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A word of warning in advance of the UNH Poll

by: Laura Clawson

Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 00:27:02 AM EDT


Sometime in the near future, we can expect to see new polling on the state's congressional races from the UNH survey center. Before those numbers come out, I want to do a little refresher on why no one should take them very seriously.

Short version: UNH polls have serious sampling problems. Specifically (at a minimum), partisan identification fluctuates so wildly that looking at trend lines is misleading. The UNH poll in January is different from the UNH poll in April which may well turn out to be different from the UNH poll in July. Not garden-variety, all-polling-contains-some-error different. Apples and oranges different.

Long version: Back in May, I wrote a diary about the recent record of this poll, and specifically about these sampling problems. Rather than excerpt the entire diary, I'm bumping it to directly below this post.

But here I want to get back to the core problem, so I will repeat my excerpt from DavidNYC at noted national horserace blog Swing State Project.

Democrat: 23% (25%)
Republican: 32% (22%)
Independent: 38% (43%)
Unregistered: 7% (10%)

I think that just about explains things: The current sample has 10% more Republicans than the prior poll. While I'm aware that party ID among independents tends to shift with the political winds, there's been nothing to suggest that even so much as a gentle zephyr has been blowing in the GOP's direction in New Hampshire over the last twelve weeks. What's more, if Bush's favorability shows an increase comparable to Bass's, that would make him more popular in blue New Hampshire than in the nation as a whole - and more popular than he's been in the state since January.

So, what's been going on with the sample in recent UNH polls? Let's look a take at the first district, where Carol Shea-Porter's popularity apparently took a pretty striking nosedive between January and April. At least, in Andy Smith's sample, which it must be understood is distinct from reality.

With first-district samples of 267 in January and 251 in April, here's how partisan identification broke down:

                         1/08      4/08
Democrat        37%       26%    
Republican     27%        26%
Undeclared     28%        42%
Not registered   8%       6%

Basically, we're to believe that Democrats took an 11-point tumble while Republicans held just about steady and undeclareds skyrocketed. I can believe that in the wake of the primary, a few people who had voted for one party reverted to identifying as undeclared. But this sample strains credulity to a truly insulting degree, relying on reporters not to read closely enough to see what's going on (whether it be grounded in sloppiness or intentional manipulation).

I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to find out the partisan distribution of the upcoming poll. Anyone got any bets?

Update: A quick gander at the numbers of likely voters in the presidential poll released today showing Obama up by just 3 points, in contrast to other recent polling, shows this partisan breakdown:

Democrats 25%
Republicans 28%
Undeclared 40%

Presumably this is just a subset of the sample being used for the downballot races, which won't be screened for likely voters, but if it's a sign of things to come, color me excited.

And a reminder:  50,000 more people voted Democratic in the NH presidential primary than voted Republican this year.  

Laura Clawson :: A word of warning in advance of the UNH Poll
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I can believe that in the wake of the primary, a few people who had voted for one party reverted to identifying as undeclared.

Probably not. You can be a) Undeclared and get polled as such; b) take a Dem ballot on primary day and thereby be registered as Dem; c) Re-register as Undeclared when you leave the polling station; then d) get polled as Undeclared again.

But if you were registered as Dem or Republican before the primary, you cannot "undeclare" at the polling place. So, either you go to City Hall, or you stay in the Party.

The movement would be in the reverse direction. Some people would have been Undeclared, taken a Red or Blue primary ballot, and stayed in the party.

So Smith's numbers look a bit worse than you suggest.


Yeah, I was trying to give (4.00 / 1)
the maximum benefit of the doubt, and also thinking about people who might have remained registered to a party but reverted to thinking of themselves and therefore identifying themselves to pollsters as undeclared.

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The polling certainly conflicts with what we're (0.00 / 0)
witnessing on the ground here in Central New Hampshire.  The Obama Fellow and volunteers have been actively canvassing in the Lakes Region, targeting Undeclared voters and voters who have historically voted Republican but selected a Democratic ballot in this year's presidential primary. According to one source, eight out of ten of the targeted voters are planning to vote for Obama.  Moreover, their frustration with the GOP is as pointed, if not more so than in 2006.

The enthusiasm level for Democrats is very high. Carole King's campaign trip through the Granite State last week attracted a solid base of "fired up" supporters.  You can see some photos of her visits to Laconia, North Conway and Wolfeboro at http://www.laconiademocrats.or...


Thanks, Laura! (0.00 / 0)
I noted my reservations with Andy Smith's polls in Dean's previous diary, but this is much more enlightning.

Yes. Not just sample size, (0.00 / 0)
but more importantly, it appears, varying party ID fluctuations within those samples.

This is why I'm always happy to see a Laura polling diary, since teh math for me is on par with the only engineer in the senate.

Wonder if Sununu's fired now.


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size matters ! n/t (0.00 / 0)


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   Dorothy Parker


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Good Points All... (4.00 / 1)
...and what those "expert pollsters" keep missing this year, and what polls really cannot measure (other than asking the generic question, "Do you plan to vote in November," to which most registered voters receiving a phone call in July will answer "Yes") are the motivating factors for voters to go to vote in November.

Iraq, Iran, health care, the need for real change, gas prices, corporate ripoffs, low wages -- all are motivating factors with the Democrats and Independents who will vote Democrat.

I'll stick with my expectation that we'll see Democrats win all the major races, including Paul Hodes and Carol Shea-Porter winning, plus the election of Jeanne Shaheen, 19 State Senate Democrats, and 262 House Democrats.  

The Republicans have little going for them except to try to strike fear in the hearts of the voters that Democrats will spend and tax, which these past two years have proved is not true.  Politicans can only use fear as a motivator for so long.  

Of course, 2010 might be a different story, so Democrats will have a lot to do beginning next January to deliver on that "change."    


The long awaited cell phone problem? (0.00 / 0)
For the last several election cycles observers have been warning that the polling practice of not calling cell phones can skew the sample. (It's expensive and difficult to include them.) But so far the poll results have held up about as well as they did historically.

The more people we have abandoning landlines, and the more they are different in voting behavior than the landline crowd, the worse the polls will work.

Smith is presumably working pretty hard to get a fair sample. Nonetheless he mis-samples by party ID:

Dem Rep Ind
Registrations 30.5 31.1 38.3
UNH Poll 27.0 30.2 42.9

Note: These are the shares of the 441 registered voters. There were another 30 unregistered but likely voters.


I bet the other results will be odd too... (0.00 / 0)
We should expect odd numbers in the other four major races as well. But we will see...

I have not spoken to single person who believes that Obama is not considerably stronger in the 2nd CD than what the poll shows.


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