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Cloud Hampshire, And How!

by: RealNRH

Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 22:07:03 PM EDT


( - promoted by Jennifer Daler)

In the latest entry in an ongoing series, the UNH Survey Center has some very funky numbers in their latest polling (all slanting to Ayotte's advantage, of course). Their sample size and poll composition tell one story: They're still living in Cloud Hampshire.

Specifics below the fold.

RealNRH :: Cloud Hampshire, And How!
First off, sample size. Five hundred fourteen total respondents to the poll gives an MoE of 4.3 percent, but they then threw out 44 of those responses to get a 'likely voter' universe of 472, with a high MoE of 4.5. They proceed to give the 'likely voter' and 'unlikely voter' breakdowns for favorability ratings, but not head-to-heads... but in their 'likely voter' universe, they still have nearly a quarter of their sample reporting that they are 'somewhat or not at all interested' in the election. Apparently "I'm not interested in the election" isn't a qualifying factor in being 'likely' to vote.

Second, age composition. Out of 466 'likely' respondents, 38 (only 8% of the sample) were in the 18-34 range - but out of 514 total respondents to the favorability question, 48 were in that age range, which was Hodes' most favorable age contingent (with, of course, the astronomical MoE that comes with a sample size of 38). By comparison, the 2004 elections had 13.9% of the electorate in the 18-29 range - six percent higher than the UNH estimate despite having 5 fewer years in that age range. Yeah, if the youth vote drops off by almost 50%, you see declining numbers for Democrats. And to compound the issue, UNH explicitly threw out over a fifth of their 'youth vote' from their likely voter model.

Third, medium. Telephone poll, no cell phones, worth 2 or 3 points of skew to the right already, as has been documented elsewhere.

Fourth, date range. September 23rd through September 29th? This poll was taken over that long a date range? That's huge. And that also says they got through under a hundred responses a day. How long was this poll? How many people did they call before they got their five hundred people willing to sit through the entire thing?

Fifth, partisan composition. I don't know if anyone's told UNH this, but Democrats passed Republicans in registration a few years back. If you have 22.5% Democrats and 28.5% Republicans in a state that actually shows a Democratic edge in registrations, your composition is skewed. In the 514 total respondents, they still had these numbers (3 more Republicans and 6 more Democrats), so it's not the likely voter screen accounting for the skewed sample.

Sixth, geography. According to this poll, more people in Representative Hodes' district know never-elected Kelly Ayotte than know him. The North Country loves them some Benson appointee. Manchester alone is providing a 2-1 margin.

Seventh, union membership. According to this survey, union membership has no impact on voting, despite all the elections before this one when it's had a significant lean.

Eighth, other recent polling. PPP had the race at 4; right-wing Ras had it at barely half the lead UNH is claiming; even the openly partisan ARG had a smaller lead than this is claiming. And back in 2008, let's not forget, UNH had Obama winning the NH presidential primary by 10, a miss by 13 points in a high-turnout affair, and at a similar point in the Senate race that year, had Jeanne Shaheen up by 4 in a race she eventually won by 10, and consistently had the lowest Shaheen lead of any pollster (save for a single bizarre Rasmussen poll).

Basically, the long and short of it is, this poll has some exceedingly large irregularities that make me doubt its utility. I can accept that, accounting for the oddities, yes, it probably does still show Ayotte ahead. But take about four points for the partisan composition, another 2 for missing cell-only voters, another 3 for being so off on the youth percentage and you might have something a little more like what you could reasonably expect to see on election day. And with that high uncertainty, at that point it's well within the MoE, same as Ras and PPP both reported in their last polls of this race.

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Oh, and... (4.00 / 2)
Let's not forget that UNH staked John McCain to a 2-point lead at this point in 2008. Then in overlapping polls in late October gave Barack Obama leads of 16 and 25 points. Their numbers were wildly off in both directions; the end result was Obama by 9.6%.

Only the left protects anyone's rights.

And another! (4.00 / 2)
The congressional results. These ones come with an even larger grain of salt - they feature an astronomical 6.0% margin of error, have all the same problems as the senate survey, claim that Frank Guinta is leading Carol Shea-Porter by 21 among union households and only 8 among non-union households while Bass is leading Kuster by 10 among union households and 4 among non-union households, and predicts that 7.7% of the 2nd district voter universe will be in the 18-34 cohort. They also have a 55% male voting population in the 2nd, giving Bass a 20-point lead in that subgroup, and only 45% female, giving Kuster a 15-point lead.

Let's see... give men a 10% turnout advantage, give Republicans a six-point edge over their registration, cell phones excluded, and under 8% of the voters are 'young' - and still Bass is within 5? With the problems in this poll, I frankly feel like Ann Kuster is probably leading.  

Only the left protects anyone's rights.


union buster Guinta (4.00 / 2)
who supports Right to Work laws is leading CSP in union households? Does Andy Smith take hallucinogens before he makes up this shit?  

sanctimonious purist/professional lefty

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Ugh (4.00 / 1)
I saw that MOE earlier and was downright pissed. How can any credible news organization report as fact a poll of 292 people???

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Great takedown. (4.00 / 1)
Thank you for doing this.

birch, finch, beech

Charlie Cook says (4.00 / 2)
in a recent article in The National Journal:

My view is that most academic polling, as well as the polling sponsored by local television stations and newspapers, is dime-store junk.

The far more sophisticated polling is done by top-notch professional polling firms for campaigns, parties and major business and labor organizations. These polls are considerably more expensive and the methodology is more rigorous.

Most of these surveys are not made public, but insiders can be made aware of them. While even the most experienced and contentious political pollsters have more challenges than a generation ago, their work is still far superior and reliable.

The end result is that you have two separate conversations about these political races: one that is driven by the publicly available, but less reliable, stock of polls and the other made by the black market of high-quality and more expensive surveys done for private clients, including the campaigns themselves.



Exactly.... n/t (0.00 / 0)


2012 starts today.

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What does Bass' polling show? (0.00 / 0)
Wait, don't tell me, I think I know. Let's see, he's an established candidate with high name recognition running against someone making her first high-profile bid for office... and he's resorted to all-out attack ads.

Hmmm... apparently, being Good Ol' Charlie Bass isn't cutting the mustard. I'd guess that his private polls are not nearly as heartening as the UNH survey.  


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This doesn't seem like a very good poll (0.00 / 0)
but it does mark 23 straight with Ayotte over Hodes.

As a conservative, the Kuster-Bass margin is pretty scary.  


How so? (0.00 / 0)
Is Bass what you call a "fiscal conservative?"

No fibbing. Spin, a little, if you must.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?


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Yes, he is (0.00 / 0)
and I'm obviously not a Kuster guy.
And Charlie was supposedly up 18% a while ago, and now is up only 5%. That's a big drop - and a fast one.

Part of my argument for  Giuda all along was that this is not an anti-Democratic year, it is an anti-Washington year. And putting up a six-term congressman as a nominee is dangerous. That danger is pretty obvious right now.  


DD, Is Charlie Bass a "fiscal conservative?" n/t (0.00 / 0)


Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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That depends. . . . (4.00 / 2)
If you're talking about student loans for young people, environmental protection funding, money to subsidize heating costs for the elderly, or health care for the working poor, then Charlie Bass is a fiscal conservative.

If you're talking about allowing billionaires and corporations that move overseas to avoid paying taxes, funding for Bush's failed Iraq War strategy, or hiking his own salary in era of out-of-control budget deficits, then Charlie Bass is most definitely NOT a fiscal conservative.


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Thought so. ;v) n/t (0.00 / 0)


Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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Bass IS the incumbent in this race (4.00 / 1)
NH-02 retired him once. I'm sure they have moved on.

Whack-a-mole, anyone?

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Well said, DD (0.00 / 0)
But he was a tax-cutter first and foremost, and was on the budget committee that passed the last balanced budget in U.S. History.

Not so much, Chris (4.00 / 1)
Charlie was also on the House Budget Committee when it squandered that surplus on tax cuts for the wealthiest of all Americans.  And he never stood up and said, "We must pay for these tax cuts so that our children and grandchildren don't have to do so."  He never even tried.

Of course, Bill Clinton (the architect of said balanced budget) wasn't in the White House then.  Charlie's personal choice, George W. Bush, was setting economic policy.  Far be it for Bass to question his leader.

On March 2, 2001, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan testified before Bass and his fellow committee members.  When Charlie's turn at the microphone came, he turned to Greenspan and asked:

"If you were economic emperor for a day, and some might say you already are, would you agree with the president that his tax cut is just about right?"

Charlie Bass had an opportunity to demand fiscal responsibility, and he failed miserably.  Now it's Ann Kuster's turn.


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