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Don't Believe the Anti-Marriage Crowd Hype, Pt. II

by: Dean Barker

Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 21:42:50 PM EST


To follow up on last night's post, some wise words from Brian Rater:
This article has been defeated in over 1/3 of the towns so far.  News reports have been largely ignoring the towns that defeat it by "skipping over" the question.  They also are ignoring the more than a dozen towns that defeated it in the deliberative sessions.  My own town of Brookline voted about 3-1 to skip over this article last night.

Also, with the notable exception of the Union Leader's recent article, most have not pointed out that an actual constitutional amendment requires a 2/3 super majority.   Very few of these towns have passed it by that margin.

What votes they do have are inflated by wording that encourages supporters of marriage equality to vote for the article and the fact that the larger, more liberal, cities are not voting on it, only the smaller, more conservative towns.

Even if you just look at the towns that had warrant articles, had this been an actual constitutional amendment vote, it would be going down in flames.

And equally wise words from Rep. Jim Splaine:
State Rep. Jim Splaine, D-Portsmouth, said the wording of the resolution was vague, turnout was small, and most town voters had budgets and spending on their minds.

"This was really raw politics by those, mostly conservative Republicans, who want to dictate their agenda on the state," Splaine said.

..."It's not the New Hampshire way to take away rights from people," Splaine said.

Oh, and what about New Hampshire's tradition of freedom and tolerance?  Here's a graf from a NH Freedom to Marry release:
Here is a list of towns that rejected the resolution. This list does not include the 88 towns and 13 cities that refused to take the issue up; Alstead, Andover, Barrington, Bethlehem, Boscawen, Bow, Bradford, Brookfield, Chesterfield, Deerfield, Easton, Franconia, Gilsum, Goffstown, Groveton, Hebron, Hudson, Kensington, Lee,  Lincoln, Lisbon, Lyman, Monroe, Meredith, Newbury, Nelson, New Hampton, New London, Plymouth, Rindge, Rye, Sugar Hill, Winchester, Wolfeboro, Washington.
Let us know more details from your towns as they come in.

The bottom line is: if this were an actual vote on a binding constitutional amendment, it would have been hugely unsuccessful. But let's be clear on what this really is - the first effort from the state GOP to scare up social issue voters for November. Being bankrupt of ideas, and peddling the same economic policies that brought us to the brink when they were in charge, they've got to GOTV somehow.

Dean Barker :: Don't Believe the Anti-Marriage Crowd Hype, Pt. II
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Jackson voted (4.00 / 6)
LOUDLY against bigotry tonight.

It was the last article on our warrant - #39, to be exact. The people who petitioned to get it on the warrant wanted a secret ballot. They had to petition for that, and 5 of them needed to be present. I guess 7 people signed the ballot petition, but only 4 of them were left by the time we got to article 39. No secret ballot.

None of them spoke up for it, either. One of them made some half hearted remarks about letting people vote - but I doubt if most of the people in the room could hear him. A man whose daughter married her partner spoke against it. Two of the selectmen spoke against it. I made an impassioned speech.

In the voice vote, less than ten people voted yes. The NO vote shook the rafters.

I said in my aforementioned impassioned speech that we are not a town of bigots. My town proved me right.  

sanctimonious purist/professional lefty


Wonderful. Thank you! (0.00 / 0)
And similar to my experience: last article of the night, some folks had already left, one speaking in favor, several against, an obvious voice vote.

birch, finch, beech

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Westmoreland (4.00 / 2)
By overwhelming voice vote, the voters of Westmoreland "passed over" the vote, having no wish even to dignify the same with a more formal vote on the "merits".  

Wilton (4.00 / 1)
tabled it indefinitely. Yay Wilton!!!!

Interesting (4.00 / 1)
anecdotally that many of the towns that did vote for the resolution are those heavily suburbanized towns in the southeast of the state, which have been so infiltrated with Massachusetts libruls.  The "real" New Hampshire that conservatives love to claim so much seems to have favored civil rights.

ironically enough (0.00 / 0)
Bates himself is an in-migrant from Massachusetts.

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Latest counts (0.00 / 0)
According to www.letnhvote.com, the article has now passed in 53 towns and been defeated in 43 towns.  I don't think that their list includes the towns that defeated it in deliberative sessions.  Does anyone have a comprehensive list of those?

Updating again (4.00 / 1)
The NHFTM list has several towns that are not included in www.letnhvote.com.  I'm assuming that these are towns that defeated the article in deliberative sessions.  If you add them to the list, then currently the article has passed in 53 towns and been defeated in 57 towns.

Yahoo! (4.00 / 2)
While it would be much better to have it defeated everywhere, from a common sense standpoint, defeat in more than half the municipalities, given that an amendment would have to pass by 2/3, is a pretty strong validation that NH doesn't want to go back.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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I would love to have enough info (4.00 / 3)
to put together a color-coded map.

Different colors for:

* Towns with no article (no interest, or not enough sigs).
* Towns that defeated it in delib sessions.
* Towns defeating it on town meeting.
* Towns that voted for it.
* towns that voted for it by 2/3rds.

birch, finch, beech


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Map (4.00 / 2)
Maybe Mr. Bates would do that for us all.  He had nice maps when he appeared at the hearings in front of the Judiciary Committee in Feb.

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Doubleposting but wanted to get Walpole on the list over here (4.00 / 1)
Walpole tried to pass over the question, but the sponsor demanded to speak, so the moderator let him.  Before anyone was recognised to speak against the article, someone moved the question and the article was defeated on a voice vote.  So we count as a straight (so to speak) defeat.



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Add Stratham to the list of tablers! (4.00 / 5)
I stumbled and stuttered, but in the end managed to make the motion to table.  And that motion was approved overwhelmingly.

Special thanks to our Rep. Trinka Russell for speaking against the article, along with a half dozen citizens.  Only the lead petitioner spoke in favor.

I figure we gained a few votes just because tabling avoided a secret ballot, but it was clear early on that the crowd was on our side.  The moderator had to ask folks not to clap so much after the speakers so we could keep the meeting going.  

I love my new home town.


Great news! (0.00 / 0)
That was very brave of you - congratulations!  

[ Parent ]
Add Jaffrey and Marlow (4.00 / 3)
to the list of towns who passed over the article.

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