Seen in Ossipee

Ha! Terrific. n/t (4.00 / 3)

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 08:21:44 AM CDT

Anyone else (0.00 / 0)

having trouble accessing the Monitor online in the morning?

It's a real buzzkill lately since that's when I have the time to scan the news.  I hope it's techy and not some kind of misguided delaying tactic to get us to purchase dead trees.

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 08:24:35 AM CDT

It won't let me in n/t (0.00 / 0)

sanctimonious purist/professional lefty

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by: susanthe @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 08:52:23 AM CDT

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I Tried to Check out Capital Beat (0.00 / 0)

But no luck. . . .  

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:12:53 AM CDT

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I'm on the site now (0.00 / 0)

seems to be working.

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by: sdoyle @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:22:03 AM CDT

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For the party of "personal responsibility": (4.00 / 2)

Another chapter of Republicans not behaving on the internet:

WIKIALTY: Someone has been tinkering quite a bit with Guinta's page on Wikipedia. We don't know who's doing it, but it's obviously a fan.

As of this writing, the page credits Guinta with "successfully reducing crime and delivering Manchester's first tax cut this decade" and testifies to his "mayoral leadership and devotion to fiscal responsibility." It also quotes liberally from a particularly flattering New Hampshire Union Leader endorsement.

Those additions, all made within the past month, were authored by someone going by the name "Manchguy85." Since February, the "guy" has also repeatedly edited the Wikipedia page on the 2010 House races. Pretty much all of those changes had to do with Guinta, too.

Interestingly, Manchguy85 also commented on U.S. Rep. Carol Shea-Porter's page: "This article (reads) more like a campaign promo rather than an unbiased encyclopedia article. Very poor article."

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 08:35:10 AM CDT

I keep telling you... (4.00 / 2)

"personal responsibility" refers to the negative results you can expect when you make decisions on your own.  I learned that at the State House hearing on extending kindergarten to all children.  Republicans argued that people who had children had to be prepared to rear them on their own, without state help.

What Republicans really mean, but won't admit, is that, if the community supports the bearing and rearing of children, then those children won't have any incentive to be grateful and subservient to their male parents.  "Family values" is a euphemism for paternal authority and paternal authority is undermined by--

women terminating a pregnancy prematurely
lesbians procreating with donated sperm
homosexual males volunteering to rear other men's children
garnishment of wages for child support
free health care as needed
estate taxes
inheritance restrictions
public education

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by: hannah @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:12:09 AM CDT

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This is much more correct that I'm comfortable with. (0.00 / 0)

(After all, I'm a guy.)

My father died young and my mother raised us. So my antennae are particularly attuned to the easy or self-righteous promotion of the Perfect Family. The idiots who spew this think they are insulting only the poor and powerless, but their casual cheerleading for Ozzie and Harriet alienates many more people.

And the Senate hearing on gay marriage had my antennae wiggling. These people think that I am a broken being for having grown up without a father.

Sorry, I didn't have a Government Approved Family Unit, you fghghsgfhing thugs.

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by: elwood @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 11:15:10 AM CDT

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On the Streets of Farmington (4.00 / 2)

When I told people if they liked George Bush they should vote for Jeb Bradley, that did seem to solidify their vote for Bud.  

No'm Sayn?

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by: BurtCohen @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 08:58:25 AM CDT

What a Beautiful Sign n/t (4.00 / 1)

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by: Dartmouth Dem @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 09:13:31 AM CDT

Seasonal, too. (0.00 / 0)

There's a bit of snow still. But sugaring's stopped and the birds are out.

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by: elwood @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:15:35 AM CDT

Correction: (4.00 / 4)

I did take down my tap last weekend.

But, as the Bradley candidacy clearly shows, the sap is still running.

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by: elwood @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:48:05 AM CDT

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Since this is an open thread, let me pose a question. (4.00 / 3)

What kind of person orders the partial execution by drowning of another person 185 times in one month?

Is it the kind of person who supervised 152 executions in six years?  

Is that an indication of sadism and vindictiveness to the extreme?

There are quite a few people on the internet who are upset by KSM having been subjected to a partial execution 185 times in one month.  I'm, quite frankly, more fixated on the person who orders someone else to inflict damage and really can't think of anything more vile.

George W. Bush has played us for fools.  Did you know that during the eight years of his presidency, he visited the Vatican in five of those years?  There were rumors that he was considering converting to Catholicism.  Perhaps he's attracted by the sacrament of penance which provides that anything can be forgiven, if it's just confessed.

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by: hannah @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:22:54 AM CDT

We now have a new pre-historic era (4.00 / 1)

and I span it.

Anything of any - even minimal - significance that happened since the web took off in about 1996 is easily located. "Great Googley Moogley!" Bruce Willis might have said presciently on Moonlighting, which is now Prehistoric. But things that happened before then lie in the ash heap of history.

This observation was triggered by the word Ossipee.

Like e. e. cummings the poet-humorist Ogden Nash has a New Hampshire connection. He drew on that to speculate on his grandmother's pronunciation of the word "recipe." She - as did my own grandmother, which would be later thank you very much - pronounced it "reSEET."

Nash's poem managed to rhyme a meatloaf recipe with Lake Osseipt.

I've noticed this before. I was at a concert in 1970 or 1971 in Putney Vermont. I was too young and ignorant to fully appreciate the talent there. Reverend Gary Davis appeared, Happy and Artie Traum, I believe Doc Watson. The Ragin Cajun Doug Kershaw did an hour-long set then came back on from about 2AM to 4AM. But It Never Happened now that the web is here. It is Unsearchable.

So youngsters - I guess you will just need to take my word...

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by: elwood @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:37:59 AM CDT

Adding - (4.00 / 1)

That dust-up over spitting on returning Vietnam veterans, which Jon saw and others question, falls into the New Pre-History too.

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by: elwood @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 10:41:01 AM CDT

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Grandmother's Recipe (4.00 / 3)

Both Nash and elwood's grandmother were pronouncing it correctly - they were just pronouncing a different word. "Receipt" - pronounced like the transaction statement your get from a business - is the old English equivalent of the French "recipe."

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

 

RECEIPT: a. A formula or prescription, a statement of the ingredients (and mode of procedure) necessary for the making of some preparation, esp. in Med. (now rare) and Cookery; a RECIPE.

It's a word that came over on the Mayflower and, I suppose, the old pronunciation survived even after "recipe" became the common spelling.

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by: Tim Ashwell @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 08:18:37 AM CDT

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That's A Very Effective Sign (0.00 / 0)

It's unfortunate since it makes me wonder if the half hour of volunteering I did on Thursday was for Bud Martin or against Jeb Bradley, but I guess it works and it's accurate and they're doing the same thing.

I suppose a world without negative politics and the byproducts of those negative politics, like the teabagging, is probably unfeasible.  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 11:18:44 AM CDT

Thanks for the work - (4.00 / 3)

If it makes you feel any better I really like the sign, though I really disliked some earlier efforts. (The stuff that painted Bradley as a scary taxer).

This sign is negativ, but it isn't unfair and it doesn't distort his record. It calls Bradley to task for his record - fair game.

Again, thanks!

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by: elwood @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 11:23:01 AM CDT

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Bah! to anyone who says we should stop talking about Bush. (4.00 / 4)

We'll stop blaming things on Bush when we're no longer feeling the effects of what he did.  It's been 3 months.  Republicans didn't stop complaining about the Clintons until Super Tuesday 2008.

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by: This Was The Moment @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 12:45:08 PM CDT

Remember when (0.00 / 0)

about three hours after the 2006 elections all the Very Serious Pundits told us that the name of Bush couldn't be used again as a campaign tactic?

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 17:24:22 PM CDT

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they've never stopped (4.00 / 1)

Republicans are STILL complaining about the Clintons.

Whenever one of them tries to tell me how Bush hating is passe, I remind them of the decades of Clinton hate.  

sanctimonious purist/professional lefty

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by: susanthe @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 17:43:42 PM CDT

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Getting To The Heart Of It (0.00 / 0)

Susan,

Think of those people you're talking about. Is it right to be using the same tactics that those people use? To be the left wing version of those people?

If we have to be like that, then we have to. Capitulation shouldn't be an option, but I think we're better than the bare minimum.  

Are we better than the bare minimum?

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 22:17:54 PM CDT

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Andrew (4.00 / 1)

 I realize that your intentions are good - but this recent  bout of moralizing and finger waving you've been on is becoming rather annoying.

I wouldn't dream of telling you how to engage with people, or who to engage with. I'd be most appreciative if you'd show me the same courtesy.  

sanctimonious purist/professional lefty

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by: susanthe @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 09:39:21 AM CDT

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Susan (0.00 / 0)

Everything I say is a request, not a demand.

But, i'll respect your wishes and try do my best to try remember that Democrats are generally not going to take the high road, just as Republicans are generally not going to take the high road.

I wish you the best of luck in the Democratic Party.

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 09:49:15 AM CDT

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Eh? (0.00 / 0)

You're going?

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by: JimC @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 09:54:37 AM CDT

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Moralizing (4.00 / 2)

So, a college student asked me recenlty if I thought negative campaigning would turn off the voters.  My response was how this goes back in our country to the Adams/Jefferson split.  So, while we all like to think that campaigning through lofty debates on the issues is the way things should be, the reality is, it is not.

When Democrats campaign with just lofty debates on the issues, it is a succesful strategy - for Republicans. See, e.g., John Kerry v. George W. Bush, 2004.  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 10:21:46 AM CDT

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Dukakis 88 n/t (4.00 / 3)

2012 starts today.

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by: Ray Buckley @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 12:07:04 PM CDT

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Kathy, I Agree, But You Hit On Something (0.00 / 0)

If you put Obama's campaign into one word, it would probably be either "hope" or "change", both positive things, yet he was successful.

And Kathy, you're absolutely right. I don't believe that negative campaigning will turn off voters, on the contrary. The best analogy would be to compare campaigning to food and negative campaigning to Doritos or something like that.

Sure, they taste good, and every now and then they help you get through that icky salad, but if all you eat is Doritos, eventually you'll get congenital heart disease or diabetes or something else like that.

And to continue that analogy political dialogue in this country for the past 20 years, if not 30 years, has been incredibly unhealthy.

I guess that's at the heart of where i've been coming from.  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 16:02:57 PM CDT

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If it's true, and it's not misleading, and it's not an unfair criticism, it's fair game. (4.00 / 1)

In his (first) Inaugural Address, President Obama pointed out that we should spend time worrying about whether government is too big or too small, and try to focus on whether or not it works.

Campaigning is not so different.  Whether you come off positive or negative is an issue of messaging and sometimes of leadership in a broad sense.  As long as the argument being made is ethically sound in content and presentation (true, not misleading, not out of context, not taking advantage of what the public doesn't realize, etc), go for it.

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by: This Was The Moment @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 17:39:56 PM CDT

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Thanks For Meeting Me Halfway (0.00 / 0)

We can talk later, better not to belabor the discussion.

For now, let's focus on Bud Martin

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 09:01:04 AM CDT

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I don't think I was meeting you half way. (0.00 / 0)

My point is that negative is okay if it's not hypocritical or deceptive.

For example: shortly after President Obama took the oath, ABC News published a story online about the "perks" of being President, such as living in the White House, riding on Air Force One, etc, in the context of public outrage over bank CEOs treating themselves well with taxpayer money.  What they neglected to mention is that, in addition to these being necessary trappings of being the head of state of a superpower, it's nothing different than what other Presidents had or what leaders of comparable nations have.  Therefore, it's unfair.  And not everything like that is as transparent; I think the public is on board with the existence of Air Force One, but some lesser known things could be taken out of context.

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by: This Was The Moment @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 17:12:24 PM CDT

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Adding: (0.00 / 0)

The difference is that while we are often as negative as the Republicans are, if the argument we're making is ethically sound by the parameters I've mentioned, it doesn't mean we're sinking to their level.

And my apologies to ABC for including them as the example in that; I'm not accusing them of being Republican, only of having published an unfortunate "news" story on their site.

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by: This Was The Moment @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 17:14:06 PM CDT

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I Think You've Hit On The Key (0.00 / 0)

The problem is that I think for now, our national political discourse has become myopic. Even when honest and ethical negative arguments are being presented, they're confused with dishonest and unethical arguments.

Taking the junk food analogy above, it's like someone presenting a bag of potato chips that just somehow happens to have alot of vitamins and antioxidants or whatever*, but is still percieved as being unhealthy because they're potato chips and people associate potato chips with unhealthy foods.

I look forward to the day when our country can have those politically healthy potato chips and know that they are healthy and they don't need to purge after eating them as long as they don't eat the fattening potato chips.

*- To be honest, I am not entirely sure what an antioxidant is, but i've seen them on healthy things. And, could they be in potato chips?  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 20:16:59 PM CDT

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No, they are not in potato chips. Fresh fruit and vegetables.(n/t) (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 20:25:11 PM CDT

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Could Someone Insert Them Into Potato Chips Though? n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 20:28:22 PM CDT

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They tried to make the fat "healthier" (4.00 / 2)

with this stuff called "Olestra". That led, among other things, to something called "anal leakage". Now "Olestra" has been reincarnated as a paint thinner, or something similar.

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 07:40:53 AM CDT

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Uh....That's Nice But.... (0.00 / 0)

Didn't ask about the fat, asked about the antioxidants. Ut oh, are antioxidants actually fat?  

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 18:26:08 PM CDT

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Flavored water is the enemy. (0.00 / 0)

On an entirely relevant note, I understand buying soda and juice, because it's not water, and I understand buying bottled water, because our infrastructure is terrible and tap water isn't as good everywhere as it is in New Hampshire, but I'm still waiting for the point of flavored water.  Just as expensive as soda and juice, with plenty of unhealthy chemicals just like soda, but watered down so it's cheaper to produce.  Weeeaaaak.

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by: This Was The Moment @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 22:10:58 PM CDT

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Simply amazing (4.00 / 1)

The numbers of folks helping over the weekend is simply amazing!  Literally dozens and dozens of folks on the phone and on the streets (country roads) for Bud.

It has been an absolutely terrific weekend!

2012 starts today.

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by: Ray Buckley @ Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 21:36:07 PM CDT

Today's Conway Viz 4-5:30 w/ Pics (0.00 / 0)

Knowing how many folks were going over the weekend i went today...here are my pics going up 16 then to Conway in front of the library and a little further south at the intersection with Chuck Henderson, who hosted the Conway canvass at his building(Chuck Roast Mt. Equipment) over the weekend.

It was chilly this afternoon in the wind, after the glorious weekend snow is predicted for the Mountain peaks tonight! Get there and vote you hardy souls!!!!!!!!!!
Bring umbrella's if you are standing at the polls and dress warmly.

Go Bud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Good luck tomorrow !!!!!!!!!!

for transparency sake ~I represent Union print shops

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by: JonnyBBad @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 20:08:50 PM CDT

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Not to change the subject... (4.00 / 2)

But all is well with the world - Red Sox sweep Orioles! And today's news includes the following:

David Ortiz's revival was another key on the offensive side. The big slugger, who came into the day hitting .170, belted a double and a triple and drove in two runs. From the leadoff spot, Jacoby Ellsbury had three hits and scored three runs. Jason Varitek added two hits and two RBIs, including a solo homer over the Green Monster.

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/n...

Big Papi's lack of hitting was sending a cold chill through Red Sox Nation.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 14:27:11 PM CDT

I'm worried about him n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: JimC @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 15:36:12 PM CDT

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Me, too n/t (0.00 / 0)

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 16:10:15 PM CDT

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Papi's Got Another Year Or Two In Him n/t (0.00 / 0)

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by: Andrew Sylvia @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 at 17:02:56 PM CDT

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Let's hope he doesn't have a blog (0.00 / 0)

I don't know, should we really call him the "Craigslist killer?" It seems a bit unfair.

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by: JimC @ Tue Apr 21, 2009 at 23:10:34 PM CDT

Meaning (0.00 / 0)

If he used Boston Globe classified ads to find his targets, he would not be called the Boston Globe killer. Craiglist doesn't get that professional deference because it's -- Ick! -- a website.

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by: JimC @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 09:02:18 AM CDT

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