When does "New Media" cross into "major nuisance"?

Hmmm... Faux News? (0.00 / 0)

They are considered press? Right!

I think BH should get credentialed. Why not RH?

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 14:53:43 PM CDT

My own view - (4.00 / 2)

The "objective press" was a short-term hallucination. The press is by nature partisan.

And any claim otherwise ends up defending the UL - which nobody will propose banning from these things - as fair and balanced.

Maybe it can't be "first come, first served" and we need some sort or readership count to keep "The Truth about Turnips!!!" from taking space while the Nashua Telegraph sits outside. But advocacy shouldn't disqualify groups, IMHO.

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by: elwood @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 20:12:15 PM CDT

Quite so. (0.00 / 0)

The "objective press" was a short-term hallucination

The history of the "press" is largely one of partisan behavior, all the way back to Gutenberg (Schöffer, actually). I always laugh a little when the Pulitzer Prize is awarded, given the sensational proclivities of J. Pulitzer. Is there a Murdoch Prize yet?

Anyway, the era of "objectivity" kind of rises and falls with the history of TV news, beginning with Murrow (who can hardly be classified as purely objective), and peaking with the long-gone "equal time" provisions that were imposed on broadcasters.

J-schools try hard to carry the water of objectivity, but I think it amounts to shoveling against the tide.

I do think there is such a thing as good journalism, including investigation, fact-checking, following agreed-upon codes of ethics and the rest of the  well-known tools, but "objectivity" is ephemeral and situational at best. Just my opinion.

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by: GreyMike @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 17:46:21 PM CDT

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Bosse is not media - new or otherwise (4.00 / 4)

He is an employee of a Republican think tank.  

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    

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by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 20:40:29 PM CDT

was he too (4.00 / 3)

Bosse ?

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 21:09:18 PM CDT

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Isn't that an oxy moron? (4.00 / 2)

"Republican think tank"?

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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by: Ray Buckley @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 22:07:38 PM CDT

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10 years ago, I would have answered "No" (0.00 / 0)

But today, it certainly is an oxymoron. Republicans have more or less abrogated analysis in favor faith, particularly fath in ever lower taxes,  in the past decade.

One of the old school conservatives, Richard Posner, wrote a column about it here

He made a pretty reasonable point: "the policies of the new conservatism are powered largely by emotion and religion and have for the most part weak intellectual groundings. That the policies are weak in conception, have largely failed in execution, and are political flops is therefore unsurprising."

Of course, he is now hated and by-and-large ignored by the party of Palin, Joe-da-Plumber, Newt, and Huckleberry.

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by: Michael Marsh @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 18:45:32 PM CDT

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"Joe the Plumber" quit the GOP, IIRC. (n/t) (0.00 / 0)

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 20:15:19 PM CDT

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Shades of the Monty Python micro-sketch -- (4.00 / 3)

"Did you hear?  Nixon's had an arsehole transplant."

"Oh?"

"Yes.     [pause]     The arsehole rejected him!"

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by: Tim C. @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 21:37:15 PM CDT

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Say it ain't so, Joe ! (0.00 / 0)

Wow- how did I miss this important news? The guy is the embodiment of early 21st century GOP know-nothingism and opportunistic posturing. Speaking as a connoisseur of shamelessly cynical behavior, I think Joe's website and related multi-media campaign is one of the funniest thing to come out of the '08 election.

If the party of opposition has lost Joe-da-Plumber, what possible chance have they got?

Q:  Did he leave because he thought the GOP was too crazy, or was it not whackadoodly enough for his taste?

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by: Michael Marsh @ Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 04:28:56 AM CDT

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FWIW, Time Magazine (4.00 / 2)

reporting on the bad state of the Republican party says the tent is too small for Joe.

Even Joe the Plumber - who opposes abortion and homosexuality and considers America a "Christian nation" - wants the party to drop its "holier than thou" attitude on divisive social issues.

Joe can't do math, either, but hey...

Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, tells TIME he's so outraged by GOP overspending, he's quitting the party - and he's the bull's-eye of its target audience. But he also said he wouldn't support any cuts in defense, Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid - which, along with debt payments, would put more than two-thirds of the budget off limits.

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by: Jennifer Daler @ Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:50:04 AM CDT

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Joe's not a candidate (0.00 / 0)

for Mensa, is he? By quitting the GOP, he made himself irrelevant.

Thanks, Joe!!  

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by: susanthe @ Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 09:21:00 AM CDT

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Really interesting question... (4.00 / 2)

This is a really interesting question.  

My first thought was that it was obvious the established NH press (WMUR, UL, Monitor, Fosters, etc) should have priority.  But the more I think about it, the more that feels wrong.  

Those new media folks, with only a small audience but largely free from the pressures of advertisers, may be the only ones with the freedom to point out the emperor has no clothes.  So they need to be heard.

New media got a lot of press in the last election cycle, and gained a fair amount of legitimacy with the public in the process.  It will be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few years.

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by: Karen @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 10:01:16 AM CDT

Media vs. New Media (4.00 / 2)

Elwood makes a very good point about the UL but for me the difference is whether or not an outlet is a source of news or commentary. New media tends to be more commentary than reporting the news.  

Bresler for Emperor

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by: Blue Granite @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 10:55:09 AM CDT

When will new media stop being new ? (0.00 / 0)

its been talked about for ten years...
'it is so two hours ago'

micro blogging is new (to me)...last April 2 million discrete visits to Twitter...30 mIllion this April...

"Poetry is not an expression of the party line. It's that time of night, lying in bed, thinking what you really think, making the private world public, that's what the poet does." Allen Ginsberg

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by: JonnyBBad @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 21:46:24 PM CDT

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when will new media stop being new? (0.00 / 0)

When something "newer" comes along and forces us to rename it.

Bresler for Emperor

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by: Blue Granite @ Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 08:50:50 AM CDT

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The Josuah Bartlett Center is one of a series of right wing "think tanks" in all or most states that exist to put an intellectual veneer on right wing proposals. (4.00 / 3)

They have the right to do so, and Charlie Arlinghaus of the JBC is an intelligent, articulate (and nice) spokesman for his views.

But to claim that they are media is silly. They are no more media than the communications office of the DNC or RNC. They are part of a network of similar organizations that I believe are linked to Grover Norcross. It would be very interesting to see their funding.

Perhaps to establish their 'media' creds, they would be willing to let other 'journalists' (like me or Kathy S?) inspect their books in order to determine whether their non-political non-profit tax status is really appropriate.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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by: Paul Twomey @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 13:39:35 PM CDT

And that goes for Josiah too. (4.00 / 1)

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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by: Paul Twomey @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 14:06:22 PM CDT

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Was he claiming he was from JBC or RedHampshire? (0.00 / 0)

I know Grant is one of the front-page bloggers over there. Is he claiming he was representing that site?  

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. -Harry Truman

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by: Peter Sullivan @ Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 07:23:17 AM CDT

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You have it exactly right (0.00 / 0)

JBC is an advocacy group. This is their mission:

The Josiah Bartlett Center ...is a non-profit, non-partisan, independent think tank focused on state and local public policy issues that affect the quality of life for New Hampshire's citizens. The Center has as its core beliefs individual freedom and responsibility... and an appreciation of the role of the free enterprise system. The Center seeks to promote policy that supports these beliefs by providing information, research, and analysis.

I'm not sure I'd agree with the non-partisan claim, but maybe what they mean by that is they will go after a GOPer if they think he's a RINO.

And you also have it exactly right about Charlie. Even though I disagree with 50% of what he says, he knows his stuff and is engaging. His conservative world view is at least based on actual facts and rationale analysis, unlike most of the folks who now run his party.

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by: Michael Marsh @ Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 06:23:02 AM CDT

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Dale Carnegie 2.0 (0.00 / 0)

One of the great questions in political circles these days is about finding the pathways to influence voters, in an increasingly dispersed electorate. As I sometimes put it when I ask local politicos about this: it used to be that everyone in politics knew that you needed to win over, ...

What the study finds is that Donors, as opposed to Poli-fluentials, are incredibly impassive in their political activity: they pay close attention to politics, are avid consumers of political news and information, and (by definition) write checks -- but other than that they make almost no effort on behalf of their candidates or causes.
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So, if you're running a campaign and using donor lists as your basis for sending out information; using voter lists to send out mailers; and using demographic data to target signs and ad buys... a lot of that effort is going into the black hole of "Donor" types, who are not using it to influence anyone else. How can you zero in and talk to that sub-group of Poli-fluentials, who will multiply your efforts manyfold in their spheres of influence?

Hint: I'm doing it right now.

www.KusterforCongress.com  

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 15:36:20 PM CDT

First come, first serve (0.00 / 0)

Plus some judgment calls made by the man/woman at the door. That's fair as long as the gatekeeper is fair.

If the Union Leader, Monitor, Sentinel, and Daily Democrat are doing their jobs, then it should be pretty rare that media new or old need to film entire sessions.

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by: JimC @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 17:42:25 PM CDT

New and old media - (4.00 / 3)

My favorite primary campaign coverage in 2008 was:

The Keene Sentinel's video blog of their candidate interviews, with informal questioning of Clinton, Obama, McCain, Kucinich, and all the others. It was in depth, it avoided gotcha stuff. It was fully engaging.

You couldn't get the same experience in the print edition (there was only a summary of the interview therein). And yet the existence of the print edition made it much more likely that the candidates would sit down with the paper.

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by: elwood @ Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 05:25:55 AM CDT

Grant Bosse (0.00 / 0)

add his thoughts to this.

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by: Dean Barker @ Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 19:29:46 PM CDT