.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:09:20 PM CDT

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Hodes hits North Country question out of the park. n/t (0.00 / 0)

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:11:50 PM CDT

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Fannie/Freddie Canard (0.00 / 0)

Fannie and Freddie weren't the cause of the problem. They bought loans, they didn't make the subprime loans. This makes me crazy.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:13:35 PM CDT

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Landrigan hits Hodes on a pretty tough question (0.00 / 0)

on Fannie/Freddie and his committee.

Hodes defending himself well.

And now my livestream cuts out. Grrr...

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:14:26 PM CDT

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Oh my (4.00 / 2)

I have never seen Jennifer in a debate. It is immediately apparent that she is an empty as the newsmedia and other Republicans have said.

She would not be taken seriously in the NH House never mind the US House.

Anyone who attempts to speak in talking points vacant of any depth is not taken seriously.

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:15:47 PM CDT

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Moderators not letting Horn (0.00 / 0)

issue attacks unrelated to the question.

And NO, there were not media reports of frosh Dems being released to vote no on the bailout.

She is lying, as far as I know on this issue.

Wow, she can't stop attscking.

It looks terrible.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:16:32 PM CDT

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OMG she makes me crazy. (0.00 / 0)

Accusing Hodes of using "bottom up" as a DC term.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:20:42 PM CDT

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What does bottoms up mean? (4.00 / 4)

It means watching Jen means I need a beer!

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:21:18 PM CDT

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ROFL n/t (0.00 / 0)

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:23:01 PM CDT

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Dumb question on predatory lending, imho. (0.00 / 0)

No one's giving away bad loans anymore at this time, because credit has tightened in the wake of the crisis.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:22:39 PM CDT

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What? (0.00 / 0)

The flat tax does get rid of all deductions. What is she talking about?

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:23:57 PM CDT

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Ooooohhhh, a Horn "Fact Check"!!! (0.00 / 0)

A flat tax is "inherently fair."

I can't believe she's pushing a flat tax given her dismal position in the polls.

Does she not know how radical that is?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:24:21 PM CDT

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I ca't get the stream to work again. (0.00 / 0)

C'mon WMUR. Free services on blogs work better than this.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:26:51 PM CDT

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You missed... (0.00 / 0)

The Joe Kenney ad, in which Kenney said the greenhouse initiative is for special interests. What? And now, back to the debate!

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:31:23 PM CDT

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ouch (0.00 / 0)

WMUR shouldn't have read those polls...it was cruel.

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:30:57 PM CDT

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Paul did great (4.00 / 1)

refuting that Bogus Fergus talking point about the franked mail.

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:34:12 PM CDT

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This is so frustrating. (0.00 / 0)

There's no excuse in 2008 for a non-working web stream, especially from a paid media outlet.

It keeps circling back to an earlier section, not matter how I try to get at it.

I should rent a TV for the last month of an election cycle.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:36:47 PM CDT

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Maybe.... (0.00 / 0)

we need a politics bar, like a sports bar - one tv on CNN, one on MSNBC, etc.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:39:17 PM CDT

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I am thinking of that too n/t (0.00 / 0)

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
~Frank Zappa

by: JonnyBBad @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 19:03:45 PM CDT

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Dean? (0.00 / 0)

You can come join me at the office tomorrow and Thursday if you want...we have a tv.

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:43:04 PM CDT

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Have a small one you can borrow (0.00 / 0)

bought it so I could watch taped episodes of West Wing while I worked out on the treadmill.

Hey, Any one want a treadmill?

Waking up on November 5th with no regrets.

by: Kelly Nordstrom @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 19:37:34 PM CDT

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Thanks, but I think I figured it out. (0.00 / 0)

If I quit the entire browser and start it up again when WMUR gets hung up, I'm all set.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 20:34:38 PM CDT

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Ouch (0.00 / 0)

Horn hit on the Michelle's Law bill, and she refuses to answer the question. Only when Tom Griffin asks her does she say the law is a good law, but gives Hodes no credit.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:37:53 PM CDT

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Horn says that her (0.00 / 0)

research on stem cell research is right because scientists don't do research with stem cells. (Because they don't get the funding.)

Unbelievable. The brain reels.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:42:59 PM CDT

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Horn's professional leadership experience (0.00 / 0)

is that she's a mother.

Viva Sarah Barracuda!

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:44:07 PM CDT

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Dan Tuohy from the UL (0.00 / 0)

says that frosh Dem Hodes is "one of the good ol' boys."

Criminy.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:44:54 PM CDT

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Hey! (4.00 / 1)

She just insulted lawyers.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:45:55 PM CDT

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Horn back to being a big meanie. (0.00 / 0)

I don't think her manner sits well with listeners.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:46:26 PM CDT

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Here we go on the SS privatization bandwagon. (0.00 / 0)

HAHAHAHA!

See, there's other things out there besides 401ks, so we can still privatize!

And I love how she wants younger workers to drop out of the system, but will guarantee benefits for older workers.

What a shell game.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:48:32 PM CDT

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Horn doesn't like debate rules. (0.00 / 0)

She can't be a big meanie unless she talks in times she's not supposed to.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:50:03 PM CDT

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She confuses me. n/t (4.00 / 1)

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:51:04 PM CDT

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She isn't telling the truth! (0.00 / 0)

She makes it sound like the only limit on choice she supports is late term.

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." Franklin D. Roosevelt [I'm an advisor to the NHDP Coordinated Campaign]

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:53:41 PM CDT

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Did Horn just try to hide her (0.00 / 0)

pro-life position?

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:54:03 PM CDT

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Hodes hits the commuter rail (4.00 / 1)

question out of the park.

WOW, she's awful. She can't stop getting her negativity in edgewise.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:55:39 PM CDT

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absolutely! (0.00 / 0)

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:56:29 PM CDT

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Horn is right! (4.00 / 2)

We do have a Congresswoman who stand up for NH all the time.

Carol Shea-Porter!

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.

by: Dean Barker @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:57:43 PM CDT

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Wow. (0.00 / 0)

Well, she sure didn't help herself tonight.

Two down, two to go!

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by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 18:57:45 PM CDT

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Noooooo (0.00 / 0)

Please don't make me watch Joe Kenney.

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 19:00:23 PM CDT

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the greatest viz (0.00 / 0)

aaaallll the campaigns' officials
along with staff
came out
did viz
You guys rock.
Its so tough when there's
NO opposition.
Its must be
Zen politics.

Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible.
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by: JonnyBBad @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 19:06:00 PM CDT

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I have done it twice already... (0.00 / 0)

Do you know what goes through me head as he is speaking?

"Four terms in the House, three terms in the senate and his is clueless as to how state government works or any depth of knowledge of anything relating to the people of New Hampshire"

Now, I certainly understand that with a 400 member House not every member has to be an expert on every issue but criminy how did he not pick up anything over the past six years in the senate!

What have you done to make NH Blue today?

by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 19:41:06 PM CDT

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Missed tonight's debate (0.00 / 0)

was making persuasion calls in Concord....But will definitely be at Jeanne's viz!

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