Does Gov Lynch really represent us?

Does Gov. Lynch represent us? (4.00 / 3)

Uh yea.

If the people of New Hampshire had felt that he did not represent the people of New Hampshire, then either Craig Benson, Jim Coburn, or Joe Kenney would be Governor.

2004: Lynch 340k Benson 325k

2006: Lynch 298k Coburn 104k

2008: Lynch 479k Kenney 188k

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by: sdoyle @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 21:51:44 PM UTC

Sorry. (0.00 / 0)

Sorry about that I should have made that original comment a reply. I'm new to this website and as such I still need to figure out how it works.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:00:32 PM UTC

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Your definition of "us" (4.00 / 3)

it seems clear, is not what the diarist meant.

You speak of the total voting electorate, whereas if someone says "us" on BH, I presume it means progressive-leaning Democrats.

I think this is a valid question worth exploring, and not the rhetorical one it might be taken as.

Maybe, in the main, he does represent "us" on BH, maybe not so much. Certainly on these "cultural" issues he doesn't, but much more importantly, his adherence to the "pledge" puts him at quite a distance from many on this site.

I think it's a question worth exploring, while at the same time saying that I know next to nothing about Sen. Cilley.

And that a primary campaign from a progressive against Lynch would be near impossible without a self-funding candidate, as the NHDP and their remarkably talented team would be squarely behind the governor (nor do I think that's unusual, or even inappropriate given his incumbency).  And then there's the fact that, even if such a candidate could pull off a win in the primary, the GOP would spend lots of time framing the debate as the loony left abandoning the "independents," whatever that means.  So the GE would be a huge gamble unless the candidate was not only self-funding but also an extraordinarily gifted communicator.

Long story short: I prefer to think about the next Democratic governor from the great state of New Hampshire once Gov. Lynch decides to move on to greener pastures.

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:21:07 PM UTC

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Thank You (0.00 / 0)

Thank you for clearing up exactly who I mean by "us" that is an important specification that I forgot to mention. However, when it comes to letting Governor Lynch keep running until he becomes tired of being governor I believe this could be a fatal mistake. Since we currently have two death penalty cases in our state, it is very important that we get someone in now who is opposed to the death penalty who can save these men's lives.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:32:16 PM UTC

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I'm not sure. (4.00 / 1)

Just because we elected him doesn't mean he represents us in the best possible way. It just means that he represents us better than the other candidates at the time. The point of this post is not to say that he is terrible, I'm merely trying to convey that I feel Jackie would be a better choice.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 21:57:14 PM UTC

Why? (0.00 / 0)

Just because the Governor and you disagree on the two issues you have stated above?

That indicates that a sitting State Senator should challenge the Governor?

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by: sdoyle @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:09:14 PM UTC

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Well (0.00 / 0)

I don't just disagree with the Governor on those two issues, human rights just happen to be the issues that I am most passionate about. I also disagree with the Governor's tax policies. I Think that our state could benefit from having a sales tax or an income tax, and that refusing those taxes keeps us in the past and cause problems with our financing of education and other public programs.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:15:56 PM UTC

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Well... (4.00 / 2)

"History repeats itself"

2000 Democratic Gubernatorial Primary:

Fernald: Lost

Shaheen: Won

2010 Democratic Gubernatorial Primary Prediction:

Challenger: Loses

Lynch: Wins

And why are you saying "Us"?

I am pretty sure I am a Democrat, and Governor Lynch represents my own political beliefs. Not every Democrat in the state supports an income tax or supports the repeal of the death penalty.

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by: sdoyle @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:32:55 PM UTC

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Well... (0.00 / 0)

In the post you replied to, when I said "I Think that our state could benefit from having a sales tax or an income tax, and that refusing those taxes keeps us in the past..." Us refers to the entire population of New Hampshire, not just the Democrats, or even the more liberal leaning Democrats like myself. I use it this way because I feel that our stubborn refusal to have any tax other than a property tax, is an outdated way of thinking that no longer works. This is just my opinion that I have developed through observing our underfunded public schools.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:39:39 PM UTC

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Tax (4.00 / 2)

Ok, so you disagree with the Governor's tax policy.

You agree with Sen. Cilley's tax policy then?

I mean, since you want her to run for Governor.

Cilley does not support a broad-based tax in the state, neither sales nor income tax, and has voted to allow debate on expanded gambling and it's potential revenue benefits.

(link http://www.fosters.com/apps/pb...

(also on her campaign website link: http://www.cilleyforsenate.com...

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by: sdoyle @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:56:54 PM UTC

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Human rights (0.00 / 0)

I do not agree with her tax policy but I do agree with her stance on human rights. Jackie Cilley's 1/2 is better than John Lynch's 0/2.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:59:24 PM UTC

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Tedious. (4.00 / 3)

The Mark Fernald era as catch-all meme for those who reject the pledge and its 18th century revenue system is really getting quite tedious.

It's 2009, I can't afford my property taxes, schools are laying off teachers, and I couldn't spot Mark Fernald in a crowd of 5 men.

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:41:15 PM UTC

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2008 (2.67 / 3)

It is 2009, but in 2008, Gov. Lynch had a primary challenge who supported an income tax and lost.

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by: sdoyle @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:49:49 PM UTC

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2008 (0.00 / 0)

Yes but as I stated earlier that is not the main issue that I believe in. My main concerns with Lynch are his human rights policies.  

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:54:45 PM UTC

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Yes, that was so totally (4.00 / 3)

a viable campaign. I remember it now!

Evenly matched in dollars and institutional support to the sitting incumbent.

If only Katy Forry had taken the pledge, she might have come close to besting Governor Lynch in the primary.

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:55:31 PM UTC

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Which is why (0.00 / 0)

I used Fernald as the example, since he had a campaign, and name recognition.

If Katy Forry had taken the pledge she still would have lost her home town in the primary to Gov. Lynch.

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by: sdoyle @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:01:07 PM UTC

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and was outspent by Benson by what? (0.00 / 0)

10:1?


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by: Mike Hoefer @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 04:36:32 AM UTC

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Sean's Point (4.00 / 1)

I support an income tax, but. . .

Given the electoral history of Democratic gubernatorial candidates who support a broad based tax -- and Arnie had ample dollars, even if Katy didn't -- there's certainly a case to be made that the issue is a political killer for Democrats.  

One could also argue that the accomplishments of the Shaheen/Lynch years in health care, the environment, and (yes) education wouldn't have come to pass if they hadn't opposed an income tax -- as they might never have been elected in the first place.

You could also contend that the political environment has changed in recent years, and that the income tax is no longer a death sentence for Democratic candidates.  But, since 1992, Jeanne Shaheen and John Lynch are 6-0 in gubernatorial elections, and pro-income tax candidates have lost three lopsided races.  

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:51:13 PM UTC

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Shouldn't a Democratic candidate for Governor believe the following? (4.00 / 2)

"that the citizens of New Hampshire deserve a system of taxation that distributes the tax burden as fairly as possible. Our current system should be assessed to determine if this is the case, and to determine if there are alternatives that would lower property taxes while at the same time considering ability to pay as a criterion for assessing taxes."

and "support the consideration of all potential sources of revenue."

Should a Democratic candidate "pledge to fight all efforts to divide our state because of race, religion, disability, immigration status, national origin, age, sexual orientation, or gender identity."

NH Democratic Party Platform

Can someone explain to me why, if they love the Constitution so much, the right-wingers keep introducing amendments to change it?

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by: NHFlatlander @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 13:16:37 PM UTC

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Sure maybe the "should" (4.00 / 4)

but then I also think that Santa Claus should have brought me a Prius this year instead of a (super-cool!) camera.

In the real world I like it when Democrats win.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

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by: Blue Granite @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 15:56:34 PM UTC

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In the real world (0.00 / 0)

I like it when Democratic candidates support the party platform.  Otherwise, why have one?  I guess just to satisfy the dreamers amongst us who think electing Democrats means they will work to accomplish the goals of the platform.

Obviously, we should just wise up and elect more Dems no matter what they stand for.  


Can someone explain to me why, if they love the Constitution so much, the right-wingers keep introducing amendments to change it?

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by: NHFlatlander @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 18:38:42 PM UTC

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Supporting the platform is wonderful (4.00 / 1)

Enacting it is better.
In order to actualize our ideals we need to win first.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

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by: Blue Granite @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 16:03:47 PM UTC

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where do I send the check ? n/t (4.00 / 1)

note to close readers: this might be sarcastic so think twice before reading to candidates for use in their attacks on each other

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by: JonnyBBad @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 19:11:46 PM UTC

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Just don't join the platform committee n/t (4.00 / 1)

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by: JimC @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 19:23:57 PM UTC

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like that was a "even" fight... (3.00 / 4)

I thought College kids were suppose to be occupying building and such, not parroting taking talking point from the generation before them.

Come to Winchester Elementary School and see how well the talking point are serving our kids...

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 04:34:03 AM UTC

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Condescending n/t (4.00 / 2)

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

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by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 06:39:05 AM UTC

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Disagree n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: JimC @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 11:20:04 AM UTC

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Reread the whole exchange (0.00 / 0)

I'm still prepared to defend Hoefer. He's not a condescending guy, from what I read of him here. The comment was a bit harsh, but not condescending, and not a shot at Sean's age.

He could well have said to me, "I thought people from Massachusetts ... " and that would not have been an insult.

(OK, in some contexts, it would be an insult, but not this one.)

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by: JimC @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 15:43:11 PM UTC

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That's beneath you, Mike (4.00 / 3)

If you disagree with Sean, please do so on the merits.  His age is irrelevant.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:44:57 PM UTC

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Mike's point (4.00 / 1)

DD,
Not to suck up, but you are one of the sharpest pins in the cushion. Did it really escape you what Mike was saying?

I read: College age kids, e.g. the early 60's civil rights mov't, are supposed to challenge the reality map of the ruling generation, not embrace it.

It was not putting down his age, as much as it was reminding him of how he can use it to change the world around him.

Nick Naylor be damned! Ya dig?

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 18:01:59 PM UTC

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I read ya, buddy (4.00 / 2)

Thanks for the kind words -- I feel the same way about you.

Nevertheless, accusing someone of "parroting talking points from the generation before them" -- and using that as an accuse to dismiss Sean's argument -- is condescending in my book.  

Sean's an independent thinker.  By asserting his views, which he does quite eloquently, he is taking a step towards "changing the world around him," even if said views don't involving bashing John Lynch.

We'll have to agree to disagree, my friend!

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 18:13:00 PM UTC

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college kids (4.00 / 7)

yea i forgot i shouldn't express my opinion being a kid and all. excuse me i am going to run to hannafords now, they are having a deal on keystone.

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by: sdoyle @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 14:12:13 PM UTC

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Well you've been to Keene (4.00 / 3)

So i'm sure you've been to the railroad ;-) (It always cracks me up to be in there on election night (Jagerbombs in 06) KSC kids up front crunk dancing and beer pong. Political folks, including some college kids, in back watching election results come in on 5 different TV's.)

My late night response was a bit out-of-line and character. I did not mean it as an "age" thing, but more what Jack was trying to say above.

Regardless, I should have kept to the issue and said as Dean did..

The Mark Fernald era as catch-all meme for those who reject the pledge and its 18th century revenue system is really getting quite tedious.

Apologies

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 22:59:35 PM UTC

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Railroad (4.00 / 1)

I like "21" better.

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by: sdoyle @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 23:04:28 PM UTC

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Help Me Out, Whippersnapper (0.00 / 0)

I like "21" better.

Is 21 the one on Emerald Street? If so, I remember when that was a brownfield from a former gas station. I lived right adjacent to that, just behind Keene's world famous auto parts district (Little Detroit)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 23:41:22 PM UTC

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Roxbury St (0.00 / 0)

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by: sdoyle @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 23:53:41 PM UTC

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Oh Yeah, That's The Place Where The Hot Wing Place Was That Had The Wings Where They'd Call The Paramedics If You Ordered Their Spiciest Ones n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 00:06:00 AM UTC

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Advice From A Former Owl (4.00 / 1)

Mike, there are plenty of bars for "old people" in Keene.

The Stage. That place Mayor Blastos owns on Winchester Street next to where Macworld used to be (is it still there?), E.F Lane Hotel, that Chinese place on Main Street across from the furniture store, etc.

When I was there in the early 00s, it shook down as this

-Frats go Penuche's
-Preppies went to Railroad
-The arty crowd went to Brewbakers
-The girls from "Girls Gone Wild" went to Margarita's
-All of those went to Kilkenny's.

Ah, Keene. Why the hell did I ever leave?  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 23:39:23 PM UTC

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Um, nostalgia clouding your view much??? (0.00 / 0)

Boomers may have occupied buildings in college but when they graduated they went to the suburbs and gifted society with the word YUPPIE.

This current generation of young people vote more, volunteer more and are more active in their communities more than their parent's or grandparent's were at the same age.

So if you want to compare generations, where the heck has yours been since the 60's while we were volunteering and voting? Oh that's right, popularizing the SUV.

My point? Winchester Elementary isn't going to be served very well by snarky comments about the younger generation. The solution lies in working together. The only way a Dem governor can find their way out of the education crisis in this state is if they have the support of the people who elected them. Without it the pledge will dictate things for generations to come.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

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by: Blue Granite @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 16:05:06 PM UTC

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Not that old (4.00 / 1)

Leading edge of gen x if you must know.

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 01:25:28 AM UTC

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Gen X , wow (0.00 / 0)

And already you sound like the grumpy old get off my lawn guy in my neighborhood.

I can't wait to see how much young people get under your skin when you are old enough to have that attitude...

In any case whether or not you are old enough to sound that bitter and out of touch aside these kinds of comments still don't do much for the students at Winchester Elementary.


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by: Blue Granite @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 16:07:12 PM UTC

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No, but (0.00 / 0)

My fairly regular attendance at School Board Meetings, Organizing of KidsFirstMonadnock. running for School Board and GOTV for Teachers Contract does. So, all things considered, I feel OK about my efforts.

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by: Mike Hoefer @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 02:57:31 AM UTC

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Nothing against your efforts Mike... (0.00 / 0)

...It's your attitude that I have a problem with.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

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by: Blue Granite @ Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 19:20:07 PM UTC

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I like that (0.00 / 0)

"Leading edge of Gen X." I'm going to use that,

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by: JimC @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 16:40:34 PM UTC

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Response to Mike Hoefer (4.00 / 4)

This is in response to Mike's comment that Mark Fernald was out-spent 10-1; I didn't reply directly to his comment because this is long, and it would end up being one of those long skinny columns that are annoying (I apologize for getting a little off track, but the idea that 2002 was decided on the basis of money, not message, is something I need to respond to):

I've been analyzing data 2002 elections for a talk I am giving about the 2006 and 2008 elections. According to the SoS reports, Fernald raised about $450,000 for the general election, and Benson about $1,931,350. So, it was more like 4 to 1. By way of comparison, in 2006, Carol Shea-Porter raised $360,380 and Bradley raised $1,111,590 (yes, I know, different election, different times, but it does show that at the right time, with the right message and the right candidate, more money does not equal victory).  

2002 was a very bad election for a few reasons. Nationally, 9/11 and the incredible popularity of George W. Bush (and while it seems odd now, remember how popular he was then?) was a problem for Democratic candidates. In NH, Republicans were galvanized because they were determined to take back the state house and keep the US Senate seat.

When you analyze the stats from 1998, 2000 and 2002, it is difficult to come to any conclusion other than that the tax message hurt in '02.  In 1998, Governor Shaheen took the pledge, and was elected with 66% of the vote. In 2002, she did not promise to veto a broadbased tax, and Gordo Humphrey ran an ad campaign focusing on the fictional secret Shaheen income tax plan. She was re-elected with 48.73% of the vote, a drop in the margin of nearly 18 points. Mary Brown, a social conservative who was pro-income tax, picked up 6.36%. Even if we assume all her votes would have been Shaheen votes had Brown not been on the ballot (not a good assumption),  Governor Shaheen's margin still would have been over ten points less than the prior election.  Then, in 2002, Mark Fernald ran on a pro-income tax platform, and ended up with about 38% of the vote - nearly a ten point drop from Governor Shaheen's margin
in the year she did not take the pledge, which was a 28 point drop in the margin from 1998, when Governor Shaheen did take the pledge.

So, popularity of Bush nationally, and unpopularity of the income tax message locally, were what happened in 2002. Money was not the problem. It was the message.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled program to discuss whether Governor Lynch represents you.  



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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:50:43 PM UTC

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Appreciate the response (0.00 / 0)

(And lol on the skinny column issue)

I knew I did not have the right number on the outspent.

A 1:4.3 disadvantage is significant and significantly worse (27%) than a 1:3.1 disadvantage that Carol overcame.

Carol was the right candidate with the right message at the right time.

As they say in finance... past performance is not necessarily indicative of future earnings. Just because candidates in the past have not won, does not candidates with similar positions will not win in the future.

I believe the right candidate with the right message at the right time will be able to win the seat and help lead NH away from our spot in the lower quintile of regressive taxation states.


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by: Mike Hoefer @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 22:35:54 PM UTC

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Didn't Benson... (0.00 / 0)

Didn't Benson spend something like 10 million in the Primary in 2002, and the residue of that immense spending had legs through November.  Plus, the Democrats were kind of limited as to what it could do that year, and it was a tough year for Democrats nationally.  All in all, I thought Mark Fernald did a decent job.  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:58:05 AM UTC

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Reality Check Please Waiter (2.00 / 2)

As a well known and respected reporter said to me in confidence: John Lynch is the best Republican governor since Jeanne Shaheen.
He is a competent Republican governor.
We certainly need a Democratic candidate in 2010.
Cilley is a very good choice! Independent, bright, one of us, for sure.  

No'm Sayn?

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by: BurtCohen @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 00:25:10 AM UTC

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Funny (4.00 / 3)

Gov. Lynch's approval ratings with self-identified Democrats and liberals exceed 85%.  Sen. Shaheen's a pretty high, too.  And, oh yes, they're a combined 7-1 in statewide elections, and undefeated in Democratic primaries.

Burt's MO:  Never let the facts get in the way of a good slur. . . .  

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:39:39 AM UTC

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Recycle and Spin (4.00 / 3)

This sounded familiar - and it was:

 

Beyond the State House  (0.00 / 0)
Sure he's very popular. But to deny widespread grumbling among Democrats in Concord is to deny reality.
And I could have added that a well known and respected TV reporter told me after he interviewed the gov  he came away convinced Lynch was a Republican. I'm not making this stuff up.

You know really, Katy Forry is not going to be the next governor. There's really nothing to worry about! You guys get so worked up.
by: Burt Cohen @ Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 17:30:35 PM EDT

Burt, time for some new material!  



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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:11:53 AM UTC

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Obsessed much? (4.00 / 1)

What Kathy, are you keeping a file on me? That much time on your hands? Besides, so what if it's  been used before? Even more true as time goes on.

And to my friend DD, never let it be said that anything ever gets in the way of what you believe.

No'm Sayn?

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by: BurtCohen @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 00:39:03 AM UTC

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Don't be a silly goose (4.00 / 2)

I remembered that you touting your conversation with a well known reporter once before. Frankly, I remembered it because the whole "I talk to famous reporters" thing was such an eye roller.  Using the search feature here to find it took about about two minutes while watching tv.    



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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 01:06:22 AM UTC

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While Multitasking... (0.00 / 0)

...can you also call or write to your favorite Manchester State Senator, and other Senators statewide, and ask them to keep an open mind about marriage equality, i.e. HB 436?  Tell them we're going to have the most amazing public hearing ever at the State House, and they should continue listening to the discussion.  You were vital in our success in the House!  Now go back to the TV.  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 01:33:45 AM UTC

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Hey Jim (0.00 / 0)

Thank you for your courageous leadership on HB 436.  The Granite State is lucky to have you -- and others share your values. Still. . .

Do you think that John Lynch and Jeanne Shaheen were "Republican Governors"?  Given your praise of their records in the past, as well as your constructive approach on Blue Hampshire, this would surprise me.

Burt repeatedly makes statements that are backed up by neither facts nor common sense.  And there's nothing wrong with Kathy -- or Raymond, or me, or Sean, or anyone else -- calling him on it.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 03:32:43 AM UTC

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To Answer Your Question, I Think John Lynch is... (4.00 / 1)

...an excellent Democratic Governor who happens to get also along with a lot of Republicans.  That's good.  I do too.  Republicans are good people.  Walter Peterson is one of my own Republican heroes, and he's endorsed John Lynch since 2004.  Burt Cohen has a right to say as he does, and I'm assuming he certainly votes "JN" in the ballot box.  The discussion is healthy.  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 14:43:02 PM UTC

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)

But let me clear:  I'm not questioning Burt's "right" to say as he does, I'm questioning his accuracy.

If he wants to call Jeanne and John "Republicans", than it is certainly appropriate to show why they are not.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 14:51:48 PM UTC

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Don't be a goose (4.00 / 1)

I've already spoken to some senators - which I would have been happy to tell you if you had asked :)  



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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 11:12:07 AM UTC

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Great Kathy... (0.00 / 0)

Thank you, Kathy.  You made such a difference in the House.  If we didn't have the 182-183 first vote, we couldn't have had reconsideration and turn it around to a 186-179 victory.  I sent your thoughts to all Democrats and I know your words had an effect.

Senate Democrats need to hear from all of us -- that equality is always a good thing to do, and that Martin Luther King, Jr. said it well he he observed that "A right delayed is a right denied."  

Let's keep working.  We're going to have the best public hearing on this issue in the Senate that we've ever seen at the State House. We need to show our faces and tell our stories.  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 14:46:48 PM UTC

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There's Always A Bigger "Us" (4.00 / 4)

Dean, I think you sell yourself short. I've seen people on this website from all sides of the spectrum. Even the non-Democratic/left leaning Indie parts (gasp!)

In the end, if you're willing to zoom out, everything is part of one "us" or another. I'd like to hope that the Democratic Party is strong enough to be an "us" while also maintaining many disparate sub-level "them"s

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:47:57 PM UTC

You're right. (4.00 / 2)

This place is a big D tent, and I like that a lot.

I suppose I'm thinking more of the founders and FP-ers and the issue focus we tend to have.

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:51:46 PM UTC

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The framers n/t (4.00 / 1)

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by: JimC @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 15:47:36 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Which one is it?? (0.00 / 0)

whereas if someone says "us" on BH, I presume it means progressive-leaning Democrats.

Progressive or big D tent?

J

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by: Gearfish @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:20:37 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Set up (4.00 / 2)

to be "progressive", but the users define the community to a certain degree, and I think we allow for a fairly large tent here among Ds.

Of course these distinctions blur in the elections-centric posts, which occupy much of my own writing...

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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by: Dean Barker @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 02:40:26 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Yeah (0.00 / 0)

I would agree that although Lynch is not ideal for me, he is definitely better than Joe Kenney. In fact I campaigned for Lynch the last time around. So I do believe in supporting the party, but I also feel that we should have differing opinions within it to help it stay strong.  

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 22:51:47 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Why do I always get an eerie feeling... (4.00 / 1)

when someone joins BH and immediately lights a match?

Hmmm...I guess after phonejamming and dozens of other instances of NH GOP "hi-jinx" I have grown suspicious.


Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

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by: Ray Buckley @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:01:44 PM UTC

I assure you (4.00 / 2)

I am not trying to start trouble or distract anyone. In 2008 I spent 2 months working 7 hours a day at the NHDP office in Dover. Just because I have a controversial subject to discuss does not mean I am attempting to distract.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:05:54 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I don't disbelieve your sincerity, but (4.00 / 1)

you should now that "0" ratings are reserved for ad hominem attack and drive-by trolls, so you may want to change back some of your ratings.

(You did say you were new here...)

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:10:32 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Oh, sorry about that... (0.00 / 0)

I think I just fixed it, when is it correct to do a 4 rating?

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:23:04 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

A rough guide. (0.00 / 0)

0 = personal attack, or intentionally disruptive person.

4 = excellent comment, typically when you agree with it, but also sometimes even if you don't agree with it, because it's so well put and thought-provoking.

leave it alone = everything else.

We had a 1,2 and 3 once, but it got too complicated, and (folks were taking unintended offense at getting 3s, e.g., so the binary system is easier).

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:30:02 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Ok cool (0.00 / 0)

Thanks

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:31:50 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Sometimes a '4' is good just to say (4.00 / 5)

"Okay, I saw your comment, valid point."

It lets the poster know that s/he isn't being ignored, but doesn't "clutter up" the thread with a lot of short, "Good point" or "I didn't know that" posts.

People seldom complain about being too generous with 4s.

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by: elwood @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:38:27 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I give 4s (4.00 / 2)

for a post that makes me laugh. Or even just chuckle.

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 01:13:26 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

I still think we should bring back the "1" (0.00 / 0)

Sometimes it'd be nice to be able to register a "very strongly disagree" without writing a reply.

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by: This Was The Moment @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 00:42:44 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

The diarist (4.00 / 1)

displays his email and bio line here.

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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by: Dean Barker @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:08:49 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Atavism in pursuit of electability is no vice? (0.00 / 0)

Some of the rest of us get that same eerie feeling when the heavyweights come down with both boots on new posters - or even moderately old posters. continuing the Great Lakes notation it makes you feel Erie, it makes me feel Superior. I see no evidence of woosies here who are unable to hold up their end of the conversations. I do see attempts to strangle dissent. There are a bunch of us who support the core beliefs of the Democratic party writ large and are unwilling to sacrifice them to the election god. I don't care how many times you get elected because you support some harmful atavistic position such as "the pledge." I am glad that some keep these things going so that there are a few Democrats that get elected (in your humble opinion) but it is out of your power to convince me that these positions are helpful, or right, or part of the schema that comprises the Democratic Party. That is the problem with the hypothesis contrary to fact logical fallacy - no one can do other than claim a supposed better path.

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by: xteeth @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:15:34 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I'll Answer The Original Question... (4.00 / 5)

...I like John Lynch and I like Jackie Cilley.  She's an excellent State Senator; he's been a great Governor.

And that's from someone who is sponsoring one of the bills you mention, and has sponsored the other two you mention -- so it's obvious I'm passionate about all those.

I'm also very supportive of an income tax based on ability to pay, dedicated solely to education.  I took that position when I ran for the State Senate in 1982, and stuck to it ever since.

But, I still like John Lynch, who for the 35+ years I've known him has remained ethical, committed to good government, and genuinely likes other people.  

That makes him a pretty darn good Governor for New Hampshire. That I haven't yet persuaded him of my viewpoints on the other issues is my shortcoming, not his.  Or, to put it another way -- the discussion has to occur among all of us.

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:09:40 PM UTC

Thank you (0.00 / 0)

First of all I would just like to thank you for your support of those bills and ask you to keep up the good work. But unfortunately I don't think it's a shortcoming of yours, I think it is difference in ideology that is difficult to overcome. That said, I do agree that until we can get a more progressive Governor we do need to engage in a dialogue. These are issues that I would definitely love to discuss with you in much greater detail. Again, I would just like to reiterate how glad I am to hear that there are Reps like you. Keep up the great work.

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by: Will D @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:19:44 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Of course not. (4.00 / 1)

Jackie Cilley wouldn't "REALLY represent" me either.

Obama certainly doesn't - I have serious differences with him on a list of issues.

But every time I go into the voting booth I am not confronted with a choice of someone who REALLY represents me versus someone who doesn't. Instead it's a choice between two candidates who have built majority-seeking coalitions, each guaranteed to partly disappoint the most committed voters on their side.

And each time I've faced that choice on this race I have voted for John Lynch.

Primary candidates who don't even try to build a majority coalition are a harmless hobby, I suppose.

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by: elwood @ Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 23:22:13 PM UTC

Agreed (0.00 / 0)

I have never seen a politician who agrees with me 100% of the time.  And, if I did, he/she would probably be too far outside the mainstream to get elected -- and then we'd be stuck with Republicans.

I'm very happy with folks like John Lynch and Jeanne Shaheen -- principled elected officials who share my values, if not my positions on every issue.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 02:15:42 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Mid stream without a horse. (4.00 / 1)

This is what is known as the Kucinich argument. Here is a guy who knew stuff before any of the rest of us, acted on it before the rest of us, brought to the fore stuff that was in effect correct and still...... The criticism is that you mustn't throw your vote away on Dennis because he can't get elected. This is very confused. The reason he can't get elected is because no one will vote for him. This argument is tautological as a marry go round (new name for civil unions bill?). How long before we get sick to our stomachs and throw up? Which is not to say, as certainly will be here, that the rest of us aren't grateful that there are compromisers around so that some Dems do get in. The problem is expecting this gratitude for pulling back from better solutions.  

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by: xteeth @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 12:30:32 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Does the State Senate really represent us? (4.00 / 3)

That is the corollary question.

Of course, I am not talking in the sdoyle definition but rather the progressive definition as outlined by Dean.

I feel like Moses who wandered in the desert for 40 years only to be told he could not enter the promised land.

We've spent years working for Democratic majorities in the State Legislature and Corner office only to be told that our issues our now persona non grata.

I don't believe the Sylvia/Maggie excuses that they are too busy to deal with our issues.

I also believe that they are facing incredible pressure from the Corner Office to kill these bills. Sylvia and Maggie should realize that imitating John Lynch weakens their credibility and their leadership. It makes them look like wimps to Republicans and weakens their credibility with Democrats.  

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by: Putney Swope @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 01:34:35 AM UTC

Sean, a word of advice (4.00 / 4)

There's a very good chance that Mark Fernald is going to be the Democratic nominee for Paul Hode's seat, and a good chance that he will be the 2nd district's next congressman. Your harping on him for having the courage of his convictions in a race ten years ago isn't terribly productive.

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. -Harry Truman

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by: Peter Sullivan @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 04:52:53 AM UTC

Advice? (4.00 / 4)

There's a very good chance that John Lynch is going to be the Democratic nominee for Governor in 2010, and a very very very good chance he will be our Governor again.

It's alright to harp on John Lynch, but me "harping" on Mark Fernald to prove a point that a pro-income tax candidate challenging a sitting Governor in a primary will serve to be pointless is unacceptable? ok...

And I highly doubt Mark Fernald is going to be the nominee.

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by: sdoyle @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 13:46:45 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

The Irish and "harping" (4.00 / 4)

I have to admit that I had a good chuckle at a Sullivan and a Doyle accussing each other of harping. I feel like I am in a quaint little pub in the homeland or any gathering of my Dad's side...

Not sure if the term "harping" is Irish in origin but it still made me smile.

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

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by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 15:53:09 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

disagree (4.00 / 5)

Putting aside the validity of that statement (whatever you think of his past gubernatorial candidacies, Mark Fernald is very popular in the Monadnock Region and has statewide name ID), I think it's inappropriate for a state party leader, whether it be Sean, me or any member of the NHDP Executive Committee, to call into question publicly a fellow Democrat's potential chances of the CD-2 nomination well before anyone has announced (or to handicap primary races).

We're a big tent party.

Just a bridge too far imho.

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by: Garth Corriveau @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 18:13:10 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Agree to Disagree (0.00 / 0)

Well maybe its inappropriate to say that Mark has the Monadnock Region locked up because he is popular there, I know of at least one other potential candidate who is well known in the area and has represented a good chunk of the region for the past few years, and not just one Senate district over 7 years ago.

:)

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by: sdoyle @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 19:21:10 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

no (4.00 / 4)

That wasn't my point and furthermore I don't think any potential candidate viably could claim to have any region w/in CD-2 locked-up.

My point, Sean, is the principle that those with positions in the state party, like you and me, should refrain from publicly commenting on the acceptability or political odds of fellow Democrats considering running in a Democratic primary for public office.

I'm cool with your cheerleading for Gov. Lynch or any NH Democratic candidate, just not cool with cheerleading against the potential candidacies of other Democrats like Mark Fernald ... or Ms. Swett, McLane Kuster, Sen. Larsen, or your mystery candidate, or any NH Democrat.

You're a GREAT cheerleader Sean, honestly, but in your leadership position, respectfully please don't cheer for certain Democrats and against others.

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by: Garth Corriveau @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:19:19 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

That's a gray area. n/t (0.00 / 0)

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:26:55 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

true (4.00 / 2)

but a little less gray at least for NHYD. NHYD's bylaws explicitly provide that I can't publicly advocate or endorse any Democratic candidate in a contested primary.

During the '08 NH Pres. Primary, although I strongly disagreed w/Hillary Clinton's position on accepting the results of MI & FL, I agreed to accept the additional responsibility of not criticizing a fellow Democrat in a contested primary and kept my thoughts on the subject to myself (or as best I could). While it drove me crazy internally, in retrospect, it was the right call.

I don't think it's too much to ask party officials to do the same for contested NH Democratic primary races.

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by: Garth Corriveau @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:39:13 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

That is something the NHYD's put in. (4.00 / 2)

The NHDP constitution only prohibits the state chair and NHDP staff from endorsing in a primary, just as the DNC charter only prohibits the national chair from endorsing in a primary.

If every state committee member and local committee officer stayed out of the primaries our candidates' offices and events would be quite empty.

Not that I encourage any jabbing of any NH Democratic candidate...

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

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by: Ray Buckley @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 21:06:17 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

The NH GOP put that in their state constitution apparently n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 21:16:46 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Through The Years... (4.00 / 3)

Through the years I've had mixed feelings on that.  I do think it's good to keep the Democratic Party Chair "above it all," and not endorse a candidacy unless and until there is no contested primary.  And, of course, staff at all levels -- full and part-time.  

But for others who hold positions of title, I think they should be free to endorse and actively support or oppose.  

I got into this when I was President of the New Hampshire Young Democrats.  We didn't have a rule then, and since I was seeing body bags of people my age -- including a few of my friends -- come back from Vietnam, there was no way I was going to sign off my right to oppose those candidates who wanted us to stay in Vietnam.  

I know that after I left my terms there were moves to create prohibitions, because my time as President of the NHYDs did create some heartache among the then-State Democratic Party hierachy.  

See, I've never reformed much!  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 03:05:13 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Rep. Splaine - (4.00 / 1)

The number "4" doesn't adequately express my gratitude for your comment. Excellent indeed.

Each NHYD president should be good for a little party headache every now and then ;-)

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by: Garth Corriveau @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 05:09:56 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

hmmm (0.00 / 0)

I wasn't cheerleading against Mark Fernald, I made my own observation.

If I was cheerleading against Mark Fernald you would know.

And actually, in my leadership position, I am permitted by my constitution to endorse a democratic candidate in a primary.

My mystery candidate, isn't really a mystery, she has been talked about in the press about running, but she does represent, Nashua, Peterborough, Jaffrey, and Keene.

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by: sdoyle @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:50:52 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Kelly Ayotte is Running for the 2nd CD!!!! (4.00 / 1)

You surprise me, Sean. . . . While have to disagree with your pick.

Nah, I'm just messing with you.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:55:54 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Sigh (4.00 / 3)

" respectfully please don't cheer for certain Democrats and against others"

Garth, I wish more Democratic leaders would take this position. I think we would be even more effective if we stopped doing The RNC's work for them.

Politics is a dirty game but if you don't play the bad guys win - Morgan Magnus Grey

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by: Blue Granite @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 16:14:00 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

My interpretation (4.00 / 3)

I think Sean was pointing out the incongruity between (a) the ritual condemnation of Gov. Lynch that takes place all the time on this site, and (b) the offense to using Sen. Fernald as a negative point of contrast to Lynch re: electability.  Both are running for office in 2010, and we should hold each other to the same standard on how we treat them. . . . Sean did this quite effectively, in my opinion.

That said, I completely agree with your main point:  We should all avoid attacks on our candidates at this early stage, before they've had a chance to establish their campaigns and policy positions.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:09:32 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

so (4.00 / 1)

the NHDP has already anointed a candidate?  

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by: susanthe @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 22:16:24 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Yes (4.00 / 1)

the NHDP has already anointed a candidate?

The cat's out of the bag.

Tomorrow Governor Lynch is going to hold a snap press conference and announce he will not run for another term and that he will be endorsing John Bresler of Concord.

Little is known of Bresler, but all Democrats are expected to support this dynamic and fresh faced candidate.  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 22:21:33 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

You're joking right?! (4.00 / 1)

Are you serious about this?

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by: Will D @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 23:51:47 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Of Course I'm Joking! (4.00 / 2)

The allmighty Bresler would not deign any elected office worthy to his visage that was lower than Emperor of the Universe.

All hail Bresler!

(welcome to Blue Hampshire :-) )

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 00:08:51 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Haha (0.00 / 0)

Darn i was hoping you were serious....I saw an opening for Jackie lol

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by: Will D @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 00:59:50 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Bresler! Bresler! Bresler! (4.00 / 1)

. . . but he'll have to switch baseball teams before I send money.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 23:55:47 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

JOHN Bresler? (4.00 / 3)

He doesn't have a chance against JON Bresler.

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by: JimC @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 00:17:56 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

The Letter H Is Magnetically Drawn To The Charisma Of Bresler n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 01:37:22 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

I'm confused (4.00 / 1)

Susan, are you talking about governor or congress?  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 00:58:58 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Kathy (0.00 / 0)

I was actually responding to Mr. Doyle's obvious insider knowledge, since "he highly doubts" that Mark Fernald would have much of a chance.

That's why I wondered if the candidate  for the NH02 Congressional seat was already anointed.  

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by: susanthe @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 04:12:13 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Thank you (0.00 / 0)

I thought you were talking about congress, but then they went off on the Jon Bresler for governor boomlet!

Don't worry about a candidate in the 2nd CD being annointed.  The few people who are not running are fretting over how many of their friends are talking about running, and are checking their caller id's carefully to avoid those phone calls for early support!  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 12:42:34 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

One of the best stories this year... (0.00 / 0)

is from one of the potential candidates who said in one twenty four hour period they ran into a friend and asked for their support only to be told that they were running too, on the next day the potential candidate received a call from another friend seeking support for their own campaign.

Our bench is wide and deep!!

(trying to write gender neutral is darn hard)

Have you told a stranger today about Bill O'Brien and his Tea Party agenda? The people of NH deserve to hear about O'Brien  and his majority committed to destroying New Hampshire and remaking it into a armed survivalist preserve.  

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by: Ray Buckley @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 12:53:59 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Watching from Afar... (4.00 / 1)

The 100 Club was much more relaxing for us 1st CD types - we have our candidate and could simply say hello to our friends from out west and not worry that we would be seen as taking sides!

PS: Great job, everyone involved, for a terrific evening in Nashua!

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by: Tim Ashwell @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 14:45:30 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Insider (0.00 / 0)

Oh yes, I am the insider.

I offered my view on the prospect of Fernald winning the race with all the potential candidates in the race: Swett, Kuster, DeJoie, Liot Hill, Pignatelli, Larsen.

Katrina Swett with name recognition and money

Sylvia Larsen with excellent credentials and name recognition

Deb Pignatelli who is the only candidate from Nashua and Keene, and has served in elected office since 1986, including the Monadnock Region.

And then there is Mark Fernald who the last time he was in office was 2002, and the last time he had any name recognition was in 2002. When I worked on the coordinated and made calls for Shaheen we had to remind people that she was Governor for three terms, so forgive me in thinking that a former state senator whose last claim to fame was he was the guy that ran against Benson the first time, winning the CD2 Primary is doubtful.

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by: sdoyle @ Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 13:18:13 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I Just Don't Know Why... (4.00 / 4)

I just don't know why there's harping on either John Lynch or Mark Fernald.  Different times, different messages.  I think people vote for a variety of reasons. One won in his time, another lost in his.  

I know there's a block of people throughout New Hampshire opposed to an income tax -- even one based on ability to pay, dedicated solely to education, which hasn't been hit home in past years.  I also know there is a block of people throughout New Hampshire who support that kind of tax reform.

Beyond that, it's how our candidates respond to the issues, their slogans, their theme, how well they do on the campaign trail, how unified the party is behind their candidacies, how many good candidates we have on other lines on the ballot to turn out our vote, how good a job we do in getting out the vote, whether it's raining that day, whether the opponent is hit effectively by opposition research.  

I wouldn't blame a candidate's win, or loss, on any one issue.  It's a variety of factors.  And if phrased as "do you think people earning more than $250,000 a year should pay their fair share of state taxes," I think the poll results would be overwhelming in favor.  That's essentially what Barack Obama said last year.  

As for John Lynch and Mark Fernald, and Arnie Arnesen and Paul McEachern, I cheer them all for having the courage to run, and for helping the people of our state.

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Tue Mar 31, 2009 at 20:32:39 PM UTC

Deval Patrick (0.00 / 0)

I try to stay neutral on here towards Governor Lynch, but I need to be honest about something that's been bugging me for a long time towards our Governor to the south.

Deval Patrick has done a horrible job down in Massachusetts. For awhile I thought that trying to follow the "11th commandment" was the right thing to do, but Patrick has just been that bad.

Although I can't define it, and I don't know if defining it would be helpful or not, I do have a perception what it means to be a Democrat, and that perception is a much higher standard that the bar that Patrick has set.  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 13:52:46 PM UTC

Horrible? (4.00 / 1)

Too strong for me. Diary in progress, this one is getting way long.

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by: JimC @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 14:07:55 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Really? (4.00 / 2)

I don't follow Massachusetts politics too closely, but the place doesn't seem too bad off and I can't think of any major governance-related Patrick screw-ups (as opposed to reactions to press-sensation). And then there's the issue of "compared to what?" I think Massachusetts is, politically, just a rough and tumble kind of place and in the end nobody gets out looking good.

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by: Alex Gallichon @ Thu Apr 02, 2009 at 17:47:13 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

With appreciation..... (4.00 / 7)

My first post here so forgive me if I get any of it wrong.  First, let me thank Will D for flattering me with his consideration.  While I appreciate his confidence in my abilities, we should lay this discussion to rest.  This is a pivotal moment in our state's history and those of us who are serving in elected positions need to keep our eye on the ball and not be running for the next office.  

At the present time we need to be working together and working with the Governor to ensure that our state gets to the other side of this economic storm.  Our core job right now is to do everything in our power to protect our most vulnerable populations as well as to prevent long-term damage to our state.  Whether you agree with Governor Lynch on particular issues or not, he has been a calming influence on our state during frightening times and his popularity continues to attest to the fact that our citizens appreciate the way in which he governs.  I am pleased to work with him on the issues that face our state.

For those who are eager to participate in a campaign, I strongly encourage you to assist Bud Martin in the state senate special election to be held on April 21. Bud is a highly respected citizen in his area but needs your help to join us in the senate. Bud will be a positive addition to the discussions and work at the State House. His bipartisan style and immense intellect will provide the people of district three with an highly effective voice in Concord.

While I'm writing, I did want to also correct one misconception contained in one post.  I did not take any pledge (except to serve the people of my district and this state with the highest standards of integrity and to the best of my abilities) in this past election cycle.  As for a link from my website to the article, I didn't realize that was there and will make sure to correct that.  Here's my position on that thorny topic:  I am not advocating one particular revenue source over another. I believe that I have a responsibility to educate the folks in my district about the impacts of each major form of taxation and that is what I have been doing in all of my public forums.  I am open and willing to discuss all ideas.

Thanks for allowing me to participate.  I hope that sets the record straight.

Jackie  

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by: jcilley @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:31:33 AM UTC

Welcome to Blue Hampshire, Senator, (4.00 / 2)

and thank you for this excellent post!

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 10:49:27 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Wow (0.00 / 0)

Color me impressed.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 11:06:44 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Jackie Cilley... (0.00 / 0)

...is a great State Senator. She shows why every day.  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 12:21:17 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Excellent! And while you are here.... (4.00 / 2)

Since you posted, and no good deed goes unpunished, I would ask you to consider two things over the next few weeks:

1. Please support marriage equality

2. Please consider the sale of, or a charge for, low number license plates to raise the funds so that the health insurance premiums for SCHIP are not raised. It just stinks that the Governor and Legislature will raise those premiums, when enough money to cover the cost could be raised from these stupid plates that people go all gaga over. If the legislature can find money through a surcharge on real estate recordings to pay for land conservation, why not a surcharge for "prestige" plates to pay for kid conservation?    



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 12:35:42 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I Love The License Plate Idea! (4.00 / 3)

I have to say that as a House member I don't get "requests" for license plates.  It used to be back in the 70s, though, the State Senators did.  On the first day after my election to the State Senate in November of 1978, I got quite a few congratulatory calls, a couple of expressions of sympathy, some flowers from my lover back then -- those were nice -- and THREE requests to help people get low-number license plates.  I still can't figure it out why they're so popular.  

I love your idea Kathy.  Let 'em pay, at least.  In those days the process was a bit different than now and Senators actually had influence in securing license plates.  I delivered on all three, and a few more.  I did influence the actions on a couple of issues just by getting people their plates.  Silly by today's standards, I hope.  

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by: Rep. Jim Splaine @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 17:04:32 PM UTC

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Thanks! (0.00 / 0)

Can you please mention it to your colleagues?  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 17:27:54 PM UTC

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Thank you, Senator (0.00 / 0)

And let me congratulate you on your quite convincing "straw poll" victory.

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by: JimC @ Fri Apr 03, 2009 at 15:02:29 PM UTC

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You'd think 122 comments would get FP'ed n/t (0.00 / 0)

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:17:15 AM UTC

NOT YET (0.00 / 0)

We're gunning for a record, baby!

A discussion question to put us over the top:

2012 NH Governor's Race:  Ex-Senator and Ex-Floridian Bob Smith (R) vs. Emperor Jon Bresler (D-Love Guru).  How does the WMUR debate end?

Option 1:  Bresler outpoints Smith easily.  Smith, in frustration, challenges JB to a fist fight.  But at 400 lbs. and 70 years old, he has a coronary after the opening punch.

Option 2:  Bresler proposes Hank Steinbrenner as the next NH Attorney General.  Kathy Sullivan and Susan Bruce come together in violent opposition to the Democratic nominee.

Option 3:  In candidate question time, Bresler asks Smith:  "Who's my bee-atch?  You are!  You are!"  Smith starts blubbering.  Bresler TPs his car and walks away triumphantly.

Option 4:  Smith pulls out a fetus doll to dramatize his opposition to abortion rights.  Bresler eats it.

Your thoughts?

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 02:04:22 AM UTC

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For the record. . . . (4.00 / 1)

I'd vote for Bresler for any office, any place, any time.  

He's a legend.

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 02:06:33 AM UTC

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Dean, What Is The Record For Comments? n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 02:27:15 AM UTC

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Hard to say, (0.00 / 0)

b/c during the primary we had a number of liveblog for the debates and elections which exceeded 100, but we then would start fresh threads.

birch paper; on Twitter @deanbarker

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by: Dean Barker @ Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 11:02:35 AM UTC

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