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Barack Obama's MySpace Problem

by: Nicholas Gunn

Wed May 02, 2007 at 16:47:06 PM EDT


( - promoted by nhcollegedem)

I've done a little bit of blogging for Blue Hampshire on the presidential primary as its being waged on social networking websites, so I thought I'd weigh in on the recent Obama MySpace controversy.

By the time of Obama's official campaign announcement in late January, Anthony's Obama profile--which had the valuable url of myspace.com/barackobama--already had more than 30,000 friends, well more than the other contenders. Over the following weeks, it continued to grow at a rapid pace, generating lots of headlines about Obama winning the "MySpace primary." Yesterday, the profile had just over 160,000 friends. Today, that url has only about 12,000. And it's under new ownership. Joe Anthony, one of the super volunteers of the Connected Age, has lost control of the page he started to the professionals on Obama's staff.
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The exact chronology of events is in dispute but the general trajectory is clear. As his volunteer workload grew to all hours, Anthony decided to email the Obama campaign asking to be paid in some way for his time. This set off discussions within the campaign about what to do, and ultimately they decided they had to control the page. Unfortunately for all concerned, the negotiations on how to do that were a disaster.

And, from the perspective of the Obama Campaign?
Coordination with a volunteer they had never met, who lived far from campaign HQ, and who controlled an asset of increasing value to their effort, was just not as seamless as they would like. Who knows who he is actually emailing, they worried. How do we know if the answers he is giving people are the right ones? Welcome to the age of voter-generated media, where a super-volunteer using popular online tools and sites can become as important as big donor or a top campaign surrogate.

So, when Joe Anthony asked to be compensated for his efforts, for a sum of $49,000, instead of negotiating Barack Obama's people simply had MySpace lock out Anthony's access to the page.

This is causing quite a ruckus in the Progressive Blogosphere, with some of the most widely read progressive bloggers chiming in.  The DailyKos, MyDD, and Eschaton generally share the same outrage over this story:

Yea, $49K to deliver 160,000 supporters; that's .32 cents each for opted in and engaged activsts. A bargain. [The amount was actually up to $44K] $50,000 is what it takes to advertise on the Liberal Ad Network for two weeks. It's a minor expenditure in the grand scheme of things.

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Nicholas Gunn :: Barack Obama's MySpace Problem
I understand where they're coming from, but I think they're off the mark.

Understand, that these are people who put in a great deal of time and effort into the progressive netroots.  They blog on the most widely read blogs in the country, reaching tens or hundreds of thousands of readers each day, and barely make a living at it.  Can you imagine Keith Olberman taking time out of his show to ask for money from his viewers so he has enough to pay his rent?  The folks at MyDD each put well over 40 hours a week into blogging, do outstanding reporting and analysis, and recently they had to plead with their readers to scrape together 10,000 so they could afford to continue blogging full time.

Conservatives don't treat their advocates in the media this way.  Bloggers have done a valuable service for the progressive movement, being a watchdog on the mainstream media and energizing and organizing the grassroots, yet it is almost impossible to earn a living blogging.  MyDD has been on a bit of a crusade over the The One-Way Flow Of Progressive Movement Money, and it is understandable why they would take this incident as another example of what they see as a systematic problem.

But, its not quite like that.

They are buried a bit in the world of the blogs.  Anthony's MySpace page, while significant and valuable to the Barack Obama campaign, was by no means 160,000 `opted in and engaged activists' as they are portraying it to be.  Sure, a blog 160,000 daily readers could generally argue that those readers were `opted in and engaged', and that they had a great deal of activists reading. 

But MySpace isn't a blog.

Social networking sites, while a new and growing field for online campaigning, are nothing like blogs.  These sites aren't primarily used for political purposes, but for socializing by describing yourself in your profile or listing your interests.  People may post pictures of their friends doing things they enjoy, share their favorite music, and sometimes they may add their favorite politicians as friends.

On Facebook (another social networking site) I am friends with Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Wes Clark, Bill Richardson, and Denis Kucinich.  Every Democratic Presidential candidate I could add as a friend, I did, because I wanted to be able to see all of the updates and notes they added to their profile.  Obviously, I'm not going to be an `opted in and engaged activist' for all of them.  Once one  becomes a friend they are unlikely to ever visit their profile page again, let alone donate money or hours of time to the candidate.

I don't want to downplay the important role this kind of voter outreach can play, however.  Sure these may not be the most engaged supporters, but they are supporters nonetheless.  By using social networking sites, candidates can reach out to different groups of voters they may not reach otherwise.  It's a valuable tool into increasing participation and interest in the political process.

But, is it $49,000 valuable?

Barack Obama's campaign should not have done what they did.  They should have found some way to compensate Joe Anthony for the work he had already done for them.  If $49,000 was too much, (how are they spending their $25 million, by the way?)they could have negotiated with him to find a solution that was mutually acceptable.

But to simply use their influence to claim a legal right to the page, and strong arm this truly 'opted in and engaged activist' out of what had been his labor of love for the past two years does not bode well for Obama.  If he's trying to present himself as the people powered candidate, this incident seems to stand in contrast to that image.  On top of that, it dis-empowers others who have been supporting Obama in similar ways.

So, in this relatively new world of online campaigning there will be a sharp learning curve for everyone.  Hopefully every candidate will use this incident as an example of what not to do, and will treat us lowly online activists a bit better in the future.

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Thanks for the summary (4.00 / 2)
I've been avoiding the topic, knowing that any discussion of it on the major blog sites would be 80%+ outrage and invective (maybe justified, but I didn't feel like plunging in).

Nice, clear summary of the story.


I was thinking the same thing (0.00 / 0)
I think this is an important discussion for the netroots to be having, the one way flow of money and all, but the way these discussions generally flow on bigger blogs isn't terribly productive.

I thought I'd bring it a bit closer to home for some discussion.


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Hold the Phone (0.00 / 0)
I want to make sure I understand this. This guy made a Barack page on MySpace, without the campaign's authorization, got all these people added to it, without the campaign's authorization, and THEN tried to hit the campaign up for money?

Well (0.00 / 0)
When he started the page, there WAS no campaign.  He started the page in 2004.

He was happily managing the page on his own time and dime, constantly collaborating with Obama's campaign after they came into the picture.  The Obama people wanted him out, and wanted complete control over the page.

Now, 160,000 people later, they just bumped him out.  No thank yous, no compensation.

Does that seem quite right to you?  Can you understand how it wouldn't sit well with online activists?


[ Parent ]
I disagree with one point (0.00 / 0)
MySpace isn't simply a blog. But when a MySpace community reaches that size it's not simply anything, including a social network site. As Obama's people noted, he was answering people's questions, sending out emails, and recruiting new friends. As he noted, the maintenance on this was nearly a full time job. He was approving friends, scanning messages on the board, responding to issues.

Does it take what a blog does? Probably not. Blogs have to rely on their content for the initial draw (notable exceptions are celeblogs like HuffPo). So that's a two front battle to keep quality content up and manage and promote the community at the same time.

But even given that -- go check out this guys current page, the one MySpace bumped him to. Note the ratio of people who call him by his first name and talk about how horrible it is. It's not every response, but it's a lot of them.

Seriously, go read the comments on the page they moved his friends to, and see how upset these people are:

http://blog.myspace....

To me, it looks like their connection was as much with the community and story of that myspace page as it was with Barack. Anthony built that -- you can't read those comments and think that ANthony was ONLY surfing Obama's wave..,





In fact (0.00 / 0)
The more comments I read, the more it becomes clear -- forced to choose between Obama and the site, these people are choosing the site.

There's a real lesson to that.



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I dont' understand (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't making a point about how easy or hard it was to manage the myspace page and its community, I was trying to address it from a user's viewpoint.  Why does a user 'friend' someone?

I hadn't seen his new myspace page, but I think it further amplifies my point about how the Obama people mishandled this situation.  I am in apparent agreement with many of the posters on that thread in this.


[ Parent ]
I see the problem: (0.00 / 0)
In a re-read, this paragraph didn't come off quite right.
They are buried a bit in the world of the blogs.  Anthony's MySpace page, while significant and valuable to the Barack Obama campaign, was by no means 160,000 `opted in and engaged activists' as they are portraying it to be.  Sure, a blog 160,000 daily readers could generally argue that those readers were `opted in and engaged', and that they had a great deal of activists reading.

But MySpace isn't a blog.

I was trying to draw a contrast between the level of political activity of blog readers and the level of political activity of my space users.  Maybe I wasn't quite clear.


[ Parent ]
Sorry -- (4.00 / 1)
Perhaps I was hearing the echo of another argument on DKos today. I see now you were saying something more subtle.

The question is the correct one, at least the first correct one: why does someone friend someone? For most of those users, it's because they like Obama, and that has nothing to do with Joe.

But I note with interest that for a significant portion of the active members, they were attached to the community. So the question isn't only why do they come, but why do they come back, why do they comment, and why do they note drop you after 18 status updates. That part is Joe.

The meme that Obama was the "MySpace candidate", which was made possible by Joe's good stewardship and early start, was worth millions. Joe not screwing it up for 2 years, just not screwing it up, was worth at least $50,000.

But in the end it's not about the amount. We can quibble about that. Had Obama's people said no, $10,000, this would have died. THe question is does Joe have some ownership of the communoity he helped to create and steward, and the answer is yes, some. More than the Obama campaign would admit.



[ Parent ]
Exactly (4.00 / 2)
That's exactly why I posted this here.  The inherent subtleties in a story like this are too frequently lost in such a large community.

I had not realized that their attachment to Joe and the community of members was so strong.  Barack Obama's people, since they were so familiar with the site, should have understood this.

People want to be a part of a movement.  Many thought they had that with Barack Obama's campaign.  Apparently, Obama's people see it as more of a cult of personality.

Their mistake.


[ Parent ]
This diary is probably the best (4.00 / 2)
thing I've read on this issue, and ditto the discussion here.  As is often the case, I can see both parties' sides in this, but my ultimate conclusion is that however much I can understand the Obama campaign wanting control of the site, they handled this really poorly.  Why the hell not try to bargain, or get the guy on board as a part-time paid staffer given that he'd obviously done a great job to this point?

THe Obama Response (0.00 / 0)
If you care to read it, here's Joe Raspars, Barack Obama's media director, addressing this issue over at the Daily Kos. 

I take his position with a grain of salt, personally.


MySpace's Perceived Raech (0.00 / 0)
Its all about the number of eyes you can get stuck on your page...Obama's campaign did the opposite of Howard Dean's who democratized the netroots and let de-centralized local groups make they're own decisions.
This to me makes Obama, one of 'them'.
'Them' being traditional politicians with a modern twist. But still first and foremost politics is about power, how to get it and keep it. They felt powerless while Anthony was in control. That 'could not stand'. Typical.

Next time, there may be no next time.

[ Parent ]
nah (4.00 / 1)
I don't think it makes him the opposite of Howard Dean.

They're trying to walk a line between empowering activists, which they have done in new and different ways, and staying on message, which every campaign needs to do.


[ Parent ]
Oh, please (0.00 / 0)
I don't support Obama; still undecided, but Obama is not the top of my list.  However, Obama is not one of "them", if you mean "them" to be part of the Washington insider consultant drive chattering class.  Far from it. Since you support another candidate, and are trying to exploit this incident to promote your candidate, does that mean you are trying to gain power through typical, traditional "old school politics"? 

[ Parent ]
Nope (0.00 / 0)
I think someone who came up through the rough and tumble of Chicago/llinois Politics, is by definition not an outsider. He votes like Hillary in the Senate and is an established Pol. He nor his handlers could allow the freedom of a MySpace page to go unabated. This is not new politics, nor abhorrent. Its the same old same old that's all. IMHE the Dean thing grew out of making the opposite decisions. He opened it up to the netroots, and the dollars flowed. People were by and large making their own decsions, and by not micro managing, they made the buzz happen. This kind of thing is a buzz kill.

Next time, there may be no next time.

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Everybody Step Back for a Second (0.00 / 0)
Sorry to check out on this so long -- commute, dinner, kid, et al.

But respectfully, you're all all wet on this. Forget the online activist community, this is about Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency. Nobody owns the marketing and community gathering of Barack but Barack.

This guy, it seems, did Barack a service. He was helpful.  He did a lot of hard, honest work.

Tough. Nobody asked him to do it. Nobody AUTHORIZED him to do it. People who found his page, I'd argue, signed on to it under the false pretense that this was a line to Obama. Even if it became that later, the page creator cannot lay claim to the people he signed up.

Suppose they paid him. Well, I made phone calls for Deval Patrick last year, and he didn't pay me a dime! Should I send him a bill? This is the only precinct in my town that he won.

Suppose I started Blue Keene or Blue Concord, signed up lots of local Democrats to write on it. Then I came to Blue Hampshire and said, "Hey, look at all the members I have for you! Why don't you pay me?"

I think I'm making my point, and I hope not obnoxiously. Maybe politics really has changed, and under the new rules, this guy is right. But under the rules I know, he is way, way wrong. To name a minor point, he has created a PR problem for his candidate, whose campaign, I am sure, handled this brusquely and inappropriately. I am sure they anticipated attacks from the right, and even attacks from their own party, but they surely did not anticipate "volunteers" billing them for services rendered but not ordered.



Well, yes, the rules will change (0.00 / 0)
as politics opens up to a broader range of people and media.

The story reminded me a bit of the "Draft Obama" group that surfaced about a month before Obama officially entered the race. There was some speculation that the principals (veterans of earlier campaigns) were angling for positions in an Obama campaign. They knew the way the dance works.

If a campaign is lucky enough to attract brand-new people, they won't know the dance moves.


[ Parent ]
But that's totally different (0.00 / 0)
When you join a campaign staff, you are offering to work 18/7 for lousy money. This guy asked to be paid for something he already did "voluntarily" -- he changed his own rules in the middle of the game.

[ Parent ]
And ferret activists can be annoying (0.00 / 0)
I suppose.

But it isn't about the ferrets. It's about Rudy.

And this isn't about the volunteer. It's about the Obama campaign.


[ Parent ]
Sure (0.00 / 0)
They're offering to work 18/7 for lousy money...

How do you think really dedicated bloggers feel working similar hours for NO money?


[ Parent ]
We have stepped back (4.00 / 1)
Really.  If this is rough to you, don't bother glancing at how Daily Kos is handling this one...

But I think its important to understand the context of the position that many progressive bloggers are coming from.

I really think you should read the article I linked, The One-Way Flow Of Progressive Movement Money.  It gives some valuable context for exactly why this makes so many people in the blogosphere angry.

Obama, who has already raised over 25 MILLION dollars, will likely pay some of his big consultants hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Maybe over a million for a few of them.  As Chris Bowers notes on MyDD, campaigns sometimes pay as much as a dollar a piece for an email address to add to a list.  But they can't scrape together some money to compensate the person who gave him a ready made community of 160,000 supporters as they take control of it?

They're upset because of the context... the way the Democratic Establishment takes internet activism, even really really effective activism... for granted.

One TV add campaign can cost over a million dollars, but the netroots is paid for on the backs of the unpaid bloggers.  Blue Hampshire was paid for by Dean, Laura and Mike for the first few months before they got a grant from Blog Pac to cover some of the web hosting fees.  As they've noted before, there is no financial benifit to their blogging here even though they put hours of their own time into it every day. 

Can you see how this story could rub some the wrong way?


[ Parent ]
Yes, I can (0.00 / 0)
And no, it's not rough to me.

I will look at the article when I get a chance, but I think you're clouding the issue. There are distinctions that need to be made. I can't put up a site called myspace/ronpaul and link it to porn to embarrass him, right? The same principle is at work here. (And time may be money, but MySpace is free.)

Here's a better example: If union guys hold signs for a primary candidate, and then that candidate becomes the nominee, can the union guys then bill the state party for the time they spent holding signs? Of course not.



[ Parent ]
I understand JimC (0.00 / 0)
I'm just trying to explain why some are so upset about this.

Really, I understand why the Obama camp did this, but I think they mishandled the situation.


[ Parent ]
I understand too (0.00 / 0)
But I don't see what the proper way to handle it was, other than hiring the guy.


[ Parent ]
agreed (0.00 / 0)
why kill the goode that laid the golden egg ??

Next time, there may be no next time.

[ Parent ]
Am I understanding this right? (0.00 / 0)
The Obama campaign took possession of this guy's site and the info on the friends of the site, e.g. email addresses, but refused to pay the guy some reasonable compensation? I understand why the campaign would want control over a site that some people would believe was controlled by the campaign - that makes sense. But to not compensate the guy who created? That's stealing, I think.

Not the users (0.00 / 0)
MySpace kept the users as friend of the origional creator, not the New Barack Obama.

They have to start their MySpace organization all over again.


[ Parent ]
The money angle unimportant to me. (4.00 / 1)
This guy spent two years of his life building this thing up, done on his own spare time and for free, simply to promote his candidate, and then when it got serious attention as a "New Media" kind of story for Team Obama, they found a way to cut him out instead of folding him in.

I find the claims of "extortion" silly.

I also think it was a serious mistake for him to allow the campaign access to his site without setting up a pecuniary arrangement right then and there.

If I spent two years building this site up for free with what little free time I have, and then the NHDP took it wholesale because of some technicality over the name, Fergus Cullen would have to fight me for his job.

birch, finch, beech


If money isn't the issue (0.00 / 0)
... then why do you mention that he did it for free?

And no one said "extortion" until you did, though I admit to thinking it. I didn't SAY it because I'm sure the guy is honorable and meant well.

But you don't ask campaigns for money after the fact! Ever! Either you negotiate in good faith beforehand, or you volunteer!

He CHOSE to do this, on his own. The campaign owes him neither money nor recognition nor a thank you.

In an ideal world, he'd get all three. But he's entitled to nothing.



[ Parent ]
I agree the campaign owes him none of those things. (4.00 / 1)
But in my opinion it owes him the MySpace page that he built up on his own.

Taking it from him and shutting him out was really low class, however legal it might have been.

(the "extortion" argument line was tossed around on MyDD) 

birch, finch, beech


[ Parent ]
I agree with you there (0.00 / 0)
It's possible that the campaign, for whatever reason, anticipated a conflict -- say an issue where he would divert from Obama or a personality conflict with a key staff person. They then wouldn't want him to have an amplified voice among their base.

But that's speculation, and I'm over-thinking it, which I've been yelling at everybody else for doing. Must be bedtime.


[ Parent ]
Facebook Addict perspective (0.00 / 0)
Wow...what happened between when I left you all yesterday afternoon & returned this morning.

I haven't read ALL the comments yet, but I do have a few of my own to add:

I recently became very addicted to Facebook, and since I work with college students it has come in very handy.  Immediately, I noticed that for several candidates there are official & unofficial profiles, groups, or sites, and it's hard to determine if you are looking at one sanctioned by the campaign.  I think most users know that; it didn't take me long to learn it either.  (I got duped only once.)

But my main point, one I just wrote about in my own blog yesterday, is that social networking sites are over-rated as campaign tools.  Friend counts mean nothing, as has been stated.  Using them as some kind of poll is bad reporting. The demographic is too narrow as well.  Their true usefulness is for event planning and mobilizing student groups.

The real story is here is how the campaign treats a volunteer, regardless of how ridiculous his request was. 

http://frontrowseat....

Paula M. DiNardo
Dover NH

A Blue Hampster since 2007!



couple things (0.00 / 0)
1) big props to nhcollegedem for breaking the story down for barely-computer literate online politics junkies such as myself.

2) I agree with the folks who said the Obama campaign didn't technically do anything wrong; volunteering doesn't pay and campaigns have a right to control their message.  But, I think there was a better way to handle things.  I think campaigns have strayed a bit from operating with class, and the classy thing to do here would have been to give Anthony a few minutes of the "face time" built into campaign events and the day-to-day schedule for personal contact with VIPs, have him snap a couple pics, have the Senator himself thank him for his effort, THEN negotiate with him.  I'm sure some formula could be derived to figure out how precious a candidate's time is, but 5 minutes and a couple digital photos probably do not add up to $49,000.  It sounds like this guy didn't do it for money, he did it because he believes in Obama, and a little gratitude from the campaign probably would have gone a long way.  But enough Monday morning quarterbacking.

3)  Off topic: has anyone else notice that the 4th Die Hard movie's title incorporates the NH state motto?  I did the cartoonish spray beverage out of my mouth when I saw that!


Live Free (0.00 / 0)
1) Agreed.

2) Largely agree. In discussing this with someone else, I concluded Mr. Anthony would have been better off approaching the campaign first. Campaigns do not negotiate well, because generally they don't have to. Once they approached him, wanting something, his eventual state (toast) now seems to have been inevitable.

3) Too funny!


[ Parent ]
no problem (0.00 / 0)
I'll do my best to try and 'break down' these types of stories in the future for you guys...

[ Parent ]

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