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Winning the Policy Debate - Clinton over Obama

by: gradysdad

Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 08:59:13 AM EST


Calling all policy wonks - Those of you who pride themselves on making their decision about whom to vote on the policies/positions/proposals of the candidates running.  For the moment, set aside all the poll numbers and arguments about electability.  Take a break and just forget those petty character assassinations of your least favorite candidate.  

Let's have a policy debate!

There probably is really not much general policy difference between the Democratic candidates on issues important to Democratic voters. Nevertheless, in my honest opinion, there are at least three key areas which affect all of us in which Senator Clinton's policies/positions/proposals are arguably superior to Senator Obama's policies/positions/proposals.

They are good reasons based upon policy why people should vote for Senator Clinton over Senator Obama.

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I wanted to make it as thorough as possible.  Due to space and time, I have concentrated on differences between the current frontrunners.

Full disclosure:  I am a New Hampshire volunteer for and enthusiastic supporter of Hillary Clinton.

gradysdad :: Winning the Policy Debate - Clinton over Obama
1.  Healthcare Reform

Remember in March when the candidates attended the SEIU Healthcare forum in Nevada?  According to some observers, Senator Obama stumbled a bit.  He seemed overwhelmed and unprepared in his presentation. In response to questioners' demand for more specifics, Senator Obama pleaded sensibly for more time.  He spoke in principles in lieu of a plan:  "Number one, we are going to have to make sure that everyone is in." Well, when Senator Obama released his plan, he did not make sure that everyone was in.

In contrast, Hillary Clinton, who at the time of the forum, had not released a detailed plan, so few at the event were looking to Senator Clinton for details, as her public record was so well-known, and her policy commitments so lengthily expressed.  Now released, Senator Clinton's healthcare reform plan makes sure that everyone is covered and she provides the mechanisms to address the affordability issue for individuals and small businesses.

Senator Obama's healthcare proposal clearly fails the universality test. At least 15 million Americans will not be covered by his plan.

Outside experts agree that number is in the ballpark. If people aren't required by law to buy insurance, many won't. There are millions of children, for instance, who remain uninsured, even though they qualify for free or subsidized government programs.

Senator Obama argues affordability should come first before universality.  But his argument doesn't hold up.

Ken Thorpe, a health-policy expert at Emory University who has advised all three major Democrats, said he ran cost estimates for the Clinton plan at the Clinton campaign's request, and found there should be enough money to make insurance affordable for all.

Both plans cost the same. But Senator Obama attempts to lower the cost of insurance overall through a reinsurance plan, whereby the federal government would cover some expenses of some of the most costly patients.  That initiative will cost tens of billions of dollars.  While it may help lower premiums across the board, there will be less money available for direct subsidies.

The reason almost all of the progressive health reform community supports an individual mandate found in Senator Clinton's health reform plan and not in Senator Obama's plan is that it is crucial to reforming the insurance industry.   You have to do something to solve the selection problems that are screwing up the system. You create a mandate so everyone will have coverage. The insurers then cannot risk select the healthiest applicants and the applicants cannot game the system  by waiting to buy coverage when they need it.

Ezra Klein, a nationally noted blogger and an acknowledged health care reform expert, states it succinctly:

It's worth noting that the need for universality -- either through an employer mandate, a government mandate, or an individual one -- wasn't a controversial point among liberals until Obama brought out a plan without a mandate of any sort. Indeed, his plan is, in some ways, the worst of both worlds: It eschews single payer and its close relatives for the more moderate, less expansive, less disruptive structural design that mandates were created to complete, but also doesn't have a mandate. So the mechanism for building on and reforming the system is broken, but he doesn't construct something new to replace it.

2.  Energy / Environment

David Roberts of the blog Grist has a great summary of all the candidates' positions regarding energy and climate change issues.  The Clinton and Obama's proposals received very complimentary remarks.

The review says that Clinton's plan was "one of the most comprehensive and well researched energy plans of the campaign season" and "in typical Clinton fashion with all the "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed." The two biggest areas of focus in her plan are efficiency and investment.

Senator Obama's plan is described as "thoughtful, detailed, expansive and ambitious." "If the white paper accurately reflects Obama's head and heart, he's in the (now crowded) top tier of this issue, along with Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, and Clinton."

It is great that both the candidates have first class plans for the future in the areas of energy and climate control, but you really have to look to the candidates' voting records to understand the real difference between the two in this area.

In the first place, Senator Obama voted for the 2005 Bush pork-riddled, Earth-hating Energy Bill while Senator Clinton joined 26 other Senators in voting against it.

That bill was widely criticized at the time as a boondoggle to the oil and ethanol industries.  This article in Salon highlighted the disappointment many environmentalists felt about Senator Obama's support for the legislation:

Harder for progressives and enviros to swallow was the support it got from Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., who expressed disappointment that the bill wasn't more bold but still went so far as to call the legislation "a first step toward decreasing America's dependence on foreign oil." It could more credibly be described as yet another step toward subsidizing Illinois corn farmers for ethanol production that will be of dubious environmental benefit.

Senator Obama has also been a leading advocate for liquefied coal. Earlier this year, Senator Obama joined with Kentucky Republican Jim Bunning to introduce the "Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007." Coal-to-liquid (CTL) technology uses a highly energy-intensive process to convert coal into diesel fuel for cars or jet fuel for airplanes -- an appealing prospect to the coal industry in Senator Obama's home state of Illinois, but not to environmentalists and others concerned about global warming.

Frank O'Donnell, president of the D.C.-based nonprofit group Clean Air Watch. "It's not the best use of the coal and it's one that's almost certain to exacerbate the global warming problem." Obama's advocacy of coal liquefaction, he said, might have to do with his getting "hammered" by Illinois coal interests.

Senator Obama may be a climate crusader, but in this case he is marching in the wrong direction.

Senator Obama is responding to the criticism by stressing the national-security advantages of using homegrown coal to power the nation's transportation sector, and talking hopefully about the possibility of making the technology greener.  Environmental activists are not so optimistic.

Problem is, none of the current CTL (coal to liquid) projects actually involve carbon capture. Without that step, the climate impacts of CTL fuel are far worse than those of gasoline. According to an NRDC analysis, a 35-mpg car powered by the CTL fuel that's currently available would generate as much carbon dioxide pollution as a far less efficient 19-mpg car that runs on conventional gasoline.

3.  Social Security

Senator Obama has already completely bought into the Republican frame on social security. He has called it a system in crisis when it isn't. Of course, the Republican intent is to kill the program, while supposedly Senator Obama's intent is to save it. Senator Obama has already proposed increasing the amount of income that is taxed as a way of solving the "crisis."

Senator Obama argues that Senator Clinton "is not willing to say" how she would address the long-term challenges of Social Security:

You know, Senator Clinton says that she's concerned about Social Security but is not willing to say how she would solve the Social Security crisis, then I think voters aren't going to feel real confident that this is a priority for her.

In fact she has. Here is an excerpt from an October 9 speech by Senator Clinton:

Don't you believe all these people running around crying wolf about Social Security. That is exactly what they're doing. They're trying to get people confused and upset and agree to a bad deal.

When I am president, we'll have our priorities in order. We will return to fiscal responsibility and fair tax policies first, and then we will address the long-term challenges facing Social Security.

When my husband left office, because we had a balanced budget and a surplus, there was a plan in place to extend the solvency of Social Security until 2055. That gives us plenty of time to figure out what else we need to do.

Once the country is on the path to fiscal responsibility, Senator Clinton will create a bi-partisan commission to meet the challenge, an approach that has worked before:

"But I am strongly advocating a bipartisan process, similar to what we had in '83, and when that gets set up, as I hope it will be when I'm president, then I'm going to see what the bipartisan members are going to come up with."

Economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman says she has exactly the right approach. From his appearance October 28 on ABC This Week:

KRUGMAN: Yeah, Social Security, if you go through the federal government, piece-by-piece, and ask which programs are seriously under-funded and which are close to being completely funded, Social Security is one of the best. It's not even for certain that Social Security has a problem. Why on earth - and, of course, it's something that the right has always wanted to kill, not because it doesn't work, but because it does. And for Obama to go after this program, at this time, you just have to wonder. All of my progressive friends are saying what on Earth is going through his mind to raise this issue.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you think basically the Hillary Clinton position, which we take care of it by fiscal responsibility, and basically it'll take care of itself, we can look at some small fixes is the right one?

KRUGMAN: Yeah. She is.

Funny thing, Senator Obama suggested the same solution, a bi-partisan commission, for social security not too long ago.  Here are Senator Obama's comments on May 14, 2007:

Everything should be on the table. I think we should approach it the same way Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan did back in 1983. They came together. I don't want to lay out my preferences beforehand, but what I know is that Social Security is solvable. It is not as difficult a problem as we're going to have with Medicaid and Medicare.

Last year, Senator Obama published The Audacity of Hope, a superbly written compilation of his political views. Here is what he wrote in that book concerning Social Security:

(page 182): The problems with the Social Security trust fund are real but manageable. In 1983, when facing a similar problem, Ronald Reagan and House Speaker Tip O'Neill got together and shaped a bipartisan plan that established the system for the next sixty years. There's no reason we can't do the same today.

In that passage in his book and with his comments in May this year, Senator Obama seems to be proposing what Senator Clinton is proposing now and for what he is criticizing her. What has gotten less attention is that Senator Obama seems to have changed his mind on how to approach the issue of social security solvency and how his proposal to raise taxes on income is way too premature.

4.  Bonus issue - Reproductive Rights

No one is arguing that Senator Obama is anti-reproductive rights.  Yet, he has a strange way of showing his support on the issue.  While a state senator in Illinois, Obama voted "present" on key legislation dealing with abortion rights. Voting "present" is one of three options in the Illinois Legislature (along with "yes" and "no").

This article outlines Senator Obama's voting record in the Illinois state senate and his propensity to vote "present" on controversial legislation.

For example, in 1997, Obama voted "present" on two bills (HB 382 and SB 230) that would have prohibited a procedure often referred to as partial birth abortion.

In 2001, Obama voted "present" on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted "present" on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the Audacity of Hope, on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the "born alive" bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade. But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote "present" on the bills instead of "no."

In response to the criticism of his voting "present," Senator Obama has argued that at the time he was merely providing cover to other Democrats who were shaky on the issue and who were considering voting "yes" on the legislation.

Bonnie Grabenhofer, the President of Illinois NOW, an organization that has endorsed Senator Clinton, feels otherwise.

"When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass," said Grabenhofer, criticizing him for voting 'present' on many key votes. "He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

Senator Clinton has an exceptional record in this area and it is one of the reasons why the national organizations of NOW and Emily's List are strongly supporting her candidacy, including contributing money and bodies on the ground in Iowa.

Here are the endorsement press releases for NOW and Emily's List.

Read more about Senator Clinton's thirty-five year strong record of supporting reproductive rights here.

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Excellent post! (0.00 / 0)
You are right; Hillary does have the best, most comprehensive policies.  Of all the candidates in the field, she will make the best president.  When you put away the background noise and look at the policies and the experience, you can see that she has the ability to hit the ground running on a number of fronts.  
 



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


By background noise, did you mean... (0.00 / 0)
the sycophantic stream of numbimg platitudes or the Machiavellian subversion of honest discourse by the Clinton campaign's consultants and political operatives.

You're right, that does make it harder to honestly judge the merits of the various candidates. If Hillary Clinton truly believed in the strength of her leadership, or, more importantly, trusted the American people to differentiate the pros and cons of the different visions offered by the candidates; she wouldn't feel compelled to turn the primary into an episode of "Real World '08: Washington, DC."


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


[ Parent ]
Winning on the issues (4.00 / 1)
There you go again! I always know when Hillary is winning the debate on the issues, because SGS immediately goes into personal attack mode. Why don't you just save yourself time and, instead of posting a rant whenever someone says something positive about Hillary, you just posted: C.T.A.P.A.  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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I know you are, but what am I (0.00 / 0)
If you call stating the obvious and documented, attack mode, then I am guilty.

On merits, let's give the the microphone to the Monitor.

Don't get sidetracked by the mandate debate      

December 07. 2007 12:40AM

The great health care mandate debate is a sideshow. Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and John Edwards insist that forcing individuals to buy a policy is crucial to providing universal health care or something close to it. Rival Barack Obama disagrees. A mandate may be necessary to force those who refuse to sign up once affordable options are available, he says, but that step should come at the end of the march to universal care, not at the beginning.

The debate has degenerated into arguments over who is or isn't being honest with voters.
-snip-

On the honesty question, when it comes to health care mandates, the edge goes to Obama. He rightly says they force people to buy something before they know what it will cost and how good it will be, and many won't comply.
-snip-

Nor do mandates come close to guaranteeing universal coverage. The Massachusetts health care plan enacted when Republican Mitt Romney was governor mandates coverage. By the end of this month, every Massachusetts resident is supposed to be enrolled or pay a penalty.
-snip-

As for Clinton, it's easy to see why she hasn't been specific about how her plan would punish people who ignore the mandate. Far better that that particular club be crafted by a bipartisan team in Congress. But it's hard to see how Clinton or Edwards can describe their plans as covering everyone. Mandates, as their track record has proven, fall far short of guaranteeing universal participation.



"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


[ Parent ]
Automobile Insurance Analogy (0.00 / 0)
The automobile insurance analogy to discredit mandates as used by the Concord Monitor is not a great one. Check out this diary as to why.

 


[ Parent ]
you are losing (0.00 / 0)
See, e.g., Paul Krugman's NY Times column today - I would love to print it all, but I don't want to violate fair use, so here are snippets

O.K., before I go any further, let's be clear: there is a huge divide between Republicans and Democrats on health care, and the Obama plan - although weaker than the Edwards or Clinton plans - is very much on the Democratic side of that divide.

But lately Mr. Obama has been stressing his differences with his rivals by attacking their plans from the right - which means that he has been giving credence to false talking points that will be used against any Democratic health care plan a couple of years from now.

My main concern right now is with Mr. Obama's rhetoric: by echoing the talking points of those who oppose any form of universal health care, he's making the task of any future president who tries to deliver universal care considerably more difficult.

I'd add, however, a further concern: the debate over mandates has reinforced the uncomfortable sense among some health reformers that Mr. Obama just isn't that serious about achieving universal care - that he introduced a plan because he had to, but that every time there's a hard choice to be made he comes down on the side of doing less.

I would like a president with substance, who is willing to make the hard choices. Hillary Clinton fits the bill.

It is similar to social security; by adopting the Republican notion that there is a crisis, Senator Obama
is again coming from the right of Hillary and the other candidates. I understand the idea of bi-partisanship, and Hillary has worked well with Republicans in the senate on finding common ground. But cozying up to the Republicans on major social issues doesn't make me warm and fuzzy, nor does failing to make votes on issues relating to choice.  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


[ Parent ]
Obama Once Advocated for Mandates in Health Insurance (0.00 / 0)
I remembered that Senator Obama advocated mandates in health insurance a year ago. I went back and found the cite. Here are his words then:

It's time to accept that we must offer some form of basic health care to every American. Health care should be like auto insurance - mandatory for all Americans. A larger pool of subscribers would drive down health care costs."


[ Parent ]
We need good judgement on healthcare---too much at stake (4.00 / 1)
It seems to me that after reading Krugman's piece and the comments that it has generated here and elsewhere---a few things come to mind.

1.  First, the Krugman piece dismissed the many real-world examples of mandate failures, without really saying how the current crop of proposed mandates are different from those that failed.  If you don't learn from your mistakes.....the voters will be doomed to pay for them over and over again.

2.  Krugman's comparison of American health care to the Netherlands and Switzerland is at best misinformed, and for a professional of his exposure, perhaps disingenuous.  Comparing our budgets to two countries with higher taxes and more modest defense spending simply is not valid.  Clearly their revenue stream is different and their spending priorities can be different.  We will be paying for the Iraq war for many years to come---shame on those who put us in this mess---that money will come out of all our pockets.  In such a situation, unless we first make health care more affordable, mandates will be meaningless.  After the tab for war is paid---many Americans will very little left for health care--even if you try to force them.

3.  Krugman's contention that somehow a mandate will help in what is the anticipated (leery of, if you have reasonable judgment) partisan fight.  Some may think these fights are fun---with mandates included, this fun fight will quickly devolve into a "freedoms" debacle, and will have nothing to do with health care.  The losers (once again) will be those Americans that need help the most.

Go Packers!!  Cheeseheads rule!


[ Parent ]
Mandates (0.00 / 0)
Mandates fail when there is no funding provision. Sen. Clinton, of course has a detailed funding plan.  See other comments here on this diary. That is why her health care plan has so much support from economists and health care professionals.    

[ Parent ]
Sailing through Congress (0.00 / 0)
The success of any proposal will require the collaboration of the Congress. She will fail to get the bipartisan support needed on the scale required.

The Clinton Health Care Plan is a house of cards.

Clinton doesn't care, as long as she wins.

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


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Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
Clinton doesn't care, as long as she wins.

SGS, that kind of comment is uncalled for and ridiculous. You can and have done better.

Also, you don't provide any evidence to support your conclusion that her plan will fail to get the "bipartisan support" you suggest.

As a matter of fact, Senator Clinton's plan has gotten fairly good reviews from traditionally anti-universality healthcare groups, like business:

One of the standout features of this is it specifically looks to help small business owners, and that's a good thing," said Michael Donohue, spokesman for the National Federation of Independent Businesses.

and

For months, she has been meeting with business leaders one-on-one and in small groups to explore health-care issues. Many have come away impressed, including Eric Schmidt, chief executive of Google Inc. "She was organized; she knew her stuff; she listened carefully; she responded to ideas," he said.


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Yeeech. Your own medicine (0.00 / 0)
We all embellish, G.

Hyperbole and subjective blurts are what make Team Clinton-NH "great".

Reforming government

That's why Sen. Clinton is winning the policy debate. She doesn't just talk generalities and offer vague prescriptions for change. Read her Government reform plan and then read what you just posted. In fact, read the other candidates' plans too. Obama sounds good but there's not much substance.  Haven't we had enough of that?
by: calvin @ Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 22:53:04 PM EST

Nope

Hillary just has the most substance, depth and breadth of experience, and detailed policy proposals.

"The only title in our democracy superior to that of president is the title of citizen." Justice Louis D. Brandeis

by: Kathy Sullivan 2 @ Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 11:14:46 AM EST

Funny you should say this to me, on this thread,
"You can and have done better."

I would highly recommend that you leave "Team Clinton" behind while you advocate for the Senator. Your hard work and certainty of purpose gets sullied by the textbook gameing.

The gameing was very obvious, G.



"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


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Still no evidence to support your comments n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
That is the point, yo! n/t (0.00 / 0)


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

[ Parent ]
No, there you go again! (3.20 / 5)

Senator Clinton is consistently late with policy.  I don't know, maybe it's smart to wait until everyone else has played their cards.  The pundits comment and the pollsters weigh in. Little risk... One can craft policy by the numbers on the backs of the work done by others.

It may be a clever strategy to win an election, but I don't think that's what Americans are looking for in a president.

A president must be a leader and I believe Senator Clinton's failure to lead on issues is partly responsible for her falling numbers.

John Edwards - One of the most decent men I've ever met.

http://www.johnedwards.com


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Late? (4.00 / 1)
I seem to remember that Senator Clinton put her heart and soul into trying to achieve universal healthcare in the early 1990s.  Where was John Edwards then?

During the 2004 campaign, John Edwards was not proposing universal healthcare and he criticized his rivals who did.

When John Edwards finally introduced his healthcare plan earlier this year, important parts of it came from Clinton's 1993 effort.


[ Parent ]
Health Care Reform (0.00 / 0)
Paul Krugman has a wonderful column in the NY Times today.  I recommend everyone read it.

One of the issues he addresses is the claim that somehow there's something nasty about requiring everyone to have health care.

Look, the point of a mandate isn't to dictate how people should live their lives - it's to prevent some people from gaming the system. Under the Obama plan, healthy people could choose not to buy insurance, then sign up for it if they developed health problems later. This would lead to higher premiums for everyone else. It would reward the irresponsible, while punishing those who did the right thing and bought insurance while they were healthy.

Here's an analogy. Suppose someone proposed making the Medicare payroll tax optional: you could choose not to pay the tax during your working years if you didn't think you'd actually need Medicare when you got older - except that you could change your mind and opt back in if you started to develop health problems.

Can we all agree that this would fatally undermine Medicare's finances? Yet Mr. Obama is proposing basically the same rules for his allegedly universal health care plan.

On the question of whether mandates will really cover everyone, he simply points out the obvious -- in other countries with mandates, they work.
 


Winning on the issues ;v) #4 (4.00 / 2)

The "present" votes are blessed by Planned Parenthood.

Obama also backed the planned parenthood facility  in Aurora, IL this year - the first presidential candidate to do so! http://www.swamppolitics.com/n...

He also has a 100% rating from NARAL

Kinda busy, so this will be in bursts.


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


Reproductive rights (0.00 / 0)
The Chicago Tribune disputed Obama's supposed support from pro-choice groups in an article the other day.

Illinois NOW also found reasons to be disappointed with Obama:

Illinois NOW PAC supported the endorsement of Senator Clinton. "She is, after all, our native sister," said Bonnie Grabenhofer, president of Illinois NOW. "We know from her record and in her heart she will be there for us."

Senator Clinton has a long history of support for women's empowerment, and her public record is a testimony to her leadership on issues important to women in the U.S. and around the globe. She has eloquently articulated the need for full economic, political and social equality for women in every institution of society, taking action throughout her career - as a lawyer, community leader, First Lady, Senator and candidate for the presidency - to advance the civil and human rights of women and girls.

After looking at his record, Grabenhofer does not feel the same way about Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

During Senator Obama's 2004 senate campaign, the Illinois NOW PAC did not recommend the endorsement of Obama for U.S. Senate because he refused to stand up for a woman's right to choose and repeatedly voted 'present' on important legislation.

As a State Senator, Barack Obama voted 'present' on seven abortion bills, including a ban on 'partial birth abortion,' two parental notification laws and three 'born alive' bills.  In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions.

"When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass," said Grabenhofer. "He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

 

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Kate Michelman and John Edwards (0.00 / 0)

100% for John Edwards as well.

Kate Michelman, President of NARAL for 20 years (1985 to 2004), signed on as a senior advisor to the Edwards campaign. She supports his candidacy and is campaigning for him.

Kate Michelman, The Public Face Of a Woman's Right to Privacy

I met Kate in Plymouth several weeks ago.  Though a little nervous about meeting this paradigm of the feminist movement, I was charmed by her openness and her deep understanding of and affinity for the underlying moral character that motivates John Edwards.

Kate Michelman, lifelong feminist and former head of NARAL, talks about why she's signed up to work for John Edwards.

Have you ever played this role in another presidential campaign?

No, because until 2004, I ran NARAL for 20 years. There, I ran campaigns in presidential contexts, trying to move voters to a particular candidate. And in 2004, I served at the DNC [Democratic National Committee] as chair of the Campaign to Save the Court. But I have never served on a presidential candidate's team before.




John Edwards - One of the most decent men I've ever met.

http://www.johnedwards.com


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In the interest of full disclosure (0.00 / 0)
Don't you want to say that Kate Michelman is not just a supporter of his candidacy who is campaigning for him, but also a paid consultant?  Nothing wrong with that, but you have made it clear that you think that it is important to disclose when someone is on staff, as opposed to being a volunteer.  



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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You must have missed it (0.00 / 0)

Full disclosure in links.  Read 'em.

Here it is again, in case you missed it in my previous post.

Kate Michelman, lifelong feminist and former head of NARAL, talks about why she's signed up to work for John Edwards.

To give you an idea of why she came on board,

"...he's one of the finest people I've ever known, in terms of his values, his views, and just as a person."


John Edwards - One of the most decent men I've ever met.

http://www.johnedwards.com


[ Parent ]
No, I didn't (0.00 / 0)
Using the term "work" doesn't mean paid.


Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


[ Parent ]
Parsing again? Or sliming? (0.00 / 0)

As NH Co-Chairwoman for the Clinton campaign, you're not doing Senator Clinton any favors by misdirecting conversations on this blog.

Kate Michelman, a well-respected woman who served as president of NARAL for twenty years, is a paid member of the Edwards campaign.  I thought this was clear.  Evidently, you did not.

Your obsession with this matter is, frankly, disturbing.

Are you suggesting that, because one is paid by a campaign, one lacks credibility?

Are you now trying to cast doubts on Kate Michelman's character?

Are you trying to say that I was trying to hide something?

John Edwards - One of the most decent men I've ever met.

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Wow! Talk about piling on. (0.00 / 0)
You guys must have planned this.

naughty, naughty

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


Nope (0.00 / 0)
Hillary just has the most substance, depth and breadth of experience, and detailed policy proposals.



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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Ralph! (0.00 / 0)


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

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The "unusual" suspects (0.00 / 0)
The following users have recommended this diary
blues  
Kathy Sullivan 2  
pinballwizard  
elf  
shley24  
MTAY  
kmeisje  
Judy Reardon  
calvin  

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

[ Parent ]
1159,1160,1161,1162 (0.00 / 0)
pinballwizard,elf,shley24,MTAY  

No comments, No diaries, No ratings!

The sweat is dripping from the panic riddled Clinton.

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


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hmm.. (4.00 / 5)
It's really poor form to shoot the messenger.

The blatant astroturfing is pretty weak though, because it signals that Hillary does not have a legitimate base of support here on Blue Hampshire.

This could explain the game of charades playing out in the comments here.  

Well, at least we're talking about policy now.

It's time we steer by the stars, and not the lights of every passing ship


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Reeks of gameing (0.00 / 0)
to me and that is "politics as usual" in my book. You know image over action.  Marketing over practice. Perception is reality. Problem for them is that it's very obvious.

standing on the sidelines looking for a reason to enter the fray.

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This is very funny (0.00 / 0)
Smucci, we all have noticed for weeks all the people from out of state who post for Edwards, and the way they all recommmend any diary for Edwards? And you are now complaining that Clinton people are recommending a diary? When it is  a very substantive discussion, as opposed to cheerleading for some candidate's appearance?  This is 30 days from the primary silliness.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


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I was surprised more people didn't recommend... (0.00 / 0)
Kindergartners for Obama

It's cute, is not anti-anybody (not even Tom Tancredo), and it's my son, so a little self-promotion... Sorry...  Not even shameless self-promotion.


Feeling hopeful since 2004...


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I always rec (0.00 / 0)
positive Edwards diaries because the man can't get a word in edgewise in the national political discussion and his message is very important to me as an American and not just as a partisan Edwards Democrat.

There's a big difference between my preference for promoting Edwards diaries and me trying to fake out other members of this community by portraying myself as something I'm not.

That's exactly what's going on here. These users are not members of the community. If they want to start blogging and writing diaries then sweet, the more the merrier. If they want to do it from a Clinton campaign machine then that's their business and anyone here would be extremely petty to fault them for it. But how do you even know that this isn't one person with a bunch of sock puppets? That's not cool as far as I'm concerned.

Full disclosure. Yes. I am from out of state. I post and rec positive Edwards diaries at this site as much as I can. I'm not the best member of this community because I find that cranking out these video blogs is very time consuming and it cuts into my other blogging, working and even living time. But I volunteer in Dover, NH phonebanking and canvassing. And I've been blogging for Edwards on my own without any help from anybody since April 2006.

I don't write my diaries to be a cheerleader for Edwards events. And I am no carpetbagger.


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By way of example (0.00 / 0)
Here are the recommendations on the Belafonte endorsement:

The following users have recommended this diary
pioneer  
TomP  
JonnyBBad  
dk2  
JohnMucci  
clarkent  
Aldon Hynes  
jamess  
okamichan13  

Like I said, 30 day primary silliness.  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 


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to be clear (4.00 / 2)
The "accusation" is not that 9 users recommended a dairy. The "accusation" is that 4 of the users joined for the sole purpose of rec'ing the diary. SGS is pointing out 4 users were created one after another adn that they have no other activity on the site.

To see consecutive registrations like that point to either one person creating multiple accts, or a small group of people sitting around a table registering at nearly the same time. This is also what Andy is saying with the "AstroTurf" Comment

The recommendations on the Belefonte Diary have come from users that have been on BH for many months with broad diversity in User IDs

pioneer: 425
TomP:1013
JonnyBBad:1199  
dk2: 474
JohnMucci:1124
clarkent:679
Aldon Hynes:112
jamess: 1019
okamichan13:663

Not picking a side here, but wanted to make sure the "issue" was understood by all.


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Readers (0.00 / 0)
I don't know who has signed on recently or who most of the writers on Blue Hampshire are but I wouldn't be surprised if there are many people like me who read diaries and comments on Blue Hampshire for months before ever signing up to make a comment.

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No one is arguing (4.00 / 2)
that there are lurkers in any forum/blog such as this

It a near impossibility that 4 lurkers would have registered consecutively and all happened to recommend that same diary.

That is what is being questioned
pinballwizard: 1159
Elf: 1160
shley24: 1161
MTAY: 1162

Do you understand how it looks fishy?  

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Thank you Mike (0.00 / 0)
for making the issue so clear.

standing on the sidelines looking for a reason to enter the fray.

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Disingenuous (0.00 / 0)
First - notice that my name is not on that list - but it will be.

Second - The only way you know someone is from out of state is if they have either posted a comment and mentioned that or posted a diary - therefore the are participants

Third - You would expect that supporters of a candidate would reccomend the diaries that interest them.  I've mentioned before that the ones with lots of comments that support my candidate are the most interesting to me.

Fourth - you said "we all have noticed" would that be the Clinton blog team you're refering to?

Fifth - I've been known to recomend diaries which support other candidates if I think they are compelling.

Finally - I was not being funny.  Not even a little.  But, if you ment funny strange not funny ha ha then OK - you're certainly entitled to your point of view. I like the fact that we have diffeing views presented on this blog.  What a dull place where everyone agrees.  However, the way that diary was reccomended by three new people without making comments - "gaming the system, politics as usual."  

standing on the sidelines looking for a reason to enter the fray.


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Game ON (0.00 / 0)


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

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Ezekiel 25:17 (4.00 / 1)


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

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Where to start... (4.00 / 1)
First of all, not everybody makes their decisions based strictly on policy wonkery. I place emphasis on leadership ability over the granular details of policy, though I certainly weigh policies as well. That being said, I genuinely prefer Obama's healthcare plan to HRC's as do plenty of experts. I'm no expert myself, but much of the cost saving measures in the Clinton proposal appear predicated upon the success of the mandate, for which, to my knowledge, she has not outlined an enforcement mechanism. I disagree with the mandate approach firstly because I don't think you can force people to buy anything, both on principle and in practice. I know plenty of people who don't have insurance, none of them are lacking it because they don't want it. The young, healthy people I know who do not have health insurance don't have it because they can't afford it, plain and simple. They have student loans, rent, credit card debt to pay instead.
Massachusetts has a mandate now, with an enforcement mechanism. Many still have not complied, and for good reason. Without the enforcement mechanism, we can expect an even larger chunk of the population will not comply, and costs will not be sufficiently assuaged.

The Obama plan aggressively targets other ways to bring down healthcare costs more quickly and more thoroughly.  

Cube-farm drone by day, Obama volunteer organizer by night.


Universal Health Care (for everyone) (0.00 / 0)
You really should read the Krugman article in the NY Times today.  It addresses much of what you are saying.

As for the costs of Hillary Clinton's plan, here is the breakdown that is not predicated on the mandate. You can read the details at www.hillaryclinton.com so I won't put in the footnotes, etc.

Phase out excessive Medicare overpayments to HMOs and other managed care plans -- $10 billion

Dedicate savings from unnecessary Medicare and Medicaid spending - $7 billion

Constrain prescription drug costs - $4 billion

Modernize health systems - $35 billion

Discontinue Bush tax cuts for top two income tax brackets and Bush increases in tax exemptions for households over $250,000 - $52 billion

Cap federal income tax exclusion of employer contributions for health benefits for households over $250,000 - $2 billion

Total savings/reinvestment: $110 billion



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I think we all know by now (4.00 / 1)
that Krugman doesn't dig the Obama Healthcare plan...anymore (he wrote favorably of it back in June). Mr. Krugman and I will have to agree to disagree on this matter. As long as we have a for-profit healthcare system (a difference he overlooks when he cites the successful mandates of the Swiss and Dutch), I will personally oppose a mandate.  

Cube-farm drone by day, Obama volunteer organizer by night.

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From the Krugman article (4.00 / 1)
Finally, Mr. Obama is storing up trouble for health reformers by suggesting that there is something nasty about plans that "force every American to buy health care." Look, the point of a mandate isn't to dictate how people should live their lives - it's to prevent some people from gaming the system. Under the Obama plan, healthy people could choose not to buy insurance, then sign up for it if they developed health problems later. This would lead to higher premiums for everyone else. It would reward the irresponsible, while punishing those who did the right thing and bought insurance while they were healthy.

Calling those who cannot afford health insurance cheats. Ignoring the grave financial issues which cause the problem and castigating the less fortunate for daring to need public assistance when they get sick. Who needs Republicans with Democrats like these?

Cube-farm drone by day, Obama volunteer organizer by night.


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Winning on the issues ;v) #2 (0.00 / 0)
GRIST wrote a review of Barack's plan here: http://gristmill.grist.org/sto...

"Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised -- even shocked -- at its quality. It's a deft mix of good politics and strong, substantive policy."

GRIST interview with Barack: http://www.grist.org/feature/2...

Q:You've received a lot of criticism from enviros of your support for coal-to-liquids technology. You recently shifted your position somewhat, but haven't retracted it. Why?

A:I was always firm that if the life-cycle carbon emissions of coal-to-liquid were higher than gasoline, we couldn't do it because it would contradict my position on reducing greenhouse gases. But I also believe that, because of the abundance of coal in the U.S., coal-based fuels could be a substitute for some of the oil we import from the Middle East, as long as we can reduce the resulting CO2 emissions to 20 percent below current levels from petroleum-based fuels.

Q:How much should we be willing to pay in taxpayer money to make liquid coal that clean?

A:Our original bill on coal-to-liquids -- which generated a lot of heat in the environmental community, no pun intended -- proposed $200 million for demonstration projects, to see where this technology might take us.

If the technology exists for us to use coal in a clean fashion, then that is something all of us should welcome, particularly because China and India are building coal-fired power plants at a rapid rate, and they likely have lifespans of several decades. Coal is a cheaper resource, and they're going to be figuring out a way to exploit it, so we should help to find technologies that will ensure that if it is used, it is used cleanly. The U.S. is recognized as the global leader in understanding better geologic coal-sequestration technologies. If we abandon that leadership, we risk leaving the rest of the planet wide open to investing billions in polluting infrastructure.

But I stress again that my position has been consistent throughout: If we are using coal in the absence of these clean technologies, then we are going to be worsening the trend of global warming, and that is something that we can't do.

Also, the League of Conservation Voters endorses Barack's plan: http://www.lcv.org/newsroom/pr...

And gives him a lifetime rating of 96 - the highest of any presidential candidate: http://www.presidentialprofile...



"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  


A few point by point rebuttals (4.00 / 3)
1. Health care

A mandate does nothing to eliminate the problem of insurers selecting patients based on risk. Senator Obama's plan explicitly includes legislation and regulation to eliminate risk-based selection, including for pre-existing conditions.

A mandate would, on the other hand, give insurers a pool of guaranteed demand. When they believe that everybody will have to buy insurance, they will have little incentive to compete on cost.

The fallacy that a mandate somehow makes health care more universal has been shown many times. Mandates have a detailed track record of not being enforceable (and it's not just auto insurance, it includes other mandates such as paying income taxes, not employing illegal immigrants, and more). There is no data or history to support the idea that a mandate will do anything other than add a government enforcement bureaucracy of questionable effectiveness.

2. Energy

Senator Obama's position on liquified coal has been explained in great detail, including both the scientific aspects of needing to reduce carbon emissions of the coal liquification process and economic details of the cost of a demonstration program. His plan has been endorsed by leading conservation organizations, and he has a sterling voting record on environmental issues.

Obama's report card from the League of Conservation Voters is a lifetime score of 96 and 2006 score of 100, versus Hillary's lifetime score of 90 with a 2006 score of 71. I notice you didn't mention Hillary's votes on offshore drilling, which were decried by environmentalists.

3. Social Security

Senator Obama has consistently stated that Social Security must be fixed, and that the fix will be much easier if we act now than if we put off action for another 2, 5, or 10 years.

Now, some object to the term "crisis" because they think that is fear mongering -- something of which Obama is almost never accused. Obama himself has explained why he used the term, and it is clear that he understands the problems scope as well as the immediacy with which it much be addressed.

Senator Clinton, on the other hand, steadfastly refuses to engage in substantive discussion on Social Security, preferring to pawn that off on an as-yet-to-be-created bipartisan commission that might happen if she gets elected. So, instead of developing plans right now, she is developing plans to figure out who will develop plans. Wow, that's leadership.

4. Reproductive Rights

Not an area in which I have researched deeply, but your arguments are about tone, not substance. While arch conservatives decry Obama's vote of "present" from one side, you do so from the other. Whatever.

But let's not stop at your 4 chosen issues, please...

5. Foreign Policy

Barack Obama has been a strong advocate of restoring America's standing in the world by deeds as well as words. He has traveled to the former Soviet Union to work on the problem of loose nukes, and has done so in a bipartisan manner.

Senator Clinton labeled "naive" the idea that we should talk to leaders of all nations, friend or foe, as if continuing the current attitude of bluster and bullying would accomplish anything. She voted for the Iraq war and refuses to admit that as a mistake either in words or future votes.

It's bad enough that Dennis Kucinich could figure out that the Iraq war was a bad idea, but Hillary was fooled by that faulty intelligence. Compounding the error with her vote on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment -- and refusing to admit that was also an error -- makes it worse. And yes, Barack Obama missed that vote. He went on the record opposing the amendment, but he has also said, (gasp) "It was a mistake" to have missed the vote.

6. National Service:

Obama has been speaking about national service for months, and recently came out with a detailed proposal on the topic. Chris Dodd put forth a plan in June. Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich, and John Edwards signed the ServeNext.org pledge to increase national service. Bill Richardson includes national service in his education plan as a way to help students pay for college tuition. Hillary? Hillary has received an award for national service advocacy based on what was done in her husband's administration with Americorps. All props to Bill for getting that done, but he's not running.

7. Reforming Government:

Barack Obama has an exceptional track record of actual success in government and lobbying reform. He is more ready, more qualified, and more believable in efforts to take on lobbyist influence in government. Go ahead and compare Obama's proposal with Hillary's plan. It's clear who understands the issue and places it at a higher priority, and who is playing follow the leader.

All in all, I'll happily bring Barack Obama's policies to the table for a comparison with any other candidate. But we're not voting for a bunch of policies or position papers. We are voting for a person. Obama has the vision, the experience, strength, direction, sincerity, and ability to work across party lines to get results.  


Choice is not "Whatever" (0.00 / 0)
I don't have time to address all of your comments, but I have to respond to one right away: the "whatever" response to his failure to take a stand on choice votes, and saying this is tone, not substance.

I am old enough to remember when state governments were permitted to control women's health choices.  Back alley abortions, an economic gap between the ability of wealthy women and poor women, and lack of basic birth control were very real for the women of this country, not "whatever".   I hope it is not the position of the Obama campaign that choice is not a substantive issue, or that the control of a woman over her own body is a matter of tone, not substance. Women died because they could not have safe, legal abortions. Women had unwanted children because they could not have access to safe, legal birth control. One of these "present" votes was on parental notification;  is it "whatever" when a young girl is afraid of disappointing her parents, so she ends up dying because of a botched self administered abortion?  Another two were so-called "partial birth" abortion bills. Do you think it is "whatever" when a woman is making the heart rending choice of carrying to full term or terminating, when she learns that if she carries to full term, her child will be born into a short lived, agonizingly painful existence?

Responding "whatever" gives short shrift to one of the most basic of women's isues. And you brush off the concerns of pro-choice women by saying they are just the flip side of those of archconservatives?    

Whatever?  I don't think so.  

Yes, we are voting for a person, not policy papers. I want a person as president who understands the importance of this issue, not "whatever".

There are a lot of times when we snark back and forth on this site, and when we engage in faux outrage, or spin, or try to push each other's buttons. There is only one other time when I genuinely have been angry over a post; this is the second.  Up until I read "whatever", I was willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on the making a politically convenient "present" vote. Thank you for reminding me what is at stake. Thank you for making me remember how hard it was for women. Thank you for reminding me that we are voting for a person, not policies, and that when it came to the policy of choice, when it came to potentially politically unpopular votes, instead of doing the right thing, Obama, the person, bailed. Thank you for reminding me how important an issue this is. Thank you for making me angry, because I am going to work even harder for Hillary now. Thank you for reminding me that courage in our elected officials matter, even if it means making a vote or votes that could lose you your seat.




"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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You go girl! (0.00 / 0)
I sincerely love this comment.

I'm sorry that this had to go at a hope monger, but the passion is irrefutable.

Call me selfish, but I would prefer if you took some of the advice offered to Hillary, by Rep.Splaine

Put your pollsters aside.  Forget the focus groups. Resist the "politically correct" answers where you sound like you're trying to satisfy everyone and every interest group.  Tell your managers you don't want to be managed.  Leave your speech writers' missives at their offices.  Forget the cute one-liners that don't tell us much.  Don't be overly cautious or calculating.  Show your courage, we've seen that before.  Be yourself.  Just yourself.  We'll like what we see.
 


"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

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Rebutting the Rebuttal (4.00 / 1)
1.  Healthcare Reform.  You neglected to address the point that Senator Obama himself indicated a year ago that a mandate was necessary to get to universal coverage.

Also, it is not just Senator Obama saying that mandates are necessary to achieve success in this area, it is a whole slew of experts and commentators including the following:

Kaiser Family Foundation's Diane Rowland: 'An individual mandate is the only alternative to government provision of coverage if you hope to achieve universal healthcare.' "Diane Rowland, executive vice president of the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, which studies health policy, said it had become broadly accepted 'that an individual mandate is the only alternative to government provision of coverage if you hope to achieve universal coverage.'" [New York Times, 11/25/07]

Urban Institute's John Holahan: 'Implementing universal coverage requires an individual mandate.' John Holahan, Principal Researcher at the Urban Institute wrote, "Implementing universal coverage requires an individual mandate, which may or may not be combined with an employer mandate. Implementing them would make insurance accessible and affordable, and reduce the number of uninsured by about one-third. Covering the remaining two-thirds is only achievable if health insurance is made mandatory in the state." [Urban Institute, Report for the Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts Foundation, October 2005]

MIT's Jonathan Gruber: 'Without a mandate you never get those people covered.' "The mandate is crucial. 'Many of the uninsured are voluntarily uninsured in the sense that they could get insurance today . . . but chose not to because they don't need it,' Gruber said. 'Without a mandate you never get those people covered.'" [Investor's Business Daily, 7/31/07]

New American Foundations' Len Nichols: 'Programs that do not require participation will never approach universality.' Len Nichols, director of the New American Foundation, testified before the Senate budget committee, "There are only three analytically credible ways to cover all Americans: (1) tax-financed single payer/Medicare for all; (2) employer plus individual mandates to purchase private health insurance; (3) individual mandates alone. Programs that do not require participation will never approach universality." [US Fed News, 6/26/07]

United Hospital Fund: 'An individual mandate is required to achieve universal coverage.' According to the Journal News, the United Hospital Fund in conjunction with the Commonwealth Fund "released a report in December that outlined a long-term 'blueprint' for universal health-insurance coverage in New York." The report specified, "Ultimately, an individual mandate is required to achieve universal coverage." [The Westchester County Journal News, 8/15/07; United Hospital Fund Blueprint for Universal Health Insurance, December 2006]

Brookings Institution's Henry J. Aaron Bruce & Virginia MacLaury: 'An individual mandate, as in Massachusetts, would be necessary to assure full coverage.' According to a statement produced by Henry J. Aaron Bruce and Virginia MacLaury, Senior Fellows at the Brookings Institution, "Furthermore, unless subsidies to low-income households shield them from nearly all out-of-pocket risk, many will not willingly buy insurance (if they must pay much of premium cost) or use ostensibly covered services (if they are exposed to significant deductibles). An individual mandate, as in Massachusetts, would be necessary to assure full coverage." [CQ Congressional Testimony, 9/11/07]

2. Energy/Environment.  I noticed you did not address Senator Obama's affirmative vote on the 2005 Energy Bill.

3. Social Security Reform.  You did not address Senator Obama's comments earlier this year and in his book with which he advocates exactly what Senator Clinton is advocating when it comes to social security reform.  There is much speculation of why he is taking the tack of confronting Senator Clinton on this issue. Here is a sample.

Mr. Obama wanted a way to distinguish himself from Hillary Clinton-and for Mr. Obama, who has said that the reason "we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions" is that "politics has become so bitter and partisan," joining in the attack on Senator Clinton's Social Security position must have seemed like a golden opportunity to sound forceful yet bipartisan.

4. Reproductive Rights.  Senator Obama has a habit of not voting on important legislation to include:

a. the votes outlined in my diary while he was in the Illinois State Senate;
b. the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment;
c. the amendment that would have allow importation of generic drugs;
d. the expansion of the S-Chip program to benefit more children;
e. the resolution condemning MoveOn's ad against General Petraeus

Senator Obama has missed the most votes of any Democratic presidential candidate in the last two months and over 80% of all votes since September.

5.  Foreign Policy.  I would put Senator Clinton's foreign policy experience up against Senator Obama any day.  For example, today a letter signed by 32 former ambassadors and diplomats who served while Senator Clinton was First Lady that attests to her unique foreign policy experiences was releasedtoday. With all this talk about experience, the letter provides a little more insight into why Senator Clinton has the strength and experience to be president on day one.

During her tenure as First Lady, Hillary traveled the world as a representative of the United States, meeting with Presidents and Prime Ministers, refugees and victims of war and genocide.  In her diplomatic role, she fought for human rights from China to Uganda to Kosovo, and helped pave the way for improved U.S. relations with countries such as India.

6. National Service.  Hillary Clinton actually proposed legislation back in March for a Public Service Academy. Under Clinton's plan, the Public Service Academy would "provide a four-year, federally-subsidized college education for more than 5,000 students a year in exchange for a five year commitment to public service following graduation." Graduates of the Public Service Academy would serve their country for five years, creating a new generation of young people dedicated to public service.

The text of Clinton's bill is available here. Currently there are 15 bi-partisan co-sponsors of the legislation including presidential candidate Senator Joe Biden. Senator Obama is not a co-sponsor.

7. Reforming Government. Senator Clinton has proposed a comprehensive, 10-point plan to restore Americans' confidence in their government by increasing transparency and cutting waste and corruption. Her plan includes:

Banning Cabinet officials from lobbying a Hillary Clinton administration.

Strengthening whistleblower protections.

Creating a public service academy.

Ending abuse of no-bid government contracts and posting all contracts online.

Cutting 500,000 government contractors.

Restoring the Office of Technology Assessment.

Publishing budgets for every government agency.

Implementing Results America Initiative to track government effectiveness.

Tracking and eliminating corporate welfare.

Expanding voting access and safeguarding voting machines.

There is much more which you can learn more about here.


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Add to rebuttal (0.00 / 0)
Delegator claimed that Hillary labeled the idea of talking to leaders of other nations naive. That is not what she said, and this is not the first time the Obama campaign has misrepresented what we all saw at the debate when this topic came up. Obama was asked if, in his first year in office, he would meet personally with leaders of specific nations with whom we have had differences. Hillary said the president should not agree to meet without preconditions, because you do not want to be used for propanda purposes. She has made it clear that we should talk to our enemies, but not that we should agree to such meetings at the presidential level without precondition. Senator Obama was naive to say that.

I want to thank delegator and Gradysdad for this discussion,. Now that they have reminded me of Senator Obama's statement that he would agree to meet with those leaders in his first year, and his failure to take a stand on choice, and his use of Republican language in calling social security a crisis - boy, he really does falter on policy when compared to Hillary, doesn't he?



"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."  Franklin D. Roosevelt    


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My hopes a dashed :_( (0.00 / 0)
Thought your touch with realness my have stuck. Nope.

"Ill writers are usually the sharpest censors." - John Dryden  

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More on health care (0.00 / 0)
I think one of the problems Obama's supporters have with talking about health care is that they have never actually read Sen. Clinton's plan, so they talk about it as though it is like Obama's  It's not.

Sen. Clinton's health care plan allows anyone to keep the plan they have if they like it.  It also offers everyone the opportunity to buy into the same plan Congress has or to buy into a plan similiar to Medicare.  Insurance companies will have to compete to beat the quality and cost effectiveness of a program like Congress' or Medicare's.

No insurer will be allowed to turn anyone away because of pre-existing conditions or drop anyone because of health care needs.

Sen. Clinton's plan, unlike Obama's, provides financing for subsidies so that everyone will be able to afford to enroll in a health plan. I supplied the numbers in a post above.

The mandate ensures that everyone will enroll in a plan and, therefore, costs will be distributed fairly throughout the population.

The question is will private insurers be able to compete with a Medicare-like plan? It will be up to them.  (I think most people will prefer the cost effective plan like Medicare.)


Actually, I have read both. (4.00 / 1)
The two plans are extremely similar. Here's where the 2 plans really differ: Hillary's has a mandate for adult enrollment and they differ some in how costs are controlled - in my opinion, through his National Health Insurance Insurance Exchange, Obama is more aggressive in this regard.

All that business you outlined above about how Obama's plan does not provide subsidies is not accurate. The two plans match up on all the other points you mentioned.

Check it out: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf...
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf...

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Cost Containment (0.00 / 0)
Senator Obama's cost containment provisions are virtually identical to those proposed by Senator Clinton. There is no evidence to support his way of controlling costs are "more aggressive."

Senator Obama still fails to explain how his plan does a better job when it leaves millions of adults without insurance, thereby shifting the cost of their unfunded eventual and emergency care onto the backs of those of us who are insured, making our health care premiums costlier than they need be.

Not only that, but Senator Obama is Senator Clinton attacking from the right, using Republican arguments. This a statement from Bill Burton, Senator Obama's press secretary:

"He (Obama) just doesn't agree with Hillary's plan to start by forcing everyone to buy insurance they can't afford."

The last time I checked all the major Democratic candidates, except Senator Obama, had a mandate in their healthcare plans, including Rep. Kucinich who advocates a single-payer plan.


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This is what I like about Hillary (0.00 / 0)
She has real solutions, not pie in the sky.

I am an optimist myself, but I like to hedge my bets with some good pragmatic planning. That's what Hillary brings to the table that the other two can not.


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