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An Idea To Reduce Insurance Lobby Money In Politics: "Democrats Who Say 'No Thanks.'"

by: Rep. Jim Splaine

Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 08:52:45 AM EDT


My friend Ray Buckley and I have been having a rather spirited  (it happens) discussion in another thread about the insurance industry, and -- in general -- political contributions.  I should start by saying that I appreciate all of our Democratic State Senators (in recent weeks more than ever) and the fact that we have Democratic majorities in the New Hampshire House and Senate.  Ray is in large part -- though not exclusively -- responsible for that achievement.  So, what I write here isn't about "him" or "them" or "us."  

What I write here is about changing a political system regardless of who is in the majority, irrespective of whomever is "in power" at a given time, so that we can guarantee more honesty in our system of democratic government.  

There is no doubt, or there should not be, that political contributions = influence.  Do we REALLY think that $500 or $1,000 donations from a business or a corporation isn't considered by those donating as a cost of doing business?  Do they do this just for the cause of democracy? If they do, thank you very much.  But I can surmise that many do not -- that they DO want something for their checks, i.e. access, extra persuasion, perhaps even expecting a vote in favor of their position if all other things are equal, maybe even the perverbal political leg up on that push-comes-to-shove issue they want.  
 

Rep. Jim Splaine :: An Idea To Reduce Insurance Lobby Money In Politics: "Democrats Who Say 'No Thanks.'"
And do we really believe that the contributions have no influence, directly or indirectly, on the decisions which those receiving them make?  We've seen examples in both political parties where that's exactly what happens, and not just in Illinois and Massachusetts.  

There are two actions in the works that might reduce the influence and power of political donations.

1.  The Granny D Task Force. Right now, a nine-member "Citizen Funded Election Task Force" is working itself through the Legislature.  It is House Bill 513 http://www.gencourt.state.nh.u...  and is the result of the Granny D Commission that last year worked for several months to explore the concept, promoted by that wonderful woman who is in her 100th year, of having a voluntary public-funded campaign system available for candidates who wish to avoid the fundraising that puts them at the feet of large contributors.  It's a system at work in a dozen other states.  It can work here.  The Commission will report back with suggested legislation to create such a plan on December 1, 2010.

2.  Prohibiting Donations From Corporations. Legislation is in the works and again will be introduced this Fall for next January's Legislative Session to prohibit contributions from corporations.  Right now, New Hampshire is one of just a few states where corporations can contribute to political campaigns and parties directly out of their treasuries, and they -- the corporations -- don't have to file reports of those contributions to the Secretary of State's Office.   That kind of financial influence -- companies buying candidates, or at least paying for their election to office -- is something that should be stopped.  Republicans in particular have benefited from that kind of fundraising in the past.

But those changes will take a while to accomplish.  

In the meantime, what I think should happen is that Democratic Party Chair Ray Buckley should challenge Republican Party Chair John Sununu to reject ALL donations from the insurance industry, no matter how small or how large, while the debate about health care continues in Washington. The insurance lobby wants to protect its "middleperson" status where they can sponge as many dollars out of health care as they can.  Let's disarm the political influence of the insurance lobby over candidates by just saying "no" to their dollars.

Further, all candidates for public office in 2010 should refuse to seek or accept money from the insurance industry.  They're in the business of making money, and they will make more money by fighting against real health care reform.

Both political parties and their candidates should stand above being bought and paid for.  And yes, that is what happens way too often as a result of political donations.  I'm not insulting anyone's character by pointing that out.  Just stating a fact.  We need to clean up politics, not justify more dollars to influence it.

If the Republicans don't refuse the cash, our Democratic candidates, at least, should say "no." That doesn't disarm our candidates -- it empowers them to come up with a health care plan that isn't just profit-centered to make the insurance industry happy.  Voters will understand that voting for "Democrats Who Say 'No Thanks'" they'll be putting people in office who will do the job for the American people, not for insurance companies.  That's a decent advantage in the next election.  

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Especially timely (4.00 / 2)
given the recent developments in New York, which it seems were triggered largely by a billionaire donor outraged that his contributions hadn't bought him greater clout among the Democrats, so he moved to buy a few of them by giving them leadership positions in a Republican majority. The best democracy money can buy.

look here (4.00 / 1)
posted on another thread
Golisanos follies
http://www.bluehampshire.com/s...

www.KusterforCongress.com

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My take.... (4.00 / 2)
I see campaign contributions as a form of political speech which should be protected. To that end, I oppose any restrictions on how much individuals can contribute (people already find ways around those laws anyway). We should strengthen the accountability side of the equation, not further restrict individuals.

Publicly funded campaigns level the playing field among Democrats and Republicans, but would continue to handicap your Greens, Libertarians, other small parties, and even less-known candidates of the major parties by presenting them even more barriers to entry than the absurd amount currently foisted upon them.

However, corporations are not people, they're state-created "people" with special privileges, and ought not be treated as if they have natural or constitutional rights like individuals. There is no reason (aside from chronyism and corruption) to allow corporations to make campaign contributions.

Classical Liberal since 1983


Good points (4.00 / 2)
I agree, the flip side is that if people can contribute and corporations can't, the corporatins will give through thier people.  Contibutions tend to "buy" limited access at a fund raiser to lobby for an industry's interests in legislation, where the corporation wants to maintain or obtain an advantage.  The advantages are generally good for business and the residents who work for the corporation.

Where it goes wrong is when a corporation looks beyond its collective industry and wants specific support from legislators; some of this is appropriate, but some of it isn't.  The test is determining when the community good is overshadowed by the corporations good.


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Campaign Finance (4.00 / 1)
Some ideas I had:

1. No limits, full disclosure. (But you have to be 18 or over to donate -- no donations in the name of your four-year-old.)

2. Party giving or candidate giving, but no mix. A candidate with a surplus must give it to the town or state he/she lives in (at retirement, not annually).

3. NO BUNDLING. No third party giving of any kind other than party donations allocated to candidates.

4. Public officials can accept gifts, but gifts over a certain value ($100? $500?) must be reported to the state Office of Campaign and Political Finance or the Federal Election Commission.

But wait, there's more ...

5. Candidates who qualify for the ballot are allotted X number of television hours at a specified rate. Candidates can buy more, but no candidate is excluded from TV advertising.

6. Ditto with radio.

It's just a start. When I posted this on Blue Mass Group, someone claimed most radio stations refuse political ads. I found that hard to believe, but I haven't had a chance to confirm or deny it.



Radio stations (4.00 / 2)
Radio stations are required by law to provide candidates at the LOWEST rate they provide for their advertisers.

The loophole is that if they refuse all candidates for a specific office they do not have to provide the revenue losing opportunities for candidates.

In the days when new cars were rolled out in September the stations who ran ads for candidates were losing thousands by not having that time available for auto dealers' ads.

I believe the same is true for television but since WMUR has never met a customer it didn't love, I have never had to deal with that issue.... : )

Doing my best to elect NH Democrats since 1968 and getting better at it every year!


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If you legalize gifts to public officials , arent you legalizing bribery? (4.00 / 1)
Why would you want to do that? There are reasonable limitations available in the ethics codes of several states. Why open up the floodgates to legalized buying of politicians? I would ban  gifts  from non related people doing business with the agency that a public official represents. This would mean that lobbyists can't buy legislators lunch ( we can give them all a meal ticket to the state house cafeteria).

I also dont understand the utility of no limits on donations. Those with money will totally drown out other voices if we do that.

I think 5 and 6 are the best ideas. The broadcasting licenses are public property and if people want them they should have to do a certain amount of public service including ads during campaigns ( with limits of course). This is done in many countries including the UK with little problem.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


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That happens anyway (0.00 / 0)
Gifts are already given -- say, in the form of Red Sox tickets given to an aide but intended for the elected official. And those with money already speak louder in the process.

I'm operating from the premise that money always finds a way in, so better to shine sunlight on it and hope for an engaged electorate.

In California, for instance, everyone knew Darrell Issa personally financed the Gray Davis recall vote -- but that didn't matter, they were unhappy enough to recall Davis regardless.

In Massachusetts, state employees cannot handle campaign donations. I once saw a candidate's wife decline to touch an envelope with a check, but instead point to a table where they were being collected. So rather than regulate arcana like that, I just want to know who's giving what to who.



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Gifts are given, including baseball tickets, and people get indicted (0.00 / 0)
for giving tickets to staffers, including one of Judd Gregg's erstwhile helpers.

I understand your point about money being like water in its ability to penetrate, but I dont think it makes sense to give up the fight.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


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I don't see it as giving up (4.00 / 1)
Water is a good metaphor, but it's not water getting in. Politics sails on an ocean of money.

I want a map.


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Maps are important. (4.00 / 2)
But if you turn the whole world into ocean, they are of limited utility. Just ask the pre-Ararat Noah.

I'm just not convinced you have to choose between limiting the effect of money on politics and disclosure. That said, disclosure can be a powerful tool-- I sense that Congress members are significantly more circumspect in their abuse of earmarks since Obama and others filed legislation that made the names of earmarks sponsors public.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
But you have to choose where to start, and transparency is always defensible.

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Different Angle (4.00 / 3)
I know it is not an immediate solution to the problems you describe but why not push for public financing of political campaigns instead? That would eliminate donations from those who can afford undue influence and also allow those who cannot afford to run for public office to participate fully.

I also think your premise is partly wrong. Political contributions may give the contributor greater access to the politician and sometimes buy a vote, but not always. Shouldn't we have greater faith in the integrity of our elected officials?


Public financing (0.00 / 0)
In broad terms, how would you administer public financing of campaigns? For example, if you decide each Senate nominee gets $5 million, does that go to just the Republican and Democrat? What it a candidate wants to spend private money over the limit?

Totally agree on the greater faith and trust. We are too quick to judge.


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Judging from the lunacy in NY, (0.00 / 0)
there is an expected "quid pro quo" with contributions. Ideally, it shouldn't be that way, but it is. It is very, very unusual for people to give large amounts of money as a totally free donation, with no strings attached.

From The New York Times (bold mine)

Mr. Golisano, a billionaire business executive, had spent heavily to help Mr. Smith and other Democrats win control of the Senate in the November election, and was angry to hear they were now planning to raise taxes on the wealthy. He expected an audience befitting a major financial patron.

Instead, Golisano was insulted because Mr. Smith was more interested in his Blackberry than in doing Golisano's bidding.

That meeting led to the dramatic collapse Monday of the Democrats' grip on the Senate majority as a frustrated Mr. Golisano secretly planned with Republicans to persuade two Democrats to join them in ousting Mr. Smith.

So a billionaire "patron" is insulted and swings the balance of power of the government of a very large state. "Patrons" are supposed to be supporting artists, not buying governments.

Not to mention the fact that the two Democrats Golisano enlisted are  looking at spending quality time with the judiciary branch, one for using cut glass as a weapon against his girlfriend and the other for shady dealings with his non-profit organizations. Oh, and the second one apparently doesn't live in the Bronx district he represents, either.

Unfortunately, most citizens are not aware of what goes on in their state governments. We're more aware of the national and international scene. But the powers not granted to the federal government are left to the states. And there are lots of 'em.


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In this case (0.00 / 0)
Can we really blame the billionaire? How did he "persuade" the two Democrats?

Sheesh, upthread I'm calling for greater faith, and now I'm assuming the worst about those two.

Then again, they have some 'splaining to do.


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The way it works in Maine is that it takes a certain amount of small donations to trigger public money. (4.00 / 2)

ie, X number of people giving the candidate $5 donations qualifies her to recieve Y amount of public financing.

I believe it is a voluntary system that more and more people are buying into. People who opt in are likely to be outspent by those with means who dont opt in, but at least they have the ability to raise enough money to present their positions with engaging in unnatural acts. It seems to be working.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  


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Sounds similar to "Clean Elections" here (4.00 / 1)
But, with Clean Elections, you had to raise something like at least $5 from XXX number of voters. It was a high bar.

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The focus of campaign finance reform on the behavior of (0.00 / 0)
donors, rather than recipients (actual and potential office holders) has been misplaced.  Our system of government isn't set up to control the behavior of the ordinary citizen; it's to control the behavior of our agents of government.  That's why we have laws that make accepting a bribe a crime.  Anticipatory bribes are no better than bribes after the fact.  Our agents are being paid to represent the public interest.  Getting paid twice is a sign of corruption.
Neither individual citizens, nor corporations should have to contribute a farthing to get access to our legislative, executive and judicial agents of government.  Accessibility should be a sine qua non.
On the other hand, publicizing a candidate's qualifications, experience and potential for providing good public service does have a cost--a cost that should be easy to bear by people who support a particular candidate and are eager to see him/her in office--i.e. people who are qualified to vote for a candidate should be able to spend what they want in support of the candidacy and the funds don't have to go through the candidate's coffers to accomplish that.
We citizens need to take our government back by getting more intimately involved.  Letting professional publicists craft clever messages is lazy citizenship.  "Persuade me" is the mark of lazy citizenship.  "Let George do it," is a sign of lazy citizenship.

With as little as i make, (4.00 / 3)
I've donated to candidates before.

But i seriously disagree with the idea that giving money = free speech and is a good and right thing in politics.

My boss makes three times as much as i do:

Is his voice three times as important as mine?  

Do his issues deserve three times as much attention as mine?

Its not right.  Its not democratic.


Flip it (0.00 / 0)
Let's say you makes three times what your boss does. But the law says you can only donate x dollars to the Barker for Congress campaign. Are you happy to save the nondonated money, or are you pissed?

I agree with you that money isn't speech, but it's not an either/or. Obama won in no small part because he raised so much cash.


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Buckley v. Valeo 1975 n/t (0.00 / 0)


Doing my best to elect NH Democrats since 1968 and getting better at it every year!

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Link (0.00 / 0)
I see your point.

Do you see mine?


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What i mean to say is: (4.00 / 1)
isn't there some sort of balance to strike???

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as long as money is regarded as speech (0.00 / 0)
the wealthy will continue to be represented and the non-wealthy will continue not to be.

There are degrees of speech - and corporate America gets to sing to our elected officials 24/7. No wonder they get to write legislation. People who are unemployed or living in poverty  are not writing legislation. They aren't even on the radar - they can't buy the right to be heard.

This is why there is no progress beyond the merely cosmetic. The last thing the folks with the most speech want is to disrupt the status quo.


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OK (0.00 / 0)
But what is the alternative?

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The Alternative Is To Say "NO" (0.00 / 0)
The alternative is to say "no" to accepting contributions from those businesses and companies and lobbyists and corporations that you know want to influence you in a way that benefits their interest IF you really don't already believe in what they want you to do.  

I can't imagine ANY insurance lobbyist or company which might offer a $500 or $1,000 contribution that would want a candidate to do something that would protect the consumer vs. the health care industry.  So, asking our Democratic candidates -- and challenging the Republican candidates -- to say "no thanks" is a way to make sure there is more independence in the decision-making leading to health care reform.  


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An incoherent Charlie Foxtrot of a decision (0.00 / 0)
Intellectually dubious at best. It ranks up there with Bowers v Hardwick in the Modern Bad Decisions Hall of Fame

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. -Harry Truman

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Democrats and the Insurance Industry (4.00 / 1)
Some Democrats take money from the gambling industry, others choose not to. Of course that's fine. I always figured if the gun industry wanted to give me money, I might take it but I'd still vote against them. Of course they'd never give me a dime, 'cause they know that.

This is a crucial moment for reform of health care.
I can't imagine Democrats who don't see the health insurance industry as The Problem. I would think this recognition would be, and should be, universal among office holders and seekers.

No'm Sayn?


Tobacco Industry money... (0.00 / 0)
During my dozen or so campaigns I always accepted tobacco money. But...

My first bill as a freshman in 1987 was to prohibit smoking on school property.

I sponsored the tobacco tax increase, five or six times.

I sponsored legislation increasing the fine for stores who sell to minors.

I sponsord the legislation to force the industry to discose the poisons in their product.

I sponsored...oh jeesh about another dozen bills... many that became law.

Only once did a lobbyist mention his donation to me when he wanted a vote. I immediately kicked him out of my office and did not speak to him again as long as I was in the legislature.

The vast majority of folks I have known in politics are are highly principled elecred officials that absolutely would never be bought. Those who do get bought deserve to lose.


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