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Did Obama do anything to save marriage and why isn't Raymond answering the question?

by: Putney Swope

Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 00:07:18 AM EST


Did the Obama administration and the DNC do anything to save marriage, or did they just sit on the side?

In 2008 then DNC Chair Howard Dean did send money to the pro-marriage forces in California, albeit a little late. Today's DNC apparently sent nothing. President Obama and Attorney General Holder's lack of comments are also troubling.

Just as disturbing was Raymond Buckley's comments to this question in Dean Barker's posting about the vote, saying that "Blame, if there is to be blame, belongs on the shoulders of the members of the LGBT community who failed to help with the effort in Maine. It is telling when one of the loudest voices of complaint on the blogs and media about the lack of progress, posts on his facebook page on Monday morning that he is still wasted from a weekend of non-stop partying. Maine needed more dollars and foot soldiers from our own community. http://www.bluehampshire.com/showC...

There is plenty of blame to go around, but for Raymond, the NHDP Chair to blame the loss on wasted party boys is preposterous and embarrassing. Raymond has also refused to answer the question.

It is not just me - others have made similar comments today:

Putney Swope :: Did Obama do anything to save marriage and why isn't Raymond answering the question?
• "Stunned and angry, national gay rights leaders Wednesday blamed scare-mongering ads - and President Barack Obama's lack of engagement - for a bitter election setback in Maine that could alter the dynamics for both sides in the gay-marriage debate..." http://www.google.com/hostedne...

• "Long-time gay Democratic activist David Mixner put it most bluntly on his blog: "President Obama and his team were zero help in this critical battle and in the last week might actually have hurt us"...At a national Human Rights Campaign dinner October 10, the president had nothing to say about Maine or Washington State explicitly; instead, he said, "I believe strongly in stopping laws designed to take rights away and passing laws that extend equal rights to gay couples." And some days later, at an appearance at the University of Maine on October 23, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, when asked by a reporter about Maine's Question 1 specifically, said that he and President Obama "are of the view it is for states to make these decisions." Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, said, "I do think that [President Obama] was wrong- that neither he nor the Democratic Party spoke out" against the Maine ballot measure. "I'm disappointed in his failure to speak out on this issue," said Solmonese on Obama. "He did speak out against Proposition 8 and it did influence people. ...I think when he talked about using the bully pulpit, that's what we expected he would do." http://www.365gay.com/news/mai...

• "As for the biggest loser last night, I'd say the president...No, Obama is a loser for backing two losing Democratic gubernatorial candidates while staying relatively silent on Maine's referendum. Just as this country will one day look back in shame at discrimination against same-sex couples, so should President Obama feel regret, wondering if things could have been different had he intervened and put the full force of his office behind those fighting for their rights, rather than simply looking out for his party." http://www.prospect.org/csnc/b...

• "What is most missing now in the movement to achieve equality in America is courage among our political leaders. Even the leading contenders for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination were unwilling to say that they supported same-sex marriage. This is shameful. And it is especially shameful that our President remains silent. Barack Obama the politician may find it expedient to hedge his position, but Barack Obama the man knows, he must know, that this position is morally wrong...." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

My comments were not directed at only Raymond - BH has many politically savvy readers and I was looking for their insight and opinions. All I have is Raymond's stonewalling (pardon the pun). This is a serious question with serious implications - unfortunately Raymond would rather change the subject.

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To answer your question in the title: (4.00 / 1)
No, and nor did OfA (afaik).

He chose to help VA-Gov and NJ-Gov, and had Biden help out in NY-23.

He should have, imo, helped the D candidate against Bloomberg - it might have made he difference.  But I suspect Bloomberg is an Obama ally.

As for Maine, that's a tough one.  

Did our federal delegation get at all involved in the marriage equality state question?  With the exception of one sneering comment from Judd Gregg in an article about something else - no.

Did Maine's federal quartet get involved?  I don't know.

Is the president a diferent creature than a member of Congress when it comes to campaigning on a state issue?  I don't know.

Should OfA have been involved? Yeah, I think they should have.  That would have been an easy and effective way for Obama to have helped without having done it directly.


Bloomberg (0.00 / 0)
Obama ally, really? I feel like Bloomberg has spun that for his own purposes.

Bloomie may have spent $100 million. I think any DNC money directed there would have been called wasted money on a lost cause. The irony is, Bloomberg's aggressive campaigning -- what appeared to be national ad slots during the World Series -- probably cost him some votes.


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It would have been wasted money on a lost cause. (0.00 / 0)
Besides, Bloomberg is the most reasonable major elected who's (kind of) in the Republican Party; he's a good influence on them.

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OBAMA - HOPE means never having to say your sorry ... or do anything (0.00 / 0)
President Obama continues to contradict Candidate Obama by still doing nothing to promote equal civil rights for Gay Americans despite campaign promises to suspend Don't Ask Don't Tell in the military (by Executive Order) and push for repeal of the unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act, and compounds each by saying absolutely NOTHING during the campaign to protect Marriage Equality in Maine, who gave him a desperately needed Primary victory after his surprise defeat in New Hampshire. HOPE has done nothing while over 300 servicemen have been kicked out of the military since his own inauguration, and his silence before, during and after the deplorable repeal of Equal Marriage now known as The GREAT SHAME of MAINE leave me angry and defiant with the self-serving diffidence of this cocky talker who seems afraid to become the next Profile in Courage.

AND and Ray Buckley COULD be our own Profile in Courage ... (0.00 / 0)
... by challenging President Obama, and President Clinton, to denounce The GREAT SHAME of MAINE !!!

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Coupla comments (4.00 / 3)
  1. It isn't clear that the public involvement of Obama would have helped, rather than hurt. 'Outsiders telling us what to do' is a powerful complaint.
  2. But I won't defend Obama on being AWOL on gay rights - both DADT and DOMA - in Washington. His record sucks. His calls to 'just wait and judge me later' are tiresome.
  3. Ray's job is to promote Democratic candidates in NH. He doesn't have a charter to act as the conscience of the party.


Don't make it about Ray (4.00 / 1)
This is not about Ray, and I think you're being unfair to play it that way.

The president is fair game, though personally I disagree with your take.

I'd argue -- and full disclosure, it's easy for me to argue this, being already married to a woman and living in the People's Republic of Massachusetts -- that these votes will go better without the involvement of political figures. I agree with Dean that OfA could have done something, but this is a social issue, and the fact that the GOP has tried to make it partisan doesn't justify Democratic involvement. The GOP tries to politicize other issues -- like global warming, or "climate change" as they like to call it -- and they have succeeded in shading the coverage of those to be just another squabble between the parties.

If we're not going to lead on it -- and we clearly aren't; put Obama aside, NO national Democrat has carried the gay marriage banner --  then we may as well let the GOP alienate the moderates, and let the votes work themselves through.

I know this sounds apologist, but the party has to pick its battles, and it has shown no stomach for this one since the Massachusetts court ruling five long years ago.



Ray's reply made it about Ray (0.00 / 0)
I didn't expect a reply from Raymond. Like I said, it was a general question meant for the BH community.

But Raymond's embarrassingly simplistic and patently incorrect answer that blamed the loss on hung-over cha-cha queens and his stonewalling made this about partially about Raymond.



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I was very clear to point out (0.00 / 0)
that the person I was using as an example is a leading well known voice in the gay media and blogs not "hung-over cha cha queens". This person is one of the most prominent voices in the "Blame Obama" sub culture of the LGBT community.  

Democrats solve problems, Republicans sit and say no.

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That's not what he said (0.00 / 0)
But Raymond's embarrassingly simplistic and patently incorrect answer that blamed the loss on hung-over cha-cha queens and his stonewalling made this about partially about Raymond.

Am tempted to troll rate you for putting words in his mouth.  Ray pointed out that, instead of blaming every progressive loss in the western world on President Obama, the folks who sat on their hands should look in the mirror.  And he cited a compelling example.

Period.  Case closed.  And I hope Ray ignores this garbage and focuses on what he should be doing (and is very good at):  Electing progressive Democrats to office.


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