Hillary's favorite presidents---oops, Ron Reagan!

I find it offensive (4.00 / 3)

that any Democrat would invoke St. Ronnie's name in an attempt to pander to the morons who buy into the myth of Reagan.

He should have spent the last years of his miserable life in an orange jumpsuit behind bars for his role in Iran-Contra. When I hear his name, I think of the picture of the murdered nuns in El Salvador.

Murderous, treasonous bastard.


sanctimonious purist/professional lefty

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by: susanthe @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 20:33:08 PM CST

Not quite (0.00 / 0)

In an effort to divert attention from Senator Obama's comments about President Reagan and his assertion that the GOP has been the "party of ideas," the Obama campaign circulated an item this evening from the Salmon Press in New Hampshire that asserts that Senator Clinton listed the former President as one of her favorite presidents. In fact, Senator Clinton only complimented President Reagan's communications skills - an attribute of his that has been widely praised by Americans of all ideological stripes - and did not list him as one of her favorite presidents. She also noted that she respected George H.W. Bush.

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

She [Sen. Clinton] listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan's communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn't say anything close to that.

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 20:55:18 PM CST

My point wasnt that she loved Reagan (0.00 / 0)

     It was a commentary on on those who were so delighted to try to attack Obama for something he had never said. Whether or not publisher got it correct as to what HRC said, the Clinton campaign thought it important enough to put his description on their website, thus spreading the claim that Reagan is one of her favorite presidents a tad beyond the miniscule range of the NH weeklies.

    And thus the practitioners of the politics of personal destruction were hoisted by their own petard. (I am channeling William Safire in alliteration).( Oh no, I mentioned a Republican without saying I hated him).

    I agree with Elwood that this trash talking has nothing to do with the serious issues that confront our country. But one side is starting it and needs to be called on it.

    I suspect that all three Democratic candidates have exactly the same feelings about Reagan-- they know he profoundly changed the trajectory of the country and in a fundamentally bad way.
   

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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by: Paul Twomey @ Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:13:05 AM CST

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Someone's singing, Lord (0.00 / 0)

Kumbaya.  
Since I refuse to argue with Mr. Twomey, I will stick to arguing with black box theorists today, and perhaps engage in the income tax debate, since they are both such productive exercises!  

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 09:13:37 AM CST

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Kumbaya, encore un fois. (4.00 / 1)

I actually also have a rule of never arguing with my friend Kathy Sullivan, no matter how misguided her posts are :), and only placed my post after one of hers by accident.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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by: Paul Twomey @ Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 10:39:36 AM CST

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Well, the first link to the press release (0.00 / 0)

doesn't work because the "hilary" tail is obstructive.  That said, since I consider Bush One the puppet master who pulled Ron's strings and then decided he didn't like it in the limelight or, as his son calls them, the "klieg lights," her praise for Bush One, while probably honest, is damning in my book.
Jackson Stephens and his progeny have a reputation for greasing both sides.  This time around they've added Huckabee to the stable, pouring money into the Club for Growth (to defame him and make him look more liberal) and into his own campaign coffers at the same time.

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by: hannah @ Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 09:40:31 AM CST

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I just posted this as well in the other thread (0.00 / 0)

but... just saw this an HRC site...

David Cutler, the co-owner of Salmon Press Newspapers, released the following statement:

   The question posed was originally what portraits would you hang in the White House if you were President and as the dialogue progressed, who are the presidents you admire most?

   She [Sen. Clinton] listed several presidents that she admired and mentioned she liked Reagan's communication skills. She did not say Reagan was her favorite President. She didn't say anything close to that.

That said... Are Obama's comments any more damning that admiring Reagan's communication Skills?

Hope > Fear




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by: Mike Hoefer @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 20:58:03 PM CST

Yes (0.00 / 0)

Talking about Reagan as a transformational figure and the "excesses" of the '60's and 70's? Yes, big difference. With the exception of Nixon/Ford from 68-76, the presidents in the 60's and 70's were all Democrats: Kennedy, Johnson, Carter.    


Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:05:31 PM CST

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Forget Reagan, I'm more troubled by this, (0.00 / 0)

not so much as from Clinton specifically, but from Reid et alii in general:

You can't fundraise for McCain and Susan Collins, run against the Democratic party nominee for Senate, and call yourself an "independent Democrat."

"Connecticut for Lieberman" is a man without a party, yet the Democrats give him a home.

If he can travel around raising scratch for McCain and Collins, it is quite within the realm of possibility he would do so for Sununu.

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:04:51 PM CST

check (0.00 / 0)

Support for War Tests Lieberman's Re-election Prospects

By WILLIAM YARDLEY
Published: April 2, 2006
HARTFORD, March 31 - Three times on Thursday night, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman asked the crowd of 1,700 for quiet during his remarks at the state Democrats' annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey fund-raising dinner.

"Shhh," he told the guests. But rather than interrupting him with applause, many were ignoring him, having struck up conversations after finishing their chicken.

The inattentiveness - as well as the scattered boos amid the supportive calls of "Joe" that welcomed Mr. Lieberman to the podium - convinced some that the three-term senator, criticized for months because of his continued support for the war in Iraq, may be vulnerable in the primary challenge he faces.

"What I was struck by was that not many people were paying attention to him," said Leo Canty, chairman of the Democratic town committee in Windsor, which passed a resolution in February opposing Senator Lieberman's support for the war. "It used to be that he would be more of a presence when he came in."

A few minutes later, however, the audience was riveted as Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the guest speaker at the $175-a-plate dinner, stood on the podium and began the customary round of recognition of candidates and incumbents in the room. When he got to Mr. Lieberman, who is his mentor in the Senate and who helped recruit him to speak at the event, the applause again was muted.

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe," Senator Obama said, all but silencing the crowd. "I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room. And Joe and I don't agree on everything. But what I know is, Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."

Then, with applause beginning to build, he finished the thought: "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate."

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:15:45 PM CST

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Yes, but that was while Lieberman was still a Democrat. (4.00 / 1)

Dodd, e.g., was a supporter of him during that time.

When the Democratic voters of Connecticut chose Ned Lamont over him, Dodd and Obama changed their support to the rightful nominee.

When Joementum kept on going, that's when he should have been  disowned of committee assignments.  Yet the Democrat leadership welcomed him with open arms upon his return.

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:34:58 PM CST

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Who do you want to have as majority leader? (4.00 / 1)

Reid, or a Republican?

I can't abide Joe Lieberman, he is so all about himself. But I don't remember an outcry of any Democratic senators that Lieberman should be stripped of his committees.    

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:46:56 PM CST

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My choice for Majority leader (4.00 / 1)

Hillary.

No Reid, no republican.

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by: Kathleen O'Donnell @ Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 08:44:49 AM CST

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I'd prefer Dodd. (4.00 / 1)

Said the man who never supported Dodd for President.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:43:32 AM CST

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Kathy, you are so right. (0.00 / 0)

Lieberman is Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Cmte in the 110th Congress, and sure, we could probably find somebody better ideologically suited to us to have that job, but his being counted as a member of the Democratic caucus gives us the technical majority in the Senate, which makes it worth it.  If he began to caucus with the Republicans, it would be a 50-50 tie, giving Cheney the tie-breaking vote, and making McConnel the Senate Majority Leader.

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Hope 2012

@DougLindner

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by: Douglas E. Lindner @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:42:37 AM CST

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that depends on what the organizing rules that were adopted . (0.00 / 0)

The senate can choose to adopt rules that mandate reorganization when the majority shift between elections ( usually due to death or resignation) or the senate can choose to organize only once so that the party that starts off with  the majority keeps the chairs and majority leader posts even after they hae lost a true majority.

Both have happened in history. I think the latter happened during Eisenhower's first term.

i am not sure how the rules currently in effect are on this but recall it was discussed at the beginning of this congress.

"But, in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." Si se puede. Yes we can.  

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by: Paul Twomey @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:02:58 AM CST

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Reagan's great communication skills: (4.00 / 1)

Not mentioning the word "AIDS" for years and years and years while thousands die.

birch, finch, beech

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by: Dean Barker @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:06:05 PM CST

Reagan INVENTED the 'I don't recall' defense with in the Iran-Contra hearings. (0.00 / 0)

http://www.democraticundergrou...

But who can forget all the things the Great Communicationer said? "I don't recall." ... "Catsup is a vegetable." ... "I don't recall." ... "Trees cause pollution." ... "I don't recall." ... "Facts are stupid things." ... "I don't recall." ... "Is it news that some fellow out in South Succotash someplace has just been laid off, that he should be interviewed nationwide?" ... "I don't recall."... "Maybe it's because we're doing so much and appointing so many that we're no longer seeking a token or something." ... "I don't recall." ... "The Contras are the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers." ... "I don't recall." ... "I did approve the arms deal. I just can't say specifically when." ... "I don't recall." ... "You know, if I listened to him long enough, I would be convinced that we're in an economic downturn, and that people are homeless, and people are going without food and medical attention, and that we've got to do something about the unemployed." ... "I don't recall."

for transparency sake ~I represent Union print shops

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by: JonnyBBad @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:24:35 PM CST

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Some very strong feelings in here tonight (4.00 / 3)

I've been involved in politics since I was 16 (that's my version of "I'm the son of a millworker"). There has never been a perfect candidate.  I disagreed with both Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt on the death penalty (they were both in favor).  Even Dodd had some questionable donations.  The last time I voted for my first choice in a general election, the candidate was McGovern.  Crap.  No it wasn't I volunteered for Muskie.  Nevermind.

The point is we can go back and forth forever "Hillary did this" "Obama said that".  We have a saying in the union that when we fight amongst ourselves the bosses win.  The same goes here.  Only this time the winner could be the Repugs.

I'm not a big fan of Kumbaya but, let's face it, our bastards are way better than theirs.

Why do you say socialism like it's a bad thing?

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by: Beth Campbell @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:51:14 PM CST

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Excellent point! (0.00 / 0)

I will now say kumbaya and good night - I am sooo tired from observing the recount!    

Energy and persistence conquer all things.


Benjamin Franklin


 

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by: Kathy Sullivan @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 21:55:00 PM CST

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What? All of a sudden you hear (0.00 / 0)

the sound of your own voice saying "November."

Ralph!

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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by: Jack Mitchell @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 22:47:02 PM CST

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Reagan, Reagan, Reagan (4.00 / 2)

Nobody is curious about the hedging on the election of 1800 by supporting both Adams and Jefferson?

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by: Alex Gallichon @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 23:45:25 PM CST

it was a double sleazer (0.00 / 0)

1800, was the first real Presedetial election, as dirty an election as we've seen since. Jefferson paid off newspapaer men to libel Adamas, and Adams did his best to defame Jefferson. In their dotage they became corespondents and fast friends. Live long enough you'll see it all. "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear."

for transparency sake ~I represent Union print shops

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by: JonnyBBad @ Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:34:57 AM CST

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